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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #100 on: July 29, 2014, 05:24:06 PM »
I am fine with them gaining a useful skill during their work in what ever work program they are assigned while in prison. 

Again, I am speaking specifically about violent criminals in max security. 

I just don't believe in rehabilitation for the ppl that commit such crimes.  Certainly not by the consumption of radio, tv, internet, magazines, etc. 

You may be right, but at the same time I think little harm is done by letting a prisoner watch tv or read books or exercise.

BECAUSE:

1) It MIGHT help rehabilitate/educate/improve the life of the prisoner during and after
2) It MIGHT make them less likely to go crazy in prison - give them some outlet of some sort.
3) TV/Radio/Exercise/books are EXTREMELY low cost items.
4) I don't think anyone who commits violent crimes (and according to you is impossible to rehabilitate) has the mental capacity to consider the prison amenities before committing a crime, therefore based on 1) and 2) and 3) it's worth a shot, ya know?

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #101 on: July 29, 2014, 05:24:19 PM »
This is about people like the Carrs, not prison life as a whole. Stay on point you fucks.

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« Reply #102 on: July 29, 2014, 05:25:08 PM »
This is about people like the Carrs, not prison life as a whole. Stay on point you fucks.

What I am saying applies to all prisoners.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #103 on: July 29, 2014, 05:58:08 PM »


I think they should let them exercise daily, have access to any reading material they request, be fed well, have proper medical care, and have a clean bed to sleep on.

What right do they have to a fairly good life (which is what you described)? Didn't they forfeit that when they tortured and murdered people? The only arguments against capital punishment that I can wrap my head around are those that are based on:

1. The potential of convicting an movement person (n/a here)
2. The idea that life in prison is worse than death. (Not in your idyllic scenario)
3. The theory that capital punishment cases end up costing taxpayers more than life sentences

4. Killing people is wrong?

Ha, I always assumed you were pro-abortion.  :cheers:

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #104 on: July 29, 2014, 06:14:52 PM »


I think they should let them exercise daily, have access to any reading material they request, be fed well, have proper medical care, and have a clean bed to sleep on.

What right do they have to a fairly good life (which is what you described)? Didn't they forfeit that when they tortured and murdered people? The only arguments against capital punishment that I can wrap my head around are those that are based on:

1. The potential of convicting an movement person (n/a here)
2. The idea that life in prison is worse than death. (Not in your idyllic scenario)
3. The theory that capital punishment cases end up costing taxpayers more than life sentences

4. Killing people is wrong?

Ha, I always assumed you were pro-abortion.  :cheers:

When have I ever said that?

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #105 on: July 29, 2014, 06:50:26 PM »


I think they should let them exercise daily, have access to any reading material they request, be fed well, have proper medical care, and have a clean bed to sleep on.

What right do they have to a fairly good life (which is what you described)? Didn't they forfeit that when they tortured and murdered people? The only arguments against capital punishment that I can wrap my head around are those that are based on:

1. The potential of convicting an movement person (n/a here)
2. The idea that life in prison is worse than death. (Not in your idyllic scenario)
3. The theory that capital punishment cases end up costing taxpayers more than life sentences

4. Killing people is wrong?

Ha, I always assumed you were pro-abortion.  :cheers:

When have I ever said that?

I didn't recall you ever saying it, that's why I said "assumed".

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #106 on: July 29, 2014, 07:03:16 PM »
I'm very against the death penalty but the Carr bros make it very difficult to defend my position.

I'm still solidly against it. What is accomplished by murdering these guys?
Nothing other than retribution.  I'm still against it (and still am in this case), but this is just a particularly grizzly case.  If there were ever a couple of individuals that make my inner "F'em, Kill'em" come out, it's these fellas, that's all.

Agree with everything you've said in this thread though.


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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #107 on: July 29, 2014, 07:09:07 PM »


I think they should let them exercise daily, have access to any reading material they request, be fed well, have proper medical care, and have a clean bed to sleep on.

What right do they have to a fairly good life (which is what you described)? Didn't they forfeit that when they tortured and murdered people? The only arguments against capital punishment that I can wrap my head around are those that are based on:

1. The potential of convicting an movement person (n/a here)
2. The idea that life in prison is worse than death. (Not in your idyllic scenario)
3. The theory that capital punishment cases end up costing taxpayers more than life sentences

4. Killing people is wrong?

Ha, I always assumed you were pro-abortion.  :cheers:

When have I ever said that?

I didn't recall you ever saying it, that's why I said "assumed".

Also notice I said "people". :clac:




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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #108 on: July 29, 2014, 07:11:24 PM »
I'm very against the death penalty but the Carr bros make it very difficult to defend my position.

I'm still solidly against it. What is accomplished by murdering these guys?
Nothing other than retribution.  I'm still against it (and still am in this case), but this is just a particularly grizzly case.  If there were ever a couple of individuals that make my inner "F'em, Kill'em" come out, it's these fellas, that's all.

Agree with everything you've said in this thread though.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #109 on: July 29, 2014, 07:13:57 PM »
This is about people like the Carrs, not prison life as a whole. Stay on point you fucks.

What I am saying applies to all prisoners.
The talk devolved from treatment of the Carrs and those like them to talk of prisoners as a whole. There is a clear difference. The Carrs dont deserve to be treated the same as your run of the mill inmate.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #110 on: July 29, 2014, 07:15:49 PM »
This is about people like the Carrs, not prison life as a whole. Stay on point you fucks.

What I am saying applies to all prisoners.
The talk devolved from treatment of the Carrs and those like them to talk of prisoners as a whole. There is a clear difference. The Carrs dont deserve to be treated the same as your run of the mill inmate.

Yeah, I disagree with your stance (both on the Carrs and the direction this thread has taken). It's all connected and a worthwhile discussion.

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« Reply #111 on: July 29, 2014, 08:12:27 PM »
Even if the inmates don't rehabilitate themselves by reading a book or watching tv, at least they aren't raping people while they partake in that activity. If you were wrongfully convicted of a crime, I think you would appreciate the library access and anything that takes your fellow inmates' minds off of raping you.

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« Reply #112 on: July 29, 2014, 08:16:17 PM »


I think they should let them exercise daily, have access to any reading material they request, be fed well, have proper medical care, and have a clean bed to sleep on.

What right do they have to a fairly good life (which is what you described)? Didn't they forfeit that when they tortured and murdered people? The only arguments against capital punishment that I can wrap my head around are those that are based on:

1. The potential of convicting an movement person (n/a here)
2. The idea that life in prison is worse than death. (Not in your idyllic scenario)
3. The theory that capital punishment cases end up costing taxpayers more than life sentences

4. Killing people is wrong?

Ha, I always assumed you were pro-abortion.  :cheers:

I am strongly anti-abortion in the sense that if you get one you are an awful person. I don't think people who get them are beyond redemption, though, and jail would do them a lot more harm than good. A fine isn't much of a deterrent either. These people are no threat to society, so why the government should be involved at all is beyond me.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #113 on: July 29, 2014, 09:32:26 PM »
Guys we'd have all the money we want to make the prison system like, not nearly as awful, if we ended the war on drugs and didn't fill up our prisons with non-violent drug offenders.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #114 on: July 29, 2014, 09:33:39 PM »
I knew the same people daris did, probably not the case where I can be impartial

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #115 on: July 29, 2014, 09:36:58 PM »
A lot of you are no better than these guys in question. Lots of weird bloodlust in this thread.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #116 on: July 29, 2014, 09:37:20 PM »
What does any prison sentence or punishment accomplish other than punishing the individual and act as a deterrent to acts society has determined to be socially unacceptable? The argument that "killing" is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong, is a shallow and mindless argument, at best intellectually dishonest. Locking someone up against their will (kidnapping) is also wrong and a crime, but i haven't seen this used as a rationale to do away with prison. This pathetic analogy places the criminal justice system in the shoes of the criminal and the criminal in the shoes of the victim; it's perverted and idiotic, and I'll not have it in this thread.

Maybe in progressive utopia every piece of crap degenerate rapist murderer can be rehabbed and brought back into the world to cure cancer.  Here in real life, 5 people (and a dog, lol), through no fault of their own, were tortured, raped and executed in the most demeaning way imaginable by two depraved heart psychopaths. Justice would seem to afford these two people the most ungodly, abhorrent death imaginable. Instead we've got a collection of nitwit ne'erdowells babbling about PBS and whether or not killing is moral. Get the eff out of here.

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #117 on: July 29, 2014, 09:38:19 PM »
I'm very against the death penalty but the Carr bros make it very difficult to defend my position.

I'm still solidly against it. What is accomplished by murdering these guys?
Nothing other than retribution.  I'm still against it (and still am in this case), but this is just a particularly grizzly case.  If there were ever a couple of individuals that make my inner "F'em, Kill'em" come out, it's these fellas, that's all.

Agree with everything you've said in this thread though.

Honestly in a weird way a case like this reinforces my anti-death penalty stance. The emotions that go with a gruesome crime like this cloud our ability to look clearly at the death penalty issue. The question of "Should the State have the legal ability to kill people" in my opinion should be a big fat no, even the most brutal and evil members of our society. JMHO

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #118 on: July 29, 2014, 09:55:28 PM »


I think they should let them exercise daily, have access to any reading material they request, be fed well, have proper medical care, and have a clean bed to sleep on.

What right do they have to a fairly good life (which is what you described)? Didn't they forfeit that when they tortured and murdered people? The only arguments against capital punishment that I can wrap my head around are those that are based on:

1. The potential of convicting an movement person (n/a here)
2. The idea that life in prison is worse than death. (Not in your idyllic scenario)
3. The theory that capital punishment cases end up costing taxpayers more than life sentences

4. Killing people is wrong?

Ha, I always assumed you were pro-abortion.  :cheers:

When have I ever said that?

I didn't recall you ever saying it, that's why I said "assumed".

Also notice I said "people". :clac:

That's the lib I love.  :Rusty:

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« Reply #119 on: July 29, 2014, 10:10:53 PM »
What does any prison sentence or punishment accomplish other than punishing the individual and act as a deterrent to acts society has determined to be socially unacceptable? The argument that "killing" is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong, is a shallow and mindless argument, at best intellectually dishonest. Locking someone up against their will (kidnapping) is also wrong and a crime, but i haven't seen this used as a rationale to do away with prison.

Not a bad point. I would argue that incarceration, while unfortunate, is a form of punishment that leaves open the possibility the criminal returning as a productive member of society in some capacity. These guys obviously wouldn't make it out, but maybe they could help fellow inmates while? Find Jesus? Who knows?

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« Reply #120 on: July 29, 2014, 10:12:28 PM »
This is about people like the Carrs, not prison life as a whole. Stay on point you fucks.

What I am saying applies to all prisoners.
The talk devolved from treatment of the Carrs and those like them to talk of prisoners as a whole. There is a clear difference. The Carrs dont deserve to be treated the same as your run of the mill inmate.

Yeah, I disagree with your stance (both on the Carrs and the direction this thread has taken). It's all connected and a worthwhile discussion.
Ok. :thumbs:

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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #121 on: July 29, 2014, 10:14:28 PM »
JD  :D
Hyperbolic partisan duplicitous hypocrite

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« Reply #122 on: July 29, 2014, 10:16:30 PM »
What does any prison sentence or punishment accomplish other than punishing the individual and act as a deterrent to acts society has determined to be socially unacceptable? The argument that "killing" is wrong, therefore the death penalty is wrong, is a shallow and mindless argument, at best intellectually dishonest. Locking someone up against their will (kidnapping) is also wrong and a crime, but i haven't seen this used as a rationale to do away with prison.

Not a bad point. I would argue that incarceration, while unfortunate, is a form of punishment that leaves open the possibility the criminal returning as a productive member of society in some capacity. These guys obviously wouldn't make it out, but maybe they could help fellow inmates while? Find Jesus? Who knows?

That would be a terrible argument. 
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Re: Carr Bros.
« Reply #123 on: July 29, 2014, 10:17:48 PM »
i'm fine with killing people that purposefully kill other people for no good reason. i mean they're going to die anyway eventually, so just speed up the process and be done with it and move on.

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« Reply #124 on: July 29, 2014, 10:18:38 PM »
I find myself siding with FSD and ksu in this thread and I'm OK with that.

This "evolved cultured" view on the treatment of people like the Carrs is abhorrent.