Are we talking about this?

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Snyder got better PR/approval from the #FAMILY here in his 3-minute hypocritical speech than Currie's gotten from his last 100 email'd letters combined.  Well played, OBz.

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the Dax Ax

THE DAXE.

[michigancat]

things as complex as turning around a football program can't be solely done by one man or one event. It takes a lot of work from a lot of people to make it happen. I mean, Snyder's obviously a great coach, but we also invested a lot of money relative to the non-NU/OU of the Big 8 at the time and I don't think coordinators normally got jobs at the Big 8 level at that time. I think that's dax's point, and it's valid.

[MakeItRain]

Lots of tucks outed on this day.

[sonofdaxjones]

The whole argument in general is completely asinine. We all work/live in systems that are defined by parameters established by others. So, if we disagree with the parameters, should we stop trying to do as well for ourselves as we're able? That's completely contradictory to human nature. Don't be a dumbass, Dax.

Um, given the amount of control that LHC LHC Bill Snyder was given, I mean hell, one could likely make a strong case that at least for a few years Bill and his buddy Jon ran the athletic department.   So one could then easily make a case that LHC LHC Bill Snyder established the parameters, at least insofar as K-State goes.

Sorry I missed this earlier.   

Also, quite an expansive reach that I am in some way implying that people should quit trying to do well for themselves if they disagree with the parameters that they work with in.   But we are, at least in this case, talking about an individual who makes 70 times the average individual annual income in the United States to coach a college football team at a public, non profit university.   Again, I have no problem with what Snyder makes, hell pay him what he's supposedly worth according to some on here.   Just don't start talking about "selling out" now, and lamenting all the money you make and the plight of the poor professors on campus when you've been making 7 figures coaching football for over a decade and have set you and your family up for life coaching football . . . at a public, non-profit university. 

 

[MakeItRain]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer. But it's worth noting that these days guys who are coordinators at the same BCS school for 9 years don't randomly get snatched up to be a head coach at another BCS school. Nine years is a ridiculously long time to be a coordinator at one school without getting another job.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer.

you don't honestly believe this do you? i mean, iowa won two big 10 championships with snyder as an offensive coordinator.

[MakeItRain]

My biggest issue with the Snyder comments is that the three biggest beneficiaries of the explosion of tv money are seen in:
1. Coaching salaries
2. Fan amenities
3. Player amenities

With this being said, what the hell is he complaining about? It's not like athletic directors are hoarding this money for themselves. It's literally been better for everyone and this is amazingly evident at Kansas State.

[michigancat]

My biggest issue with the Snyder comments is that the three biggest beneficiaries of the explosion of tv money are seen in:
1. Coaching salaries
2. Fan amenities
3. Player amenities

With this being said, what the hell is he complaining about? It's not like athletic directors are hoarding this money for themselves. It's literally been better for everyone and this is amazingly evident at Kansas State.

Also this KSU CaliforniaCat gets to watch basically every game on TV.

[MakeItRain]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer.

you don't honestly believe this do you? i mean, iowa won two big 10 championships with snyder as an offense coordinator.

Yes, I believe that most coordinators who get hired as head coaches don't generally get that chance after 9 years at one school. This isn't a terribly controversial stance I didn't say anything about the legacy of Snyder's time at Iowa.

If you want to have a conversation about what you posted we can do that too. If you want to give Snyder credit for Iowa's conference titles, that's fine with me. I will say that would be moving the goal posts on how we view coordinators though, I don't seem to remember too many Dana Dimel appreciation threads nor too many BCS schools offering him a head coaching position.

[SdK]

oscar was an assistant for a while

[06wildcat]

Remember the state of K-State/CFB when Snyder arranged to move a home game to OU for extra money. Man those were the days.

[Dr Rick Daris]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer.

you don't honestly believe this do you? i mean, iowa won two big 10 championships with snyder as an offense coordinator.

Yes, I believe that most coordinators who get hired as head coaches don't generally get that chance after 9 years at one school. This isn't a terribly controversial stance I didn't say anything about the legacy of Snyder's time at Iowa.

If you want to have a conversation about what you posted we can do that too. If you want to give Snyder credit for Iowa's conference titles, that's fine with me. I will say that would be moving the goal posts on how we view coordinators though, I don't seem to remember too many Dana Dimel appreciation threads nor too many BCS schools offering him a head coaching position.

i mean i suppose we could also talk about the spicy italian sandwich that i just had as well, but i seem to think that we were specifically talking about LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder and ron princes resumes before they were hired to be the head coach at kstate and the fact that you think the only difference was that snyder was once a swim coach and was a coordinator longer.

it struck me odd that someone would say that so i asked if you were being serious. sounds like you were. i'm pretty sure if you put those resumes w/ no names attached and showed them to one hundred random people, one hundred would say that snyders was better. one was an offensive coordiantor for ten years at a big10 school that hadn't had a winning season in twenty years before he got there and then during his time there had a heisman trophy runner up quarterback, won the conference twice, spent half a year ranked #1 in the country and went to a bowl game nine years straight. the other was an o-line coach at james madison, cornell and then then an offensive coordinator for two years at a .500ish ACC school.

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Remember the state of K-State/CFB when Snyder arranged to move a home game to OU for extra money. Man those were the days.

I'm sure a good chunk of that money went towards having a wide array of extra tutors on the bus to norman because education.

[Benja]

did dax just call snyder a two star iowa ditr that kstate coached up?

[Benja]

Look at dax go

[Katpappy]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer. But it's worth noting that these days guys who are coordinators at the same BCS school for 9 years don't randomly get snatched up to be a head coach at another BCS school. Nine years is a ridiculously long time to be a coordinator at one school without getting another job.

So you're saying BV is out of the running???

[Katpappy]

My biggest issue with the Snyder comments is that the three biggest beneficiaries of the explosion of tv money are seen in:
1. Coaching salaries
2. Fan amenities
3. Player amenities

With this being said, what the hell is he complaining about? It's not like athletic directors are hoarding this money for themselves. It's literally been better for everyone and this is amazingly evident at Kansas State.

Also this KSU CaliforniaCat gets to watch basically every game on TV.

Mods please change Michigancat to CaliforniaCat.   
TIA

[TownieCat]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer.

you don't honestly believe this do you? i mean, iowa won two big 10 championships with snyder as an offense coordinator.

Yes, I believe that most coordinators who get hired as head coaches don't generally get that chance after 9 years at one school. This isn't a terribly controversial stance I didn't say anything about the legacy of Snyder's time at Iowa.

If you want to have a conversation about what you posted we can do that too. If you want to give Snyder credit for Iowa's conference titles, that's fine with me. I will say that would be moving the goal posts on how we view coordinators though, I don't seem to remember too many Dana Dimel appreciation threads nor too many BCS schools offering him a head coaching position.

Both Dimel and Miller have had their chance as a HC... Neither did particularly well.

[Katpappy]

Snyder had a way better resume than Prince when hired by KSU, but I'd certainly hate for that to be the test...   

That's just not accurate at all. The only difference in their resumes is that Prince didn't coach swimming and Snyder was a coordinator longer.

you don't honestly believe this do you? i mean, iowa won two big 10 championships with snyder as an offense coordinator.

Yes, I believe that most coordinators who get hired as head coaches don't generally get that chance after 9 years at one school. This isn't a terribly controversial stance I didn't say anything about the legacy of Snyder's time at Iowa.

If you want to have a conversation about what you posted we can do that too. If you want to give Snyder credit for Iowa's conference titles, that's fine with me. I will say that would be moving the goal posts on how we view coordinators though, I don't seem to remember too many Dana Dimel appreciation threads nor too many BCS schools offering him a head coaching position.

Both Dimel and Miller have had their chance as a HC... Neither did particularly well.

Great response, TC!

[ksupamplemousse]

The whole argument in general is completely asinine. We all work/live in systems that are defined by parameters established by others. So, if we disagree with the parameters, should we stop trying to do as well for ourselves as we're able? That's completely contradictory to human nature. Don't be a dumbass, Dax.

Um, given the amount of control that LHC LHC Bill Snyder was given, I mean hell, one could likely make a strong case that at least for a few years Bill and his buddy Jon ran the athletic department.   So one could then easily make a case that LHC LHC Bill Snyder established the parameters, at least insofar as K-State goes.

Sorry I missed this earlier.   

Also, quite an expansive reach that I am in some way implying that people should quit trying to do well for themselves if they disagree with the parameters that they work with in.   But we are, at least in this case, talking about an individual who makes 70 times the average individual annual income in the United States to coach a college football team at a public, non profit university.   Again, I have no problem with what Snyder makes, hell pay him what he's supposedly worth according to some on here.   Just don't start talking about "selling out" now, and lamenting all the money you make and the plight of the poor professors on campus when you've been making 7 figures coaching football for over a decade and have set you and your family up for life coaching football . . . at a public, non-profit university. 

 

Man, I really thought my comment went completely unnoticed. Regardless, I don't have the energy to do this right now. I'm exhausted just reading the last two pages of this thread.

[Katpappy]

The whole argument in general is completely asinine. We all work/live in systems that are defined by parameters established by others. So, if we disagree with the parameters, should we stop trying to do as well for ourselves as we're able? That's completely contradictory to human nature. Don't be a dumbass, Dax.

Um, given the amount of control that LHC LHC Bill Snyder was given, I mean hell, one could likely make a strong case that at least for a few years Bill and his buddy Jon ran the athletic department.   So one could then easily make a case that LHC LHC Bill Snyder established the parameters, at least insofar as K-State goes.

Sorry I missed this earlier.   

Also, quite an expansive reach that I am in some way implying that people should quit trying to do well for themselves if they disagree with the parameters that they work with in.   But we are, at least in this case, talking about an individual who makes 70 times the average individual annual income in the United States to coach a college football team at a public, non profit university.   Again, I have no problem with what Snyder makes, hell pay him what he's supposedly worth according to some on here.   Just don't start talking about "selling out" now, and lamenting all the money you make and the plight of the poor professors on campus when you've been making 7 figures coaching football for over a decade and have set you and your family up for life coaching football . . . at a public, non-profit university. 

 

Man, I really thought my comment went completely unnoticed. Regardless, I don't have the energy to do this right now. I'm exhausted just reading the last two pages of this thread.

Wow, this is just like one of those Pro Rasseling Cage Matches... "and Dax takes another one out."   

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That Thursday night national tv game vs. Auburn is a great opportunity for Bill to rage against the machine.

Maybe refuse to play and cart some desks out to the 50-yard line and hold a 3-hour study hall.

[ksupamplemousse]

[Belvis Noland]

That Thursday night national tv game vs. Auburn is a great opportunity for Bill to rage against the machine.

Maybe refuse to play and cart some desks out to the 50-yard line and hold a 3-hour study hall.

this.  or, he could donate his game check to the Auburn endowment.