Israel - Hamas peace process

[sonofdaxjones]

Mods please merge with World War III - Kamala Harris years thread


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[Pete]

Dax, how do you what about this?

Trump says Israel should take out Iran's nuclear facilities: 'That's the thing you wanna hit'

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6362863184112

‘Hit the nuclear first, and worry about the rest later,’ the Republican (TRUMP) told a campaign event in North Carolina

“They asked him, what do you think about Iran, would you hit Iran? And he goes, ‘As long as they don’t hit the nuclear stuff.’ That’s the thing you want to hit, right?” Trump told a town hall style event in Fayetteville, near a major US military base.
Biden was asked on Wednesday whether he would support strikes against Iranian nuclear sites and the US president told reporters: “The answer is no.”
“I think he’s got that one wrong,” Trump said on Friday, in response to a participant’s question about the issue. “Isn’t that what you’re supposed to hit? I mean, it’s the biggest risk we have, nuclear weapons,” he said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3281184/trump-urges-israel-strike-irans-nuclear-sites-criticises-bidens-response

[sonofdaxjones]

I don’t think it’s very smart for Trump to say that and it has to be painful for Joe to see his bros in Iran potentially in the crosshairs of a major Israeli strike.

May need some more tarmac cash

That said, Trump isn’t the Pres so it’s still - World at War: The Harris Biden Years

Also, kind of cuts against the grain of what that turd lyin Susan Rice was saying about Trump appeasement.

But #blueanon is insane


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[sys]

Dax, how do you what about this?

Trump says Israel should take out Iran's nuclear facilities: 'That's the thing you wanna hit'

https://www.foxnews.com/video/6362863184112

‘Hit the nuclear first, and worry about the rest later,’ the Republican (TRUMP) told a campaign event in North Carolina

“They asked him, what do you think about Iran, would you hit Iran? And he goes, ‘As long as they don’t hit the nuclear stuff.’ That’s the thing you want to hit, right?” Trump told a town hall style event in Fayetteville, near a major US military base.
Biden was asked on Wednesday whether he would support strikes against Iranian nuclear sites and the US president told reporters: “The answer is no.”
“I think he’s got that one wrong,” Trump said on Friday, in response to a participant’s question about the issue. “Isn’t that what you’re supposed to hit? I mean, it’s the biggest risk we have, nuclear weapons,” he said.

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/united-states-canada/article/3281184/trump-urges-israel-strike-irans-nuclear-sites-criticises-bidens-response

trump is right.

[sys]

kat kid - "this is actually bad for some reason."

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1842130782870986917

[Sandstone Outcropping]

Iran trains and arms paramilitaries on Israel’s borders for 40 years with the twin purposes of “death to Israel” and “kill the Jews” and Israel gets accused of “escalating conflict”? Really strange double standard.

[Kat Kid]

kat kid - "this is actually bad for some reason."

https://x.com/DrEliDavid/status/1842130782870986917

I guess it depends on what your goals are.  If a Palestinian state and peace are a part of your goals, this Israeli government in both word and deed are diametrically opposed to any change in those things.

You never really reckon with if any of the non-Hizbollah or non-Hamas civilians have any right to a state or a normal life while Israel bombs them to oblivion.

As for the continued special exemptions from international law for Israel, I think at some point we will regret not upholding the law. Not because international law has a long and glorious history of being applied evenly and consistently. Not because might makes right stopped being largely true.

But because the alternatives where each country only and ever pursues their self-interest at maximum velocity and without any concern for human rights or the laws and treaties that govern the interactions of nations is a world we do not quite yet live in and one I would like to avoid.

[sys]

You never really reckon with if any of the non-Hizbollah or non-Hamas civilians have any right to a state or a normal life while Israel bombs them to oblivion.

when you live in an area occupied by an entity engaged in open war with another state, it is indeed not possible to live a normal life free of risk of violence.

this is a very simple binary, actually.  civilians in jordan live at peace because their state is not engaged in a war with neighboring states.  in contrast, civilians in lebanon incur some (lets be honest, very small) risk, because their country has been defacto governed by an entity that regularly tries to kill people (often very successfully) in neighboring states.

[Kat Kid]

You never really reckon with if any of the non-Hizbollah or non-Hamas civilians have any right to a state or a normal life while Israel bombs them to oblivion.

when you live in an area occupied by an entity engaged in open war with another state, it is indeed not possible to live a normal life free of risk of violence.

this is a very simple binary, actually.  civilians in jordan live at peace because their state is not engaged in a war with neighboring states.  in contrast, civilians in lebanon incur some (lets be honest, very small) risk, because their country has been defacto governed by an entity that regularly tries to kill people (often very successfully) in neighboring states.

could have probably stopped here

[sys]

when you live in an area occupied by an entity

could have probably stopped here

thanks to israel, lebanon now has the best opportunity to change that reality that they've had since in like 35 years.

[sonofdaxjones]

Hitting the nuclear will almost certainly require the United States to engage in full scale bombing operations across multiple countries and will likely put us on DefCon One terrorism watch.

It will almost certainly mean large scale attacks against our troops in Syria, Iraq and probably Kuwait and Red Sea . . . without massive US intervention

CENTCOM dude is in Tel Aviv, French and Brits say no thanks.

Time to consult The Holy Bible/Big Book of Myths (depending on the day, political matter in play, who is selling them)


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[wetwillie]

Could use a Felix Rex update about now

[Kat Kid]

when you live in an area occupied by an entity

could have probably stopped here

thanks to israel, lebanon now has the best opportunity to change that reality that they've had since in like 35 years.

Definitely have to give it up for Israel.

Would it bother you if they get in to live shooting with the UN peacekeeping delegation from Ireland?

[sys]

tbh, in the last year, ireland has revealed itself to be such a bastion of unrepentant nazism that i'd happily support turning the entire island into glass.

[Kat Kid]

well there you have it.

[michigancat]

in the last year, ireland has revealed itself to be such a bastion of unrepentant nazism

Do you say this because of their stance on Israel, immigrant protests, or something else?

[sonofdaxjones]

Ireland: The Ukraine of the British Isles per Sys (celebrate the Nazi Collaborator/UltraNationalist Day is coming up 1.1.25 in Ukraine BTW).

In other news, as more rockets get through Israeli defenses, I would like to think it’s going to bring all sides to the table in earnest, but the opposite will happen.

Some speculate Washington’s rhetoric on calming down is for the headlines only.

 


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[Kat Kid]

At this point, this type of article is so tired this is just for domestic consumption. The US/Israel policy is not "broken" there is no "mistrust."

The Israelis have a totally free hand to do whatever they want. They will not be governed by the limits of international law and certainly not by the US. Unconditional support means unconditional and this whining on the part of the Biden admin is pathetic and should be dismissed.

https://www.axios.com/2024/10/08/us-israel-war-iran-gaza-lebanon

"The Biden administration has in recent weeks grown increasingly distrustful of what the Israeli government says about its military and diplomatic plans in the multi-front war it is fighting, four U.S. officials told Axios.

Why it matters: The worsening trust crisis is magnified by Israel's planned retaliation against Iran for its massive missile attack, which requires coordination with the U.S. in case Iran responds.

The Biden administration isn't opposed to Israel responding to the Iranian attack last week but wants it to be measured, U.S. officials said.
"Our trust of the Israelis is very low right now and for a good reason," one U.S. official said."

[sonofdaxjones]

Doesn't sound like a lot of pro'ing and adulting is going on . . .

[sys]

in the last year, ireland has revealed itself to be such a bastion of unrepentant nazism

Do you say this because of their stance on Israel, immigrant protests, or something else?

mostly because so many of them want to kill jews.

[michigancat]

in the last year, ireland has revealed itself to be such a bastion of unrepentant nazism

Do you say this because of their stance on Israel, immigrant protests, or something else?

mostly because so many of them want to kill jews.

Is there a link explaining this in a little more detail

[Kat Kid]

I was going to try and see who on here would support an Israeli nuclear first strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities which are deep underground or in mountains and likely there aren’t conventional weapons that could take them out.

But when my man wants to give Israel the latitude to nuclear first strike Ireland, it seems a little redundant.

Anyone else want to try and create a logical defense of allowing a nuclear proliferator that is currently in a war they claim is “to defend western civilization” and claim multiple of their enemies are existential threats to their state the ability to nuclear first strike another nation that does not actually have nuclear weapons and was signatory to a nuclear arms control treaty when the other party unilaterally tore it up.

Is a nuclear first strike the red line for people? I’m honestly not sure it is anymore.

[CNS]

I don’t think there are any universal red lines anymore.

[Kat Kid]

I don’t think there are any universal red lines anymore.

Seems bad!

[sonofdaxjones]

Is CNS the reincarnation of General LeMay?

CNS/LeMay: This war isn't going to way we want it, time to nuke the crap out of them

President of the Time: General that is a red line I am not willing to cross

CNS/LeMay: With all due respect sir, no red lines exist anymore

(Put The Big Board in the background)