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« Reply #250 on: June 02, 2014, 02:10:38 PM »
too many parents make it about themselves and try to live vicariously through the kid. sad, indeed.
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« Reply #251 on: June 06, 2014, 11:45:10 AM »
One of the many scarf-toting fans at the U.S.'s 2-0 victory over Mexico in Columbus, Ohio, in September. Photo: Getty Images
By Jonathan CleggGrowing up as a soccer fan in England, I've witnessed my fair share of horrors. I've seen shocking acts of violence, overheard hundreds of abusive chants and watched Pelé retire to sell erectile dysfunction pills.

Over the years, I've been angered, saddened and ashamed by these things. But through it all, my love for soccer remained undimmed.

But lately, I've discovered there's a new scourge on my beloved game that I simply cannot tolerate: Americans.

Understand that I'm not talking about the vast majority of you, who still regard soccer as a distinctly European product of dubious worth, like espadrilles or universal health care.

I don't begrudge fans here who have only recently awakened to the charms of what the rest of the world has long known as the beautiful game. Welcome to the party!

The problem is your soccer obsessives. By my reckoning, they may be the most derivative, excessive and utterly ridiculous collection of sports fans on the planet.

If you've ever stumbled across this tribe as they spill out of a bar on Saturday mornings after 90 minutes spent watching a game contested by two teams based thousands of miles away, you'll know the sort of fans I'm talking about.

They refer to the sport as "fútbol," hold long conversations about the finer points of the 4-4-2 formation and proudly drape team scarves around their necks even when the temperature outside is touching 90 degrees.

It is this band of soccer junkies who have turned the simple pleasure I used to derive from heading to a bar to watch a game into something more akin to undergoing root canal surgery.

It's not that they all have the same stories about study-abroad trips to Europe, or that they get wildly excited about the simplest saves, or even, for inexplicable reasons, that 90% of soccer fans in the U.S. seem to root for Arsenal.

My biggest gripe is that all of this feels like an elaborate affectation.

Instead of watching the game in the time-honored way of American sports fans—by thrusting a giant foam finger in the air, say, or devouring a large plate of Buffalo wings—your soccer fanatics have taken to aping the behavior of our fans from across the pond.

The scarves thing is an obvious example, but it's far from the only one. There's the self-conscious use of terms like "pitch," "match" and "kit," the songs lifted directly from English soccer stadiums, and even the appropriation of terrace couture.

On a recent weekend, I went to a bar to watch the UEFA Champions League final and found myself stationed next to a soccer fan wearing a replica Arsenal jersey, a team scarf around his neck and a pair of Dr. Martens lace-ups. He looked like he he'd been born and raised along the Holloway Road. In fact, he was from Virginia.

The whole thing seemed to be less an expression of genuine fandom and more like an elaborate piece of performance art. Didn't we fight a war so you guys wouldn't have to take cues on how to behave from London?

It should come as no surprise that the situation is particularly heinous in New York City. This is a town where artisanal toast is now a thing. So of course there's a peculiar species of fan here whose passion for soccer seems to be less about 22 men chasing a ball up and down a field and more about its intellectual and cosmopolitan qualities.

Never mind that no other sport is so linked to the working class. For these fans, rooting for an English soccer team is a highbrow pursuit and a mark of sophistication, like going to a Wes Anderson movie or owning a New Yorker subscription.

It's not just English soccer that's been fetishized in this way, of course. Your soccer snobs have pilfered elements of fan culture from Spain, Italy and Latin America. These days, half of your national team has been imported from Germany.

There's the curious obsession with 'tifo'—those enormous banners that are unfurled in stadiums before kickoff. They work at Lazio, Bayern Munich or Boca Juniors. At Real Salt Lake, not so much.

These soccer snobs are so intent on maintaining an aura of authenticity that when they make a slip-up or use an incorrect or ill-advised term, I feel compelled to pounce on them with all the force of a Roy Keane challenge.

There's no such position as outside back! (It is fullback.) The rest of the world doesn't call them PKs! (It is penalties. Just penalties.)

Not to mention the fact that your fans happily refer to Team USA captain Clint Dempsey by the nickname "Deuce." Deuce?! This is international soccer, not "Top Gun."

Ever since a ball was first kicked into a net, it has been an inviolable law of the game that Dempsey should be shortened to Demps. Just like Michael Bradley gets cut to Bradders, John Brooks to Brooksy and Jermaine Jones to Jonesy, or perhaps JJ, at a push. (For the record, Mix Diskerud can still be known as Mix Diskerud.)

The great regret about all this is that mimicking the customs of fans from everywhere else could hinder the development of your own American soccer identity.

One of the joys of soccer is seeing how different cultures view, interpret and celebrate the game in their own distinct ways.

I find it fascinating, for example, that while we see soccer as a broad narrative that unfolds over 90 minutes, your fans tend to think about the sport as a series of discrete events.

Or that I view the coming World Cup and England's inevitable failure with a mixture of trepidation and dread, while your fans seem positively excited about the tournament.

Mind you, with Team USA facing a potentially decisive matchup with Germany, there's a strong chance that your upbeat disposition won't last long. That is one lesson you can take from an Englishman.

Write to Jonathan Clegg at [email protected]

Jonathan Clegg Connect
http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-i-hate-american-soccer-fans-1402012291?tesla=y

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Re: Reasons soccer is kinda lame
« Reply #252 on: June 06, 2014, 12:07:32 PM »
what a miserable and idiotic prick. first off when it comes to sports and being a fan it is hilarious that anyone can be so judgmental. this eff and others like him can get off their high horse. this dude is talking out of both sides of his mouth, first he says stop trying to copy everyone and then he whines about us saying PKs and abbreviating names and giving nicnames. Then he is bashing Americans for taking bits and pieces from the soccer fandom from across the world, well guess what: America is the great melting pot and all that great stuff. I also do not see English fans getting all pissed off when they sell out 100k seat stadiums in Asia or Australia during preseason friendlies full of fans that identify with the team but this dude is having a spaz attack because people where scarves and jerseys from EPL teams?   

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« Reply #253 on: June 06, 2014, 12:11:28 PM »
that guy is spot on.  :thumbs:

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« Reply #254 on: June 06, 2014, 12:16:19 PM »
I'm not a fan of scarves.

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Re: Reasons soccer is kinda lame
« Reply #255 on: June 06, 2014, 12:17:05 PM »
that guy is spot on.  :thumbs:
yeah, he nailed it. i especially liked the part about soccer being working class. if you want culture in sports be a college football fan, it's an amateur sport at an academic institution. that isn't cultured enough? sorry, but it's rough ridin' sports and that's as good as it gets. quit making soccer out to be some higher form of sport, it isn't in any way.

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« Reply #256 on: June 06, 2014, 12:44:40 PM »
what a miserable and idiotic prick. first off when it comes to sports and being a fan it is hilarious that anyone can be so judgmental. this eff and others like him can get off their high horse. this dude is talking out of both sides of his mouth, first he says stop trying to copy everyone and then he whines about us saying PKs and abbreviating names and giving nicnames. Then he is bashing Americans for taking bits and pieces from the soccer fandom from across the world, well guess what: America is the great melting pot and all that great stuff. I also do not see English fans getting all pissed off when they sell out 100k seat stadiums in Asia or Australia during preseason friendlies full of fans that identify with the team but this dude is having a spaz attack because people where scarves and jerseys from EPL teams?   
every word of that article is true. there is no soul to soccer in america. it's just a bunch of copycat dorks.

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« Reply #257 on: June 06, 2014, 12:53:35 PM »
what a miserable and idiotic prick. first off when it comes to sports and being a fan it is hilarious that anyone can be so judgmental. this eff and others like him can get off their high horse. this dude is talking out of both sides of his mouth, first he says stop trying to copy everyone and then he whines about us saying PKs and abbreviating names and giving nicnames. Then he is bashing Americans for taking bits and pieces from the soccer fandom from across the world, well guess what: America is the great melting pot and all that great stuff. I also do not see English fans getting all pissed off when they sell out 100k seat stadiums in Asia or Australia during preseason friendlies full of fans that identify with the team but this dude is having a spaz attack because people where scarves and jerseys from EPL teams?   
every word of that article is true. there is no soul to soccer in america. it's just a bunch of copycat dorks.

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Re: Reasons soccer is kinda lame
« Reply #258 on: June 06, 2014, 02:05:06 PM »
When I want the hottest in #hotsportstakes I go straight to the Wall Street Journal :dubious:

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« Reply #259 on: June 06, 2014, 02:14:16 PM »
that guy is spot on.  :thumbs:
yeah, he nailed it. i especially liked the part about soccer being working class. if you want culture in sports be a college football fan, it's an amateur sport at an academic institution. that isn't cultured enough? sorry, but it's rough ridin' sports and that's as good as it gets. quit making soccer out to be some higher form of sport, it isn't in any way.

my favorite part was where he called us soccer fandom an elaborate piece of performance art. that was very good.

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« Reply #260 on: June 06, 2014, 02:17:31 PM »
I especially like when people who don't care about soccer make it a point to go out of their way to let everyone and their mother know that they don't care about soccer.

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« Reply #261 on: June 06, 2014, 02:28:08 PM »
I especially like when people who don't care about soccer make it a point to go out of their way to let everyone and their mother know that they don't care about soccer.

i don't see anybody here doing that, but that does sound kind of funny.  :thumbs:

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« Reply #262 on: June 06, 2014, 02:46:45 PM »
One of the many scarf-toting fans at the U.S.'s 2-0 victory over Mexico in Columbus, Ohio, in September. Photo: Getty Images
By Jonathan CleggGrowing up as a soccer fan in England, I've witnessed my fair share of horrors. I've seen shocking acts of violence, overheard hundreds of abusive chants and watched Pelé retire to sell erectile dysfunction pills.

Over the years, I've been angered, saddened and ashamed by these things. But through it all, my love for soccer remained undimmed.

But lately, I've discovered there's a new scourge on my beloved game that I simply cannot tolerate: Americans.

Understand that I'm not talking about the vast majority of you, who still regard soccer as a distinctly European product of dubious worth, like espadrilles or universal health care.

I don't begrudge fans here who have only recently awakened to the charms of what the rest of the world has long known as the beautiful game. Welcome to the party!

The problem is your soccer obsessives. By my reckoning, they may be the most derivative, excessive and utterly ridiculous collection of sports fans on the planet.

If you've ever stumbled across this tribe as they spill out of a bar on Saturday mornings after 90 minutes spent watching a game contested by two teams based thousands of miles away, you'll know the sort of fans I'm talking about.

They refer to the sport as "fútbol," hold long conversations about the finer points of the 4-4-2 formation and proudly drape team scarves around their necks even when the temperature outside is touching 90 degrees.

It is this band of soccer junkies who have turned the simple pleasure I used to derive from heading to a bar to watch a game into something more akin to undergoing root canal surgery.

It's not that they all have the same stories about study-abroad trips to Europe, or that they get wildly excited about the simplest saves, or even, for inexplicable reasons, that 90% of soccer fans in the U.S. seem to root for Arsenal.

My biggest gripe is that all of this feels like an elaborate affectation.

Instead of watching the game in the time-honored way of American sports fans—by thrusting a giant foam finger in the air, say, or devouring a large plate of Buffalo wings—your soccer fanatics have taken to aping the behavior of our fans from across the pond.

The scarves thing is an obvious example, but it's far from the only one. There's the self-conscious use of terms like "pitch," "match" and "kit," the songs lifted directly from English soccer stadiums, and even the appropriation of terrace couture.

On a recent weekend, I went to a bar to watch the UEFA Champions League final and found myself stationed next to a soccer fan wearing a replica Arsenal jersey, a team scarf around his neck and a pair of Dr. Martens lace-ups. He looked like he he'd been born and raised along the Holloway Road. In fact, he was from Virginia.

The whole thing seemed to be less an expression of genuine fandom and more like an elaborate piece of performance art. Didn't we fight a war so you guys wouldn't have to take cues on how to behave from London?

It should come as no surprise that the situation is particularly heinous in New York City. This is a town where artisanal toast is now a thing. So of course there's a peculiar species of fan here whose passion for soccer seems to be less about 22 men chasing a ball up and down a field and more about its intellectual and cosmopolitan qualities.

Never mind that no other sport is so linked to the working class. For these fans, rooting for an English soccer team is a highbrow pursuit and a mark of sophistication, like going to a Wes Anderson movie or owning a New Yorker subscription.

It's not just English soccer that's been fetishized in this way, of course. Your soccer snobs have pilfered elements of fan culture from Spain, Italy and Latin America. These days, half of your national team has been imported from Germany.

There's the curious obsession with 'tifo'—those enormous banners that are unfurled in stadiums before kickoff. They work at Lazio, Bayern Munich or Boca Juniors. At Real Salt Lake, not so much.

These soccer snobs are so intent on maintaining an aura of authenticity that when they make a slip-up or use an incorrect or ill-advised term, I feel compelled to pounce on them with all the force of a Roy Keane challenge.

There's no such position as outside back! (It is fullback.) The rest of the world doesn't call them PKs! (It is penalties. Just penalties.)

Not to mention the fact that your fans happily refer to Team USA captain Clint Dempsey by the nickname "Deuce." Deuce?! This is international soccer, not "Top Gun."

Ever since a ball was first kicked into a net, it has been an inviolable law of the game that Dempsey should be shortened to Demps. Just like Michael Bradley gets cut to Bradders, John Brooks to Brooksy and Jermaine Jones to Jonesy, or perhaps JJ, at a push. (For the record, Mix Diskerud can still be known as Mix Diskerud.)

The great regret about all this is that mimicking the customs of fans from everywhere else could hinder the development of your own American soccer identity.

One of the joys of soccer is seeing how different cultures view, interpret and celebrate the game in their own distinct ways.

I find it fascinating, for example, that while we see soccer as a broad narrative that unfolds over 90 minutes, your fans tend to think about the sport as a series of discrete events.

Or that I view the coming World Cup and England's inevitable failure with a mixture of trepidation and dread, while your fans seem positively excited about the tournament.

Mind you, with Team USA facing a potentially decisive matchup with Germany, there's a strong chance that your upbeat disposition won't last long. That is one lesson you can take from an Englishman.

Write to Jonathan Clegg at [email protected]

Jonathan Clegg Connect
http://online.wsj.com/articles/why-i-hate-american-soccer-fans-1402012291?tesla=y

So the Wall Street Journal has resorted to trolling, pretty depressing day for the media. So essentially this guy thinks US Soccer fans are poseurs so he and his editors thought it would be cool to unfavorably compare a group of people who imitates Europeans to racism? Fantastic. I hurt for the WSJ and the media when a internet troll gets a column in the most esteemed newspaper in America.

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Re: Reasons soccer is kinda lame
« Reply #263 on: June 06, 2014, 03:02:52 PM »
i've been to sporting matches before.  posers everywhere.

it doesn't get anymore posery than the "I believe" song. 

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« Reply #264 on: June 06, 2014, 03:16:09 PM »
Thing is if we had our "own style" (whatever that even means) the Brits/Europeans would call us stupid Americans who know nothing about the sport, so honestly they can eff right off.

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« Reply #265 on: June 06, 2014, 03:16:55 PM »
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« Reply #266 on: June 06, 2014, 03:52:39 PM »
Thing is if we had our "own style" (whatever that even means) the Brits/Europeans would call us stupid Americans who know nothing about the sport, so honestly they can eff right off.

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« Reply #267 on: June 06, 2014, 04:05:52 PM »

Guys I thought of another reason why soccer is kinda lame. Exhibitions in the middle of the season just for the heck of it. I mean, what's the deal with that?

nobody does exhibitions in the middle of the season though.  there's no real continuity for national teams - this is basically the preseason to "world cup" in the short term.  most of the big leagues just finished their seasons a little while back

What about when SKC plays Manchester in July

I think it would be pretty cool if the Royals would just pack up and play in some tournament overseas most Augusts. At least they wouldn't be mathematically eliminated from winning something.

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« Reply #268 on: June 06, 2014, 04:26:20 PM »

Guys I thought of another reason why soccer is kinda lame. Exhibitions in the middle of the season just for the heck of it. I mean, what's the deal with that?

nobody does exhibitions in the middle of the season though.  there's no real continuity for national teams - this is basically the preseason to "world cup" in the short term.  most of the big leagues just finished their seasons a little while back

What about when SKC plays Manchester in July

I think it would be pretty cool if the Royals would just pack up and play in some tournament overseas most Augusts. At least they wouldn't be mathematically eliminated from winning something.

All soccer arguments end the same way: Point out the ineptitude of the Royals.

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« Reply #269 on: June 06, 2014, 04:27:58 PM »

Guys I thought of another reason why soccer is kinda lame. Exhibitions in the middle of the season just for the heck of it. I mean, what's the deal with that?

nobody does exhibitions in the middle of the season though.  there's no real continuity for national teams - this is basically the preseason to "world cup" in the short term.  most of the big leagues just finished their seasons a little while back

What about when SKC plays Manchester in July

I think it would be pretty cool if the Royals would just pack up and play in some tournament overseas most Augusts. At least they wouldn't be mathematically eliminated from winning something.

All soccer arguments end the same way: Point out the ineptitude of the Royals.

Serious post, though. Just take a week out of August for some of the MLB teams to have a tournament with other foreign professional ball teams. It would give us some meaningful baseball to watch.

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« Reply #270 on: June 06, 2014, 04:30:26 PM »

Guys I thought of another reason why soccer is kinda lame. Exhibitions in the middle of the season just for the heck of it. I mean, what's the deal with that?

nobody does exhibitions in the middle of the season though.  there's no real continuity for national teams - this is basically the preseason to "world cup" in the short term.  most of the big leagues just finished their seasons a little while back

What about when SKC plays Manchester in July

I think it would be pretty cool if the Royals would just pack up and play in some tournament overseas most Augusts. At least they wouldn't be mathematically eliminated from winning something.

All soccer arguments end the same way: Point out the ineptitude of the Royals.

Serious post, though. Just take a week out of August for some of the MLB teams to have a tournament with other foreign professional ball teams. It would give us some meaningful baseball to watch.

Pass. All the good teams are right here in America. All the best players play right here.

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« Reply #271 on: June 06, 2014, 04:49:18 PM »
I can't wait 'till dobberjr. has the opportunity to kick that dude in the balls' sack.


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« Reply #272 on: June 06, 2014, 05:02:58 PM »
that guy is spot on.  :thumbs:

yup.  reading that it was like describing sunnycat to a t
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« Reply #273 on: June 06, 2014, 05:10:23 PM »
that guy is spot on.  :thumbs:

yup.  reading that it was like describing sunnycat to a t

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« Reply #274 on: June 06, 2014, 05:52:11 PM »
I love soccer because there are lots of things about it that make me happy. End of it. : )