Chingon fixes college football

[CHONGS]

8 teams

Champs from the Power 5
Highest ranked team from non-Power 5
Two wildcard (two highest ranked remaining teams, but they both cannot be from the same conference)

This means the most a conference can get into the playoffs is 2 teams. Everyone gets a chance. I don't care if this means a Marshall-ish team gets in, if a power 5 team wanted in they should have won their conference.

This above is the recipe for a proper playoff in college football.

[Stevesie60]

Agreed. /thread

[Shooter Jones]

will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.

[Skipper44]

8 teams

Champs from the Power 5
Highest ranked team from non-Power 5
Two wildcard (two highest ranked remaining teams, but they both cannot be from the same conference)

This means the most a conference can get into the playoffs is 2 teams. Everyone gets a chance. I don't care if this means a Marshall-ish team gets in, if a power 5 team wanted in they should have won their conference.

This above is the recipe for a proper playoff in college football.

if we can just get a couple of upsets in the SEC over the next few weeks we might get something similar to this next year

[CHONGS]

will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.

Disagree.  There will be specific venues ready for which conference has the higher seed.  For example if the Big 12 champ is the higher seed, the game is played in Cowboy stadium, if the SEC it's Atlanta, ACC it's Jacksonville, Big Ten it's Indianapolis, Pac 12 it's Rose Bowl.  If the higher seed is a non Power 5 (like ND) then the game will be played at the pre-determined flex-location (let's say tied with a bowl so Fiesta).

[sonofdaxjones]

Groundbreaking, no one has suggested this until . . . now   

[Shooter Jones]

will agree if confirmed first round is home game for higher seed.

Disagree.  There will be specific venues ready for which conference has the higher seed.  For example if the Big 12 champ is the higher seed, the game is played in Cowboy stadium, if the SEC it's Atlanta, ACC it's Jacksonville, Big Ten it's Indianapolis, Pac 12 it's Rose Bowl.  If the higher seed is a non Power 5 (like ND) then the game will be played at the pre-determined flex-location (let's say tied with a bowl so Fiesta).

i'm out. dumb idea.

[michigancat]

great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.

[CHONGS]

I don't think it's that groundbreaking (especially the 8 teams, confy champ stuff).  I don't think I've seen the reservation of a spot for the highest ranked non P5 team and two wildcards based only on ranking that have to be from different conferences.  Or the fixed venues.

[CHONGS]

great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.

no problem guys, it's what I do: fix things. anything else wrong with cfb I can fix (I am changing the thread name to reflect this)?

[michigancat]

great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.

no problem guys, it's what I do: fix things. anything else wrong with cfb I can fix (I am changing the thread name to reflect this)?

how about the problem of preseason polls? I don't think they're "fair", but they affect the end-of-season polls.

[_33]

I don't think we should go to 8 teams.  It extends the season too long.  4 is enough.  However I would be in favor of 8 teams being voted on my a committee at the end of the season and those 8 teams have a chance to get into the playoff.  You seed the 8 teams and they play for the "right" to get into the 4 team playoff with the winners getting in.  This way you keep the playoff at 4 teams but also make sure that you get the 4 best.   

[michigancat]

I don't think we should go to 8 teams.  It extends the season too long.  4 is enough.  However I would be in favor of 8 teams being voted on my a committee at the end of the season and those 8 teams have a chance to get into the playoff.  You seed the 8 teams and they play for the "right" to get into the 4 team playoff with the winners getting in.  This way you keep the playoff at 4 teams but also make sure that you get the 4 best.   

There are currently like 8 weeks between the last game and bowls

[Cartierfor3]

Questions:

Chings doesn't 3 neutral site games seem like a lot for the 2 that make the 'ship?

Can we then just ban altogether playing FCS teams? I'm getting tired of that. Especially these November SEC games. There's no reason for Alabama to be playing West Carolina this weekend.

Basically, I'd like SOME form of universal schedule requirements across college football. Like, no more FCS teams.

Clock stopping on 1st down is kinda pointless. Let's get rid of it.

[CHONGS]

great fix, chings. thanks for taking the time.

no problem guys, it's what I do: fix things. anything else wrong with cfb I can fix (I am changing the thread name to reflect this)?

how about the problem of preseason polls? I don't think they're "fair", but they affect the end-of-season polls.

Well (for one) the rankings discussed in the playoff fix will be similar to the cfp poll now (determined by a committee so not AP, coaches, etc.), and will not be released until all P5 teams have played 2 conference games. For the rankings, the committee will go through two cycles. 

Cycle 1: they get only objective statistics (which ones? the committee will decide before the season which set, but it will be the common sense ones like wins, losses, points scored, points allowed, yards, hopefully possesion based stats as well, but NO stats that claim to adjust for strength of schedule or are based on anything other than box score information). Team names are anonymized. So, for example, you would get KSU's stats but it would say this is "Team 34"s stats (this ID number would change every week so a committee member can't remember that TCU is "Team 12").  Each committee member submits their rankings and the results get combined.  This will be the baseline rankings and team names will get re-attached.

Cycle 2: using the baseline rankings, the entire committee debates and adjusts to seed the top 32 teams.  Here "eyeball" tests and strength of schedule can be argued, but arguments should still be grounded on the data from the baseline rankings.   The top 25 is released.  This is the ranking used to seed the playoffs.

As for the AP and coaches, well you can't stop people from making polls so you let them. 

[EMAWzified]

They should have two sites for the first-round games.

[_33]

I don't think we should go to 8 teams.  It extends the season too long.  4 is enough.  However I would be in favor of 8 teams being voted on my a committee at the end of the season and those 8 teams have a chance to get into the playoff.  You seed the 8 teams and they play for the "right" to get into the 4 team playoff with the winners getting in.  This way you keep the playoff at 4 teams but also make sure that you get the 4 best.   

There are currently like 8 weeks between the last game and bowls

Yeah.

[Cartierfor3]

They should have two sites for the first-round games.

Like, a saturday and sunday game or whatever at 2 different venues? So Atlanta hosts 2 games, and houston does too or whatever?

[EMAWzified]

They should have two sites for the first-round games.

Like, a saturday and sunday game or whatever at 2 different venues? So Atlanta hosts 2 games, and houston does too or whatever?

But maybe Friday and Saturday to reduce the advantage of those teams in the early game.

[CHONGS]

Questions:

Chings doesn't 3 neutral site games seem like a lot for the 2 that make the 'ship?

Can we then just ban altogether playing FCS teams? I'm getting tired of that. Especially these November SEC games. There's no reason for Alabama to be playing West Carolina this weekend.

Basically, I'd like SOME form of universal schedule requirements across college football. Like, no more FCS teams.

Clock stopping on 1st down is kinda pointless. Let's get rid of it.

Not really IMHO.  If you are really good enough to win a champ then home field shouldn't be that important. Plus, if you are the higher ranked team you will get to play pretty damn close to your fanbase.

Schedule requirements?  Team should be able to schedule games in any order they see fit. Must play at least 11 FBS teams.  In order to remain a P5 conference all of your members must play at least 1 P5 team ooc.

[Cartierfor3]

What about moving to the NFL rule, not down unless someone touches you?

I don't love college overtime. Chings, does it need fixing or is it ok?

There are too many reviews. This needs fixing.

Should all P5 have to have a conference 'ship game?

Chings good work so far but pls fix the stuff above if you have a chance.

[CHONGS]

What about moving to the NFL rule, not down unless someone touches you?

I don't love college overtime. Chings, does it need fixing or is it ok?

There are too many reviews. This needs fixing.

Should all P5 have to have a conference 'ship game?

Chings good work so far but pls fix the stuff above if you have a chance.

Oh clock stays stopped on a first down. (rule stays the same, doesn't need fixing)

Nope, you are down when your knee (et al) are down. (rule stays the same, doesn't need fixing)

Review are fine, work to speed up the process as well as log the process. (perhaps at the end of the game, justifications for the review decisions are made public [based on the log])

No, as long as you play everyone in your conference you do not need a 'ship game.

[Cartierfor3]

Man this is great. I know where I go next time I see an issue

[joda]

There's plenty of time for 3 rounds. Give a week off after the final week, play rounds 1 & 2, another week off then the championship game is still the same week it currently is.

First round rotated regionally, 1 NE, 1 SE, 1 MW, 1 West, highest ranked teams sent to the closest location bball tourney style. 2nd round and championship run in the same way they are now.

[TownieCat]

How many fans do you think will make 3 cross country trips in a month to watch their team play 3 neutral site games? Not many. And in the case of the conferences with championship games you'd be asking those fans to make 4 trips. It only works if the first game is on campus.