9-3

[GoodForAnother]

sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! 

yeah really good point GFA

thanks

[Mixed-Nutz]

We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.

[Dr Rick Daris]

being a 9-3ish team every year would be pretty great because every one in a while, the stars will align and we would be much better (2012) and have a chance for greatness. but i agree that things seem a little boring/stagnent and don't see them getting better the next few years. it's a bummer.

[The Big Train]

We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.

everytime i think of cosh i always remember this beautiful piece of work

[Trim]

I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska

i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.

They weren't okay with knowing they would never seriously compete for a championship with that coach, I really don't know how you could find fault with that. You want to win 8-10 games every year but not have a legit shot at being the best, fine but that's not for me. I haven't invested all this time and mo

I wonder how many people good with this also made fun of Nebraska

i made fun of them for firing a coach who perpetually went 9-3.

They weren't okay with knowing they would never seriously compete for a championship with that coach, I really don't know how you could find fault with that. You want to win 8-10 games every year but not have a legit shot at being the best, fine but that's not for me. I haven't invested all this time and money into this program to be cool with taking a backseat to freaking Baylor.

Obviously I never post, so that probably discounts my opinion. And MIR's a racist, but he's spot on here...

ney into this program to be cool with taking a backseat to freaking Baylor.

Obviously I never post, so that probably discounts my opinion. And MIR's a racist, but he's spot on here...

[Benja]

sealing and ceiling sound exactly the same but look so different! 

yeah really good point GFA

thanks

I mean we were all thinking it.

[Trim]

Season's pretty meh in light of having mortgaged the future for it.  Would've been nice to be something other than the measuring stick for other teams to know if they're contenders or not.

[That_Guy]

I'm tired of our 'Cats coming so close to being at that next level, but not ever getting there. Try and Try, but it's not going to happen.

[Mixed-Nutz]

I don't think this is a good season to judge Bills 2.0 ceiling. We couldn't really effective run the ball this year making it super strange. We also heavily relied walk-ons / former walk-ons. 

I think in the last two years we have had a more of a focus on recruiting more athleticism, I think Baylor has a lot to do with this.

Sometimes I fell like Bill 2.0 is just holding on by a thread tho.

[Benja]

Sometimes I fell like Bill 2.0 is just holding on by a thread tho.

Actually I think we're on super solid footing. I mean, next years team will probably be more athletic than this years and that's been the theme for a few years running now. We also seem to recruit slightly better every year, although that's insanely hard to judge and incremental. But you're never going to hear "5 star qb transfers to k-state" or something like that; nor do we even try to do that. Brown and Harper arrived because of circumstances that were very unlikely and will probably never be seen again at least for a long time. We aren't going to take that home run swing anytime soon; although we will continue to beat the crap out of crappy teams and grind out wins over similarly talented teams with no problem. Which, if you have the right outlook on it, can still be fun.

[420seriouscat69]

9-3 is just killing MIR.

[nicname]

I'm tired of our 'Cats coming so close to being at that next level, but not ever getting there. Try and Try, but it's not going to happen.

They weren't close this season. They were a long way away. 2012 was there before Klein got his bell rung, and before losing it's best defensive player.

98 was there.

2000, 2002 were good enough, but biffed it. 2003, we'll never know what might have been.

I don't think there is another K-State team that was on a championship level. I'll take five or so legitimate shots every 15-20 years in a heartbeat, but they have to be legit. It does stink to have not gotten it done at least once though.

[nicname]

Sometimes I fell like Bill 2.0 is just holding on by a thread tho.

Actually I think we're on super solid footing. I mean, next years team will probably be more athletic than this years and that's been the theme for a few years running now. We also seem to recruit slightly better every year, although that's insanely hard to judge and incremental. But you're never going to hear "5 star qb transfers to k-state" or something like that; nor do we even try to do that. Brown and Harper arrived because of circumstances that were very unlikely and will probably never be seen again at least for a long time. We aren't going to take that home run swing anytime soon; although we will continue to beat the crap out of crappy teams and grind out wins over similarly talented teams with no problem. Which, if you have the right outlook on it, can still be fun.

I don't agree with this. The day K-State stops trying for the best kids in Kansas is the day you can close the book on ever having another real shot. Harper would have come to K-State if Franklin had stuck around, but Prince screwed up that relationship.

I have to think that Snyder, with good recruiters on staff might have gotten those guys. I could be completely wrong, as I'm pulling this out of my ass.

[CHONGS]

I don't think 9-3 is the ceiling.  I think the ceiling is 11-1 and the floor is 5-6.  I don't think KSU will ever run the table again with this style of defense / lack of talent on defense. I suppose that is sad because that essentially means KSU will likely never make the playoffs, but you never know.  I think its tough to sell a BS slippery slope argument when KSU fired Prince after 2.5 years and pushed Bill 1.0 out the door after two bad seasons. 

[kso_FAN]

I don't think 9-3 is the ceiling.  I think the ceiling is 11-1 and the floor is 5-6.  I don't think KSU will ever run the table again with this style of defense / lack of talent on defense. I suppose that is sad because that essentially means KSU will likely never make the playoffs, but you never know.  I think its tough to sell a BS slippery slope argument when KSU fired Prince after 2.5 years and pushed Bill 1.0 out the door after two bad seasons. 

I agree with that.

The key difference between this team and 12 was that our defense didn't force TOs this year. Our offense tried to make up for it by rarely turning it over, but it wasn't enough. 14 also had a more prolific scoring offense (those points per play don't include special teams). This team also played a pretty tough schedule comparatively.

The real disappointment of this season was not winning the very winnable game against Auburn and that was mainly on the offense/STs because we got a great performance by the defense in that one.

[Shooter Jones]

I don't think 9-3 is the ceiling.  I think the ceiling is 11-1 and the floor is 5-6.  I don't think KSU will ever run the table again with this style of defense / lack of talent on defense. I suppose that is sad because that essentially means KSU will likely never make the playoffs, but you never know.  I think its tough to sell a BS slippery slope argument when KSU fired Prince after 2.5 years and pushed Bill 1.0 out the door after two bad seasons.

i think we'll see the playoff move to 8 teams, with 5 auto-bids way sooner than people think. which would be good for the cats making the playoff, not good for the cats winning 3 huge games in a row to win a natty.

[Cartierfor3]

We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.

I read the last sentence with an Italian accent.

[kso_FAN]

We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.

I read the last sentence with an Italian accent.

Even more funny for me since we now have an Italian exchange student in our home.

[Cartierfor3]

Man that 02 team was so awesome. Sucks we didn't even get to play in the Big XII championship game.

[Yard Dog]

We pushed Cosh out. We changed our recruiting tactics two years ago. I don't think we a done adapting.

More on this please. TIA

[kso_FAN]

Man that 02 team was so awesome. Sucks we didn't even get to play in the Big XII championship game.

Yeah, the 2 losses were disappointing. Roberson was still developing as a passer and that costs us in the CU and UT games. He only completed 38.7% of his passes in those 2 games at 6.1 yards per attempt. Once he got more accurate as a passer, especially on deep balls because teams loaded up to stop the run, we became really explosive on offense.

[Skipper44]

1997 was remarkably talented but young, the roster was better top to bottom than all but 98, 02 and maybe 99 and 00.  The lack of depth we hand in 03 and 12 is really regrettable.

[XocolateThundarr]

I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off.  This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment.  Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up.  Just my opinion.

[kso_FAN]

I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off.  This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment.  Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up.  Just my opinion.

Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.

[michigancat]

I'm just horribly disappointed that the Cats had a shot to win the conference and didn't pull it off.  This type of season should instill a hunger for greater success and not a feeling of accomplishment.  Whether valid or not, I get the feeling that most fans and staff are content with how things ended up.  Just my opinion.

Why can't you have the feeling of both? You can still have some clear disappointments yet still feel you accomplished quite a bit at the same time. I don't think the two are mutually exclusive. JMHO.

Yeah. You can be disappointed in the results and acknowledge mistakes were made and at the same time not want anyone fired or anything like that. Do you want someone fired, XocolateThundarr?