Israel - Hamas peace process

[CNS]

I’ve always said Trump was tough on Iran you derp.

Tough doesn’t mean war everytime.




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Whichever oil exec he hires as Sec of State will surely successfully navigate both Russia and the Middle East before Trump fires him in month 4.

The last one called Trump a “rough ridin' moron.”

Rex is Antifa.

[sonofdaxjones]

I’ve always said Trump was tough on Iran you derp.

Tough doesn’t mean war everytime.




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Whichever oil exec he hires as Sec of State will surely successfully navigate both Russia and the Middle East before Trump fires him in month 4.

The last one called Trump a “rough ridin' moron.”

You refuse to talk about the crap show currently “in charge” LMAO


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[sonofdaxjones]

SMDH

https://twitter.com/carolineglick/status/1847904216926257255?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g


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And?

Your inability to follow a theme is both telling and astounding


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[CNS]

That wily mastermind mentally feeble guy that is a whole 3 or 4 yrs older than Don.

[wetwillie]

I don't think I'd go near my pager anytime soon if I was this lady

[sonofdaxjones]

So you’re saying Joe is in charge?

LMAO

Just more deflection.

#blueanongE: We’re so embarrassed all we can do is whatabout Trump


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[sonofdaxjones]

Blinks taking another trip to Israel . . . some say the 11th time is always the charm

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/jewtastic/status/1848438591409819750?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g


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[star seed 7]

Lol

[Kat Kid]

The gold is under the hospital they bombed. Got it.

[Kat Kid]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/oct/21/israel-claims-hezbollah-bunker-under-beirut-hospital-holds-millions-in-cash

Israel claims Hezbollah bunker under Beirut hospital holds millions of dollars
Sahel hospital evacuated despite Israel saying it would not attack it although at least four people died in nearby strikes

Middle East crisis: live updates
William Christou in Beirut
Mon 21 Oct 2024 17.35 EDT
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Israel has accused Hezbollah of keeping hundreds of millions of dollars in cash and gold in a bunker under a hospital in the southern suburbs of Beirut, though it said it would not strike the complex.

The Sahel hospital in Dahiyeh was evacuated shortly afterwards, and Fadi Alame, its director, told Reuters that the allegations were untrue.

Israel did not provide evidence for its claim that cash was being kept under the hospital. Instead, it published an animated graphic that purported to show a bunker under the hospital and said it had previously been used to hide the former secretary general of Hezbollah, Hassan Nasrallah. Israel appealed to the Lebanese government to confiscate the money it said the Shia militant organisation had stolen from the Lebanese people.

Shortly after, Israel issued a series of warnings to residents of Dahiyeh that it would begin striking buildings in the area and that they should move at least 500 metres away. Those who remained in the area began to flee.

Airstrikes began about an hour later, with strong explosions heard across the Beirut area. One of the strikes hit just in front of the entrance of the Rafik Hariri university hospital, the largest public hospital in Lebanon. At least four people including a child were killed and 24 injured in the strike, and the hospital suffered “major damage” from the blast.

Despite the strike, the hospital’s activities continued as usual and it was receiving the injured from Monday night’s strikes, according to a source at the hospital.

The initial casualty count was expected to rise as first responders continued digging through the rubble for people. A picture of the building struck in front of Rafik Hairi hospital showed a man covered in blood lying lifeless in a bombed-out building.

[Kat Kid]

It is again worth noting that despite lots of people saying that Israel is singled out for condemnation, in fact it is the case that there is incredible restraint to even mention how flagrantly they are violating international law. Again, this is against non-combatant UN Peacekeepers that Israel has accused of "acting as human shields" for Hizbollah. In a separate and totally unrelated incident Israel had a tank knock over a fence and try to find cover within a UN Peacekeepers outpost while under fire. In the same incident, 15 UN Peacekeepers were injured by the white phosphorus that was laid down to cover the Israeli tank position. That has not qualified as using "human shields" in Israel's reckoning and they already issued an evacuation order to the UN so anything that happens at this point is the UN's fault.

I know none of this bothers sys, but if you are someone that is trying to follow this conflict and cares at all about the facts it is worth making sure they are known. 

https://www.ft.com/content/151eb482-6415-48a8-bf3f-baed00018c4e
   Israel launched a dozen attacks on UN troops in Lebanon, says leaked report
Confidential document says 15 peacekeepers injured by white phosphorus

A destroyed gate and wall at a UN military facility. The confidential report includes photos, pictured above and below, documenting the damage done to bunkers, perimeter walls and observation towers at several bases
Raya Jalabi in Beirut 5 HOURS AGO

Israel’s military forcibly entered a clearly marked UN base and is suspected of using the incendiary chemical white phosphorus close enough to injure 15 peacekeepers, according to a confidential report outlining a dozen recent incidents in which the IDF attacked international troops in Lebanon.

The report — prepared by a country that contributes troops, and seen by the Financial Times — underscores how Israeli troops have targeted Unifil, the UN-mandated force deployed along the de facto border between the countries, on multiple occasions. They have damaged several facilities and caused injuries to troops stationed at border posts in southern Lebanon. 

Unifil has called these incidents a “flagrant violation of international law”.

   Israel has rejected accusations that it has deliberately targeted Unifil since it launched its ground invasion into southern Lebanon in the early hours of October 1. The Israeli military had not responded to a request for comment by publication time.

Israel has also said that UN forces are being used as a human shield by Hizbollah fighters, which it is fighting near several Unifil posts along the border. It has demanded the UN evacuate its peacekeepers from southern Lebanon for their own safety. Unifil, and the 50 countries that contribute troops to its ranks, have unanimously refused.

   The attacks have drawn international condemnation. But Israel has stood firm. On Sunday, Unifil said an IDF bulldozer deliberately demolished an observation tower and perimeter fence of a UN position in Marwahin.

Unifil has made public most incidents referenced in the confidential report, but it provides further details and includes photographs documenting the extent of the damage done to bunkers that shelter troops, perimeter walls and observation towers at several bases.

While incidents in the first few days were mainly near UN positions, the report says Israeli forces began directly firing on to Unifil bases after October 8.

In one incident on October 10, two peacekeepers were injured when an IDF Merkava tank fired at an observation tower at the international force’s headquarters in Naqoura, directly hitting it and causing them to fall. 

A photograph in the report shows a large circular hole in the tower, which Richard Weir, a senior conflict and arms researcher at Human Rights Watch, said was consistent with direct fire.

In another incident on October 10, the IDF fired at a UN bunker where Italian peacekeepers had taken refuge in Labbouneh.

The report says that the bombardment of the entrance to the bunker happened after the IDF had conducted drone surveillance operations and destroyed the position’s cameras the day before. Photographs in the report show a large mound of debris tumbling under a hole in the corner of a building. 

An IDF Merkava tank fired at an observation tower, creating a large circular hole that caused it to fall

IDF fired several rounds about 100 metres north of a base, which emitted ‘smoke of suspected white phosphorus’ into the facility
In the early hours of October 13, Unifil said two IDF Merkava tanks broke through one base’s main gate. Following Unifil protests, the tanks left after 45 minutes. But within an hour, several rounds were fired about 100 metres north of the base, which emitted “smoke of suspected white phosphorus” that wafted into the base, the report said, injuring 15 peacekeepers.

Photographs in the report showed the tanks rolling over the gates and into the base, damaged perimeter walls and white smoke lingering throughout. 

The IDF acknowledged that one of its tanks had backed “several metres” into the Unifil post. But it said the tank was trying, under fire, to evacuate injured soldiers. The IDF added a smoke screen had been created to provide cover.

Even if clashes occurred in the area, those tanks “can withstand fire better than our position can. So if they were sheltering, it wasn’t for physical shelter,” said a Unifil source.

Rights groups have documented Israel’s use of white phosphorus in Lebanon throughout the past year. Its use is unlawful in populated areas under international law, but it is frequently used as a military tool to obscure, or as a weapon to smoke out opposing forces, Weir said.

Israel has previously defended its use of white phosphorus as consistent with international law.

[sonofdaxjones]

Some observers are saying that Israel doesn't have enough man power to fully take out Hamas in Gaza and fight Hezbollah in Lebanon . . . the power projection will have to come almost exclusively from the Israeli Air Force.

Meanwhile Tony Blinks is completely and utterly ineffectual up to this point, and this crap show administration is filled with appeasers for both sides.

[Kat Kid]

Some observers are saying that Israel doesn't have enough man power to fully take out Hamas in Gaza and fight Hezbollah in Lebanon . . . the power projection will have to come almost exclusively from the Israeli Air Force.

Meanwhile Tony Blinks is completely and utterly ineffectual up to this point, and this crap show administration is filled with appeasers for both sides.

It is fair to criticize the Biden admin policy however you want to assign out that blame for not taking a harder tack with Netanyahu. I don't believe that Blinken was capable of playing the hand he was dealt well, I don't think it matters much because this hand was unplayable. For one, Biden decided multiple times that he was not really going to ever withhold weapons from the Israelis even if they violated one of his "red lines" like going in to Rafa. At this point Netanyahu can basically do what he wants until the election and then even if he gets a Harris admin, I doubt much of substance changes.

Netanyahu's pressure looks like it will be internal. His popularity is tied to the war effort, right now he is on course to win re-election easily.

Netanyahu ultimately has to figure out if he can persist in the war indefinitely (or continue to expand its scope) or if he will need to resolve some of the goals of the war.

Without significantly increasing support from the US and other allies, the Israeli budget will necessitate austerity and the war is already causing some pain in the Israeli economy. Netanyahu will also need to resolve this crisis while appeasing his own admin's cabinet that explicitly wants to expel Palestinians from Gaza and re-settle it with Israelis. That will cause a big international stink that might be too much for even the US to sign off on.

Does anyone here think Kamala will come in and cut off weapons shipments? Demand a ceasefire or any consequence at all if there is not one? Demand Israel lay out their plans for a Palestinian state? Will the US even just stop Israel annexing land from Gaza, the West Bank, and Lebanon? The evidence so far is no.

If not, then the war continues for the forseeable future. Netanyahu's goal looks to be to involve the US more, to help him confront Iran militarily, to relieve the budgetary stress, to shore up the international/diplomatic support, to share the burden. So I think we can expect a continued expansion of this conflict.

[sonofdaxjones]

That's a very long winded way of affirming what I said about this crap show flaccid impotent and utterly amateurish administration when it comes to diplomacy.

It can only be "justified" in the sense that you have an administration filled with both Israeli and Iranian factions (with the Iranian side having family members deep inside the Iranian inner circle, and the likely leaker of recent documents) . . . and they are in a constant state of internal civil war.

[star seed 7]

Think how much more bloodthirsty Isreal can get once the "I hired John Bolton" guy gets in office and throws the full support of the American government behind them.

[sonofdaxjones]

John Bolton was fired.

Now you have an administration surrounded by John Bolton's.

When you're embarrassed by what your people are doing . . . bring up Don Trump: StalkerBot2000 and #blueanongE

[Kat Kid]

That's a very long winded way of affirming what I said about this crap show flaccid impotent and utterly amateurish administration when it comes to diplomacy.

It can only be "justified" in the sense that you have an administration filled with both Israeli and Iranian factions (with the Iranian side having family members deep inside the Iranian inner circle, and the likely leaker of recent documents) . . . and they are in a constant state of internal civil war.

Quite an accomplishment for an admin to be held by the sway of Israel and Iran at the same time. . . .

I guess only time will tell to see which one has greater influence!

[sonofdaxjones]

I think we've seen more than enough to affirm what I said.

From tarmac cash and a bailout of the Ayatollahs, to plane load after plane load of weapons landing in Israel.

[Kat Kid]

I think we've seen more than enough to affirm what I said.

From tarmac cash and a bailout of the Ayatollahs, to plane load after plane load of weapons landing in Israel.

On the one hand we gave tarmac cash to Iran. On the other hand we have sanctions against Iran, shoot down their missiles, bomb their proxies and provide billions of dollars worth of weapons, munitions, and direct cash and even troops on the soil of Israel to combat Iran.

I guess it really is impossible to call it heads or tails.

[sonofdaxjones]

KK - lifting of terrorist designations, tarmac cash, oil revenues, lifting of sanctions, diverted funds for Palestinians that they openly admit they can't assure didn't end up in the hands of Hamas . . . etc. etc.

"creative tension" is total bullshit, friend.

[Kat Kid]

KK - lifting of terrorist designations, tarmac cash, oil revenues, lifting of sanctions, diverted funds for Palestinians that they openly admit they can't assure didn't end up in the hands of Hamas . . . etc. etc.

"creative tension" is total bullshit, friend.

Just no possible way to say which country has more of the US' ear.

One country is a phone call away from casting a friendly veto on the UN security council.
The other country we have not had an embassy in since 1980.

That being said, behind the scenes, I'm sure it is much more complex.

[Kat Kid]

https://twitter.com/jewtastic/status/1848438591409819750?s=46&t=-jwPwnR3rKHM9sk9hA7h8g


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Well, uh, nevertheless I'm sure the IDF will provide additional proof at some future point.

https://www.bbc.com/news/videos/c9818n8v7d8o

[sonofdaxjones]

A reminder of the enemy within . . . all we're getting is cover ups and slow rolled FBI investigations, which is 1000% on brand for the uber corrupt crap show in the White House

https://www.semafor.com/article/09/25/2023/inside-irans-influence-operation

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/05/10/fbi-probes-iran-envoy-malley-classified-info-00157321

[Kat Kid]