Israel - Hamas peace process

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Seriously what’s the right rough ridin' answer for these people‘s homes for the next 3 to 5 years?

Build refuge camps

Again, that seems like a logical suggestion. My question is where? I’m not that familiar with Gaza. Are there large vast open field areas near freshwater?

I don’t see how Gaza ever becomes anything other than a massive refugee camp at this point let alone part of a functioning non-terrorist nation. If it didn’t meet the definition of ethnic cleansing, resettlement around the arab world might be the least terrible option.

[Pete]

I know little or nothing about the detailed geography of the Gaza area so if there are large open spaces like Central Park or whatever where they can have these people then that sounds terrific. I haven’t googled it. I don’t know anything about it. I just assumed that it’s a rough ridin' wasteland due to being destroyed.

[Pete]

Seriously what’s the right rough ridin' answer for these people‘s homes for the next 3 to 5 years?

Build refuge camps

Again, that seems like a logical suggestion. My question is where? I’m not that familiar with Gaza. Are there large vast open field areas near freshwater?

I don’t see how Gaza ever becomes anything other than a massive refugee camp at this point let alone part of a functioning non-terrorist nation. If it didn’t meet the definition of ethnic cleansing, resettlement around the arab world might be the least terrible option.

Agree.

It seems like the right thing to do is to dispense with obtuse labels and social science jargon and just decide what the most rough ridin' humane thing is to do within the constraints of human behavior and pragmatism about how the world really rough ridin' works.

[star seed 7]

Pete, that's the exact same logic that white supremacist use to excuse slavery because black people are "better off" in America.

[wetwillie]

Where are the Gazans now? Aren't they just in a different part of Gaza then they were before?

[Pete]

Pete, that's the exact same logic that white supremacist use to excuse slavery because black people are "better off" in America.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, but I would like us to talk about where you think the Palestinian should live while Gaza is uninhabitable

[Pete]

Where are the Gazans now? Aren't they just in a different part of Gaza then they were before?

That is a terrific question. It might shed light on some very probable solutions.

[star seed 7]

Pete, that's the exact same logic that white supremacist use to excuse slavery because black people are "better off" in America.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, but I would like us to talk about where you think the Palestinian should live while Gaza is uninhabitable

They can come to the US for all I care. Wherever it is it should be voluntary.

[Pete]

Pete, that's the exact same logic that white supremacist use to excuse slavery because black people are "better off" in America.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, but I would like us to talk about where you think the Palestinian should live while Gaza is uninhabitable

They can come to the US for all I care. Wherever it is it should be voluntary.

I have suggested on this very blog that we relocate the entire country of Israel to the United States and give the existing Israeli area to the Palestinians. I will admit to you now, however, that I think my proposal is highly unlikely to ever happen.

[star seed 7]

Pete, that's the exact same logic that white supremacist use to excuse slavery because black people are "better off" in America.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, but I would like us to talk about where you think the Palestinian should live while Gaza is uninhabitable

They can come to the US for all I care. Wherever it is it should be voluntary.

I have suggested on this very blog that we relocate the entire country of Israel to the United States and give the existing Israeli area to the Palestinians. I will admit to you now, however, that I think my proposal is highly unlikely to ever happen.

Maybe we should forcibly remove them. Swing the big dick so to speak.

[Pete]

Pete, that's the exact same logic that white supremacist use to excuse slavery because black people are "better off" in America.

I don’t understand what you’re saying, but I would like us to talk about where you think the Palestinian should live while Gaza is uninhabitable

They can come to the US for all I care. Wherever it is it should be voluntary.

I have suggested on this very blog that we relocate the entire country of Israel to the United States and give the existing Israeli area to the Palestinians. I will admit to you now, however, that I think my proposal is highly unlikely to ever happen.

Maybe we should forcibly remove them. Swing the big dick so to speak.

I’d rather personally see it done that way and moving Israel than in Panama or Greenland. The only reason Israel even rough ridin' exists (except in books) is because of Harry Truman.

[Pete]

I mean, we could sort of have the Supreme Court just re-review Harry Truman‘s actions or something and say that they were unconstitutional and that the state department was correct in opposing Harry Truman about the creation of Israel and then we just say that we don’t recognize Israel as a state And then we offer them half of the state of Nevada and then we just start showing up with helicopters and boats and crap, and then use the back door security keys for all of their tech software to render them obsolete.

[Pete]

Pretty standard stuff

[star seed 7]

I know that hamas are bad people but we have to look past that and and listen to their good ideas. Should Isreal even exist? The conversation must be had.

[wetwillie]

There aren't any left to listen to are there?

[Pete]

I know that hamas are bad people but we have to look past that and and listen to their good ideas. Should Isreal even exist? The conversation must be had.

I’m not aware of any Hamas’ good ideas. Tell me about Hamas’s ideas that you think are good.

I see what you’re doing here and it doesn’t really fit

[star seed 7]

I was just expanding on your idea Pete.

[Pete]

I was just expanding on your idea Pete.

See it through then, don’t quit. Tell me about all the Hamas ideas that you think are good ones. Let’s play this out.

[star seed 7]

I was just expanding on your idea Pete.

See it through then, don’t quit. Tell me about all the Hamas ideas that you think are good ones. Let’s play this out.

You've had two posts exploring if Isreal should exist, maybe I'm incorrect but isn't that a belief of hamas?

[Pete]

I was just expanding on your idea Pete.

See it through then, don’t quit. Tell me about all the Hamas ideas that you think are good ones. Let’s play this out.

You've had two posts exploring if Isreal should exist, maybe I'm incorrect but isn't that a belief of hamas?

I steadfastly disagree with Hamas on precisely how that would be carried out. I stand by my proposal to give them half of Nevada, however and in such case they should remain Israel just in a different geographic location.

[CNS]

I am willing to bet there is a lot of non-rubble area. Only the cities are rubble, I bet. If we are talking refugee camps, anywhere near whatever infrastructure is left will work. If we are looking for a city to take them, I agree that it should be Israel’s job to house them or find another suitable location.

[Pete]

I am willing to bet there is a lot of non-rubble area. Only the cities are rubble, I bet. If we are talking refugee camps, anywhere near whatever infrastructure is left will work. If we are looking for a city to take them, I agree that it should be Israel’s job to house them or find another suitable location.

Yeah, that’s probably the case there’s gonna be a lot of like empty lots or distant desert area, future development area or whatever.

I actually agree that it should be Israel’s job to help them or find another suitable location. I just believe that there’s no rough ridin' chance that would ever happen.

[CNS]

I am willing to bet there is a lot of non-rubble area. Only the cities are rubble, I bet. If we are talking refugee camps, anywhere near whatever infrastructure is left will work. If we are looking for a city to take them, I agree that it should be Israel’s job to house them or find another suitable location.

Yeah, that’s probably the case there’s gonna be a lot of like empty lots or distant desert area, future development area or whatever.

I actually agree that it should be Israel’s job to help them or find another suitable location. I just believe that there’s no rough ridin' chance that would ever happen.

Yeah, I don’t think anything good is going to happen. If we are going to predict actual happenings, Palestinians are mumped imo.

[michigancat]

I actually agree that it should be Israel’s job to help them or find another suitable location. I just believe that there’s no rough ridin' chance that would ever happen.

Given this stance, do you think we should keep supporting Israel with weapons and money?

[Pete]

I actually agree that it should be Israel’s job to help them or find another suitable location. I just believe that there’s no rough ridin' chance that would ever happen.

Given this stance, do you think we should keep supporting Israel with weapons and money?

I do. This sums up my reasons, and I absolutely agree with the caveats that were added to the below as well. I don’t like it at all. I accept it. I tend to believe that it’s necessary in order for the United States to maintain it standing as the primary force in this world between absolute authoritarianism and some semblance of democracy.

 Israel is considered important to U.S. national security due to several factors:

1. **Intelligence and Counterterrorism**: Israel provides critical intelligence that helps prevent attacks on Americans both at home and abroad. Its expertise in counterterrorism and cybersecurity has been instrumental in protecting U.S. infrastructure, including airports and cyberspace[1][3][9].

2. **Military and Strategic Alliance**: As a stable democratic ally in the Middle East, Israel's military strength and geostrategic location help deter adversaries like Iran and its proxies. The U.S.-Israel partnership includes joint missile defense programs, such as the Iron Dome, which also benefits U.S. defense systems[2][7][9].

3. **Economic and Technological Collaboration**: U.S. security aid to Israel supports American jobs and fosters technological advancements that enhance both nations' security capabilities[4][9].

However, some argue that unwavering support for Israel can complicate U.S. diplomacy in the region, particularly with Iran, and may not always align with broader American strategic interests[5].

Sources
[1] Keeping Us Safe - AIPAC https://www.aipac.org/resources/keeping-us-safe-7x846
[2] [PDF] Israel: Major Issues and U.S. Relations - CRS Reports https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R44245
[3] How Important Is It for the United States to Stand with Israel? https://cbnisrael.org/2024/08/15/how-important-is-it-for-the-united-states-to-stand-with-israel/
[4] U.S. Security Assistance to Israel - AIPAC https://www.aipac.org/resources/us-security-assistance-to-israel
[5] Israel Is a Strategic Liability for the United States - Foreign Policy https://foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/22/israel-gaza-biden-netanyahu-security-united-states/
[6] Americans Continue to Say the US Should Stay Impartial in Israeli ... https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-continue-say-us-should-stay-impartial-israeli-palestinian
[7] Why America cares about Israel's security | The American Legion https://www.legion.org/information-center/news/landing-zone/2023/december/why-america-cares-about-israels-security
[8] Expert: US Also Protected by Its Investment in Israel - The Daily Signal https://www.dailysignal.com/2025/02/05/expert-us-also-protected-by-its-investment-in-israel/
[9] What Every American Should Know About U.S. Aid to Israel | AJC https://www.ajc.org/news/what-every-american-should-know-about-us-aid-to-israel
[10] Israel's fight to define the right matters for US security https://www.mei.edu/publications/israels-fight-define-right-matters-us-security
[11] Israel–United States relations - Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%E2%80%93United_States_relations