Israel - Hamas peace process

[I_have_purplewood]

Has anyone addressed where Gaza will get the money to rebuild?  And this if it isn't from us.

Gulf states as part of a grand bargain to recognize Israel as part of a 2-state solution. But that was when everyone was pretending that international law and order was something you pretended to do. We are definitely in a post-international law era now. No need to pretend anymore that a 2 state solution is going to happen.

Correct.  So if this is true then it will most likely come from OPEC nations which would be a concern to me.  And I say this because of who is apart of OPEC.  Not sure this would be the best option which then leads me to ask, why not us?

Why would gulf states paying for construction in Gaza be a concern to you?

Because a number of them continue to fund their terrorist activities.

[LickNeckey]

Is it not obvious to everyone that we'd kick out Palestinians so that Israelis could live there?

I am going to take Don and Marco at their word here

[wetwillie]

Gaza will be the new Mediterranean vacation spot.

[Kat Kid]

Cleanup —

President Trump’s Mideast envoy Steve Witkoff was on Capitol Hill on Wednesday to clarify Trump’s Tuesday night proposal to seize control of the Gaza Strip and displace its population after some Republicans raised objections about a new U.S. military occupation overseas.?“Witkoff said that the president doesn’t want to put any troops into Gaza, and that he doesn’t want to spend any U.S. money on Gaza,” said Sen. Josh Hawley (R-Missouri), after Witkoff delivered a presentation to Senate Republicans over a private lunch meeting.?But Witkoff did not suggest that Trump had abandoned his proposal that Gaza’s population of 2.2 million Palestinians be displaced from their land.?“He painted a scenario of a Gazan family moving back into tents, thinking ‘I’m going to get back into a dwelling in five years,’ and that is just not going to happen. It is a wasteland of rubble,” said one senator, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to describe Witkoff’s presentation. Arab states — who have so far reacted in anger to Trump’s remarks — would have to take the Palestinians, Witkoff told them.?How? Money. The senator said other Arab governments could be enticed with the offer of treaties and deals that would provide “hundreds of billions of dollars to their economy,” in exchange for resettling the Palestinians.?“It’s clear to me the administration believes there’s a win-win situation with some Arab countries, where it would become so financially attractive to them to accept these displaced Gazans,” the senator said.?Hawley said that one senator asked Witkoff if perhaps Trump was just speaking off the cuff, tossing out ideas as they came to him, as he sometimes does. Witkoff assured them he was not.?Trump has been “gestating on this plan for some time,” Hawley said, describing the exchange. He didn’t provide further details on the plan, though.

No the US won’t be paying for any of this (sorry purple wood)

The US “doesn’t want” to send in any US troops.

The “resettlement may be temporary”

And somehow there will be hundreds of billions of dollars for Arab states that take Palestinian refugees for resettlement.

Other than that it sounds like the plan is very straightforward, moral, fair, legal, and going to work.

[Pete]

KK, in your opinion, does morality dictate geographic location of domicile

I think it’s a factor, but I don’t believe that humans have a moral right to exist in a particular geographic spot on this globe.

And if you are in agreement with me about that, then would it be safe to assume that your moral concerns about the situation have nothing to do with the relocation?

I find myself looking at the case at hand and saying  “the place is demolished and uninhabitable .”  And that begs the question “where do they live while it is uninhabitable?” And further, would they not be better off if the place that they are temporarily relocated to was improved to a condition that is superior to where they originally came from?

So for me, relocation is not part of any moral calculation about what the right outcome should be here .

[Cire]

KK, in your opinion, does morality dictate geographic location of domicile

I think it’s a factor, but I don’t believe that humans have a moral right to exist in a particular geographic spot on this globe.

And if you are in agreement with me about that, then would it be safe to assume that your moral concerns about the situation have nothing to do with the relocation?

I find myself looking at the case at hand and saying  “the place is demolished and uninhabitable .”  And that begs the question “where do they live while it is uninhabitable?” And further, would they not be better off if the place that they are temporarily relocated to was improved to a condition that is superior to where they originally came from?

So for me, relocation is not part of any moral calculation about what the right outcome should be here .

It sounds like you’re condoning ethnic cleansing

[Pete]

KK, in your opinion, does morality dictate geographic location of domicile

I think it’s a factor, but I don’t believe that humans have a moral right to exist in a particular geographic spot on this globe.

And if you are in agreement with me about that, then would it be safe to assume that your moral concerns about the situation have nothing to do with the relocation?

I find myself looking at the case at hand and saying  “the place is demolished and uninhabitable .”  And that begs the question “where do they live while it is uninhabitable?” And further, would they not be better off if the place that they are temporarily relocated to was improved to a condition that is superior to where they originally came from?

So for me, relocation is not part of any moral calculation about what the right outcome should be here .

It sounds like you’re condoning ethnic cleansing

I  don’t want ethnic cleansing. If you’re against what I just posted, then you seem to be against finding homes for homeless people. You see that switcheroo there?

[Pete]

Seriously what’s the right rough ridin' answer for these people‘s homes for the next 3 to 5 years?

[wetwillie]

House them in Israel

[Pete]

House them in Israel

In your opinion, is that the best solution?

[Pete]

Let’s just assume for a moment that Israel will not allow them to be housed inside of Israel. I think we can all agree that this is a fairly safe assumption.

[wetwillie]

House them in Israel

In your opinion, is that the best solution?

Yea they have room and it's pretty damn close to their OG homes.

[Pete]

House them in Israel

In your opinion, is that the best solution?

Yea they have room and it's pretty damn close to their OG homes.

I think your suggestion ignores some realities of human behavior, but if Israel is up for it, why the heck not!

[wetwillie]

I don't see why not, they did make them homeless after all.

[Pete]

I don't see why not, they did make them homeless after all.

Well, again, I think your suggestion is logical, but it most certainly ignores the realities of human behavior and the way that the world actually works.

If we’re gonna do that, I think we should really be talking about the appropriate use of a Time Machine in this situation .

[Rage Against the McKee]

Let’s just assume for a moment that Israel will not allow them to be housed inside of Israel. I think we can all agree that this is a fairly safe assumption.

Tell Israel they will allow them or they will look like Gaza.

[Pete]

Let’s just assume for a moment that Israel will not allow them to be housed inside of Israel. I think we can all agree that this is a fairly safe assumption.

Tell Israel they will allow them or they will look like Gaza.

The reasons are actually quite diverse, but there’s no rough ridin' way we ever do anything negative to Israel. That’s way way way above our pay grade.

[Pete]

This is been a really good brainstorming session gang but we still have this pesky issue of where to house the Palestinians while Gaza is uninhabitable.

[Cire]

Seriously what’s the right rough ridin' answer for these people‘s homes for the next 3 to 5 years?

Build refuge camps

[Sandstone Outcropping]

MAGA: End the NeoCon globalists Forever Wars! Stop messing around in the problems of foreign devils — they don’t concern us, spend American $$ to help Americans.

Also MAGA: seize part of the most hotly contested real estate on earth, help Netanyahu finish ethnically cleansing Gaza. Spend billions turning the massive pile of rubble that is Gaza into a beautiful resort!

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Has anyone addressed where Gaza will get the money to rebuild?  And this if it isn't from us.

MAGA: America is bankrupt. We don’t have money to waste in foreign countries.

[Pete]

Seriously what’s the right rough ridin' answer for these people‘s homes for the next 3 to 5 years?

Build refuge camps

Again, that seems like a logical suggestion. My question is where? I’m not that familiar with Gaza. Are there large vast open field areas near freshwater?

[Pete]

MAGA: End the NeoCon globalists Forever Wars! Stop messing around in the problems of foreign devils — they don’t concern us, spend American $$ to help Americans.

Also MAGA: seize part of the most hotly contested real estate on earth, help Netanyahu finish ethnically cleansing Gaza. Spend billions turning the massive pile of rubble that is Gaza into a beautiful resort!

I actually got the vibe from things I read that suggested that many conservatives were not pleased with Trump piping off about this. I couldn’t really discern which ones were Maga versus neocons versus whatever.

[CNS]

Right back where they were seems fair.

[Pete]

Right back where they were seems fair.

What do we do while where they were is uninhabitable and/or being rebuilt?

Can’t put tents up on top of rubble effectively, and you can’t remove rubble and rebuild with a bunch of tents there .