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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #125 on: July 29, 2014, 10:19:43 PM »
i'm fine with killing people that purposefully kill other people for no good reason. i mean they're going to die anyway eventually, so just speed up the process and be done with it and move on.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #126 on: July 29, 2014, 10:21:01 PM »
i'm fine with killing people that purposefully kill other people for no good reason. i mean they're going to die anyway eventually, so just speed up the process and be done with it and move on.

We're all gonna die eventually.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #127 on: July 29, 2014, 10:23:28 PM »
There's probably like, never been a case where an innocent man has been put to death right?

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #128 on: July 29, 2014, 10:28:12 PM »
And in this particular case, why the eff didn't they get separate trials? It's why the executions were overturned and could at least show one brother did more or threatened the other or something.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #129 on: July 29, 2014, 10:36:25 PM »
i'm fine with killing people that purposefully kill other people for no good reason. i mean they're going to die anyway eventually, so just speed up the process and be done with it and move on.

We're all gonna die eventually.

i mean i guess my way would mean that some future burglar would lose out on the opportunity to get paired up with a 64 year old carr brother in the jail book buddy system but those are the breaks i guess.  :dunno:
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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #130 on: July 29, 2014, 10:39:01 PM »
i'm fine with killing people that purposefully kill other people for no good reason. i mean they're going to die anyway eventually, so just speed up the process and be done with it and move on.

We're all gonna die eventually.

i mean i guess my way would mean that some future burglar would loose out on the opportunity to get paired up with a 64 year old carr brother in the jail book buddy system but those are the breaks i guess.  :dunno:

the burglar mentoring program really isn't as important to me as having a government that can say it is above killing people.  I think that's something worth striving for, no? (Although the prison buddy idea is nice)

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #131 on: July 29, 2014, 10:41:14 PM »


i'm fine with killing people that purposefully kill other people for no good reason. i mean they're going to die anyway eventually, so just speed up the process and be done with it and move on.

We're all gonna die eventually.

i mean i guess my way would mean that some future burglar would loose out on the opportunity to get paired up with a 64 year old carr brother in the jail book buddy system but those are the breaks i guess.  :dunno:

the burglar mentoring program really isn't as important to me as having a government that can say it is above killing people.  I think that's something worth striving for, no? (Although the prison buddy idea is nice)

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #132 on: July 29, 2014, 10:46:43 PM »
And in this particular case, why the eff didn't they get separate trials? It's why the executions were overturned and could at least show one brother did more or threatened the other or something.
It was because they didn't separate trials at the sentencing phase, IIRC.

Also, they don't separate trials because they're supposedly way less efficient.  I didn't read the entire 450 page opinion, but in a case like this, where the crimes are so closely linked together, it makes no sense to separate the trials (at least before sentencing -- i've never read about the purpose of having separate sentences).  If they separated the trials, I'd imagine the evidence presented at each trial would be virtually identical.   


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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #133 on: July 29, 2014, 10:50:57 PM »
What does any prison sentence or punishment accomplish other than punishing the individual and act as a deterrent to acts society has determined to be socially unacceptable? The argument that "killing" is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong, is a shallow and mindless argument, at best intellectually dishonest. Locking someone up against their will (kidnapping) is also wrong and a crime, but i haven't seen this used as a rationale to do away with prison. This pathetic analogy places the criminal justice system in the shoes of the criminal and the criminal in the shoes of the victim; it's perverted and idiotic, and I'll not have it in this thread.

Maybe in progressive utopia every piece of crap degenerate rapist murderer can be rehabbed and brought back into the world to cure cancer.  Here in real life, 5 people (and a dog, lol), through no fault of their own, were tortured, raped and executed in the most demeaning way imaginable by two depraved heart psychopaths. Justice would seem to afford these two people the most ungodly, abhorrent death imaginable. Instead we've got a collection of nitwit ne'erdowells babbling about PBS and whether or not killing is moral. Get the eff out of here.

There has to be a way to remove the criminal from the rest of society. If somebody could come up with a method more humane than imprisonment, I would be all for it. In the meantime, our prison system sucks and it wouldn't be that hard to make it better. It's just unfortunate that a large segment of society looks at prison purely from a punishment perspective and don't even see the prisoners as human.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #134 on: July 29, 2014, 10:56:36 PM »
What does any prison sentence or punishment accomplish other than punishing the individual and act as a deterrent to acts society has determined to be socially unacceptable? The argument that "killing" is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong, is a shallow and mindless argument, at best intellectually dishonest. Locking someone up against their will (kidnapping) is also wrong and a crime, but i haven't seen this used as a rationale to do away with prison. This pathetic analogy places the criminal justice system in the shoes of the criminal and the criminal in the shoes of the victim; it's perverted and idiotic, and I'll not have it in this thread.

Maybe in progressive utopia every piece of crap degenerate rapist murderer can be rehabbed and brought back into the world to cure cancer.  Here in real life, 5 people (and a dog, lol), through no fault of their own, were tortured, raped and executed in the most demeaning way imaginable by two depraved heart psychopaths. Justice would seem to afford these two people the most ungodly, abhorrent death imaginable. Instead we've got a collection of nitwit ne'erdowells babbling about PBS and whether or not killing is moral. Get the eff out of here.

There has to be a way to remove the criminal from the rest of society. If somebody could come up with a method more humane than imprisonment, I would be all for it. In the meantime, our prison system sucks and it wouldn't be that hard to make it better. It's just unfortunate that a large segment of society looks at prison purely from a punishment perspective and don't even see the prisoners as human.
I think, not speaking for fsd, but they are separate issues. I would personally be in favor of improved prison system and rehabilitation for offenders.

I do think that rapists, pederasts, and murders significantly lessen what they deserve. Should an burglar, carjacker, drug dealer get raped and beaten up in prison? Hell no.

I just see no issue with people that did not value the lives of others having their lives devalued.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #135 on: July 29, 2014, 10:56:59 PM »
The sooner Michigancat realizes prison isn't the same thing as a voluntary inpatient rehabilitation center, the sooner we can get past this. Prison and capital punishment is punishment for crimes against society. Prison is not a place for counseling and group hugs.
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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #136 on: July 29, 2014, 10:59:03 PM »

I just see no issue with people that did not value the lives of others having their lives devalued.

How is them person tasked with devaluing the lives of those criminals any better from a moral perspective than the criminals?

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #137 on: July 29, 2014, 11:03:21 PM »



I just see no issue with people that did not value the lives of others having their lives devalued.

How is them person tasked with devaluing the lives of those criminals any better from a moral perspective than the criminals?

They wouldn't be. But there are no shortage of people that want to stand their ground, etc. They could fill that spot.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #138 on: July 29, 2014, 11:06:41 PM »
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He got raped, tortured, executed, then run over by truck. We should forgive the Carr brothers.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #139 on: July 29, 2014, 11:13:23 PM »
What does any prison sentence or punishment accomplish other than punishing the individual and act as a deterrent to acts society has determined to be socially unacceptable? The argument that "killing" is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong, is a shallow and mindless argument, at best intellectually dishonest. Locking someone up against their will (kidnapping) is also wrong and a crime, but i haven't seen this used as a rationale to do away with prison. This pathetic analogy places the criminal justice system in the shoes of the criminal and the criminal in the shoes of the victim; it's perverted and idiotic, and I'll not have it in this thread.

Maybe in progressive utopia every piece of crap degenerate rapist murderer can be rehabbed and brought back into the world to cure cancer.  Here in real life, 5 people (and a dog, lol), through no fault of their own, were tortured, raped and executed in the most demeaning way imaginable by two depraved heart psychopaths. Justice would seem to afford these two people the most ungodly, abhorrent death imaginable. Instead we've got a collection of nitwit ne'erdowells babbling about PBS and whether or not killing is moral. Get the eff out of here.

There has to be a way to remove the criminal from the rest of society. If somebody could come up with a method more humane than imprisonment, I would be all for it. In the meantime, our prison system sucks and it wouldn't be that hard to make it better. It's just unfortunate that a large segment of society looks at prison purely from a punishment perspective and don't even see the prisoners as human.

The fact that the criminal is biologically a human is not relevant and as flimsy an argument as "killing peeps is bad".  As a society we have a duty to protect one another from rape, murder and sadistic acts of violence. Since we haven't perfected the crystal ball or the time machine, our only known method is to deter bad acts through threatened and enforced punishment. It would be an absolute failure of society if these two people were allowed back out, intentionally or unintentionally, and they claimed another victim. By ruthlessly and irrationally taking the lives of 5 innocent people, these two have forfeited any right to participate in society.

Committing a crime is not, nor should it ever be, an entitlement to a comfortable life, therapy and a second chance. You just have an extremely perverted and ill informed point of view regarding crime and punishment.







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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #140 on: July 29, 2014, 11:17:37 PM »

I just see no issue with people that did not value the lives of others having their lives devalued.

How is them person tasked with devaluing the lives of those criminals any better from a moral perspective than the criminals?

Another dishonest argument, the executioner is a murderer. Just pathetic.

The warden is a kidnapper and the criminal the kidnapped.
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Re: Carr Bros.
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« Reply #142 on: July 29, 2014, 11:42:56 PM »
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He got raped, tortured, executed, then run over by truck. We should forgive the Carr brothers.

well that choked me up a bit. I went on spring break with befort and seven other guys one year in college. some of, if not the most fun I've ever had. I would probably kill the Carr brothers myself right now if given the opportunity.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #143 on: July 29, 2014, 11:45:19 PM »
they are monsters and they need to be destroyed.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #144 on: July 30, 2014, 12:31:34 AM »

I just see no issue with people that did not value the lives of others having their lives devalued.

How is them person tasked with devaluing the lives of those criminals any better from a moral perspective than the criminals?

Do you really not understand how?  Are you incapable of reasoning?

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #145 on: July 30, 2014, 02:51:02 AM »

I just see no issue with people that did not value the lives of others having their lives devalued.

How is them person tasked with devaluing the lives of those criminals any better from a moral perspective than the criminals?

Do you really not understand how?  Are you incapable of reasoning?

God Damnit.   I honestly agree with KC.   I'm going to soak my head in bleach or something.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #146 on: July 30, 2014, 07:12:45 AM »

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #147 on: July 30, 2014, 07:24:15 AM »
The sooner Michigancat realizes prison isn't the same thing as a voluntary inpatient rehabilitation center, the sooner we can get past this. Prison and capital punishment is punishment for crimes against society. Prison is not a place for counseling and group hugs.

Removing someone society and taking away just about every freedom a criminal has IS punishment. And unless you make all incarcerations life sentences, you should do what you can to rehabilitate prisoners - not just for the inmate, but for society at large.
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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #148 on: July 30, 2014, 08:48:04 AM »
Inmates who have no chance of ever returning to society because of their heinous crimes do not need to be rehabilitated, made comfortable, or educated.


Inmates who probably are going to get out, sure they should be rehabilitated and allow them to get their news by reading a newspaper, not by watching TV. They don't need to be entertained or very comfortable though.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #149 on: July 30, 2014, 09:02:42 AM »
The sooner Michigancat realizes prison isn't the same thing as a voluntary inpatient rehabilitation center, the sooner we can get past this. Prison and capital punishment is punishment for crimes against society. Prison is not a place for counseling and group hugs.

Removing someone society and taking away just about every freedom a criminal has IS punishment. And unless you make all incarcerations life sentences, you should do what you can to rehabilitate prisoners - not just for the inmate, but for society at large.

I halfway agree with this Michigancat.  I think prisons should have major rehabilitation programs for most inmates.  Many are in prison because they were trying to provide for their family via means of robbery, selling drugs, GTA, forgery, identity theft, etc. (they may be doing 10-30 years of time).  I do however think there is a line where rehabilitation is not the answer and it is unsafe for that person to be in any type of rehabilitation or prison system.  Those who I do not think qualify are also the ones who should be doing life or being put to death (murderers, rapists, pedophiles).   

The current prison system is kind of mumped up.  I had a Chief of an adult detention center tell me his only job is to keep the prisoners in with no chance of reaching the outside world.  He said they sometimes get access to drugs and whatever else, but as long as they don't get outside the walls he really doesn't give a eff.  This attitude is why many prisoners doing time for convictions that do not carry life sentences find themselves back a short time later for making new bad decisions.  Many are released with no money, no job (and good luck finding one), no new outlook on life, uneducated, and no plans for social self improvement.  This is why our prison system grows and grows and grows.     
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