Avian carnage . .

[CNS]

In the near future, the gas tax is going to be zero and everyone will be taxed based upon mileage. That is a much more fair and reasonable than the gas tax and I'm all for it.

I don't think this is a good idea. What is the incentive to buy a fuel efficient vehicle if you are taxed on miles driven and not the amount of fuel you burn?

I think what liberals really want is a gas tax AND a miles driven tax. I don't see them ever getting rid a any tax.

Here in Austin, we've been dealing with drought for several years.  The city launched a massive campaign to influence citizens to curb their water use.  The campaign worked.  In fact, it worked so well that the water department is in the red, because people are paying for less water.  The solution?  A drought tax, of course.

Taxes never go away.

Holy crap.  How do they just not charge more for the water per unit since it is scarce?

[Dugout DickStone]

It would be almost impossible to turn the United States into the "Middle East" of green energy using the most popular and highly inefficient "green" energy production sources.

Oh hey, it's me, solar road.

http://www.engadget.com/2014/05/09/solar-highway-indiegogo/?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000589

[sys]

BTW the 700K birds a year is considered by environmental groups to be way low, they believe the number is much higher and their biggest concern is birds-of-prey who like to soar the skies in areas where these inefficient "green" energy platforms are being built looking for prey.

Pointing to other calamities or the predation by the overpopulation of domestic felines is immaterial to the discussion.

ladies and gentlemen, mr. dax jones.

[EMAWican]

BTW the 700K birds a year is considered by environmental groups to be way low, they believe the number is much higher and their biggest concern is birds-of-prey who like to soar the skies in areas where these inefficient "green" energy platforms are being built looking for prey.

Pointing to other calamities or the predation by the overpopulation of domestic felines is immaterial to the discussion.

ladies and gentlemen, mr. dax jones.

[sonofdaxjones]

Really a fantastic talking point by me.

In addition, I am still getting a good  about the concept of turning the U.S. into the "green energy middle east" . . . let's just say that a bajillion gajillion metric tons of carbons will be needed in order to make that happen.   Carbon offset on that factored in the . . . centuries?

[Katpappy]

so what you're saying is that we should spend more subsidies on oil production and R&D because it's the most efficient.

I'm not an economist.  I just think we (the government) shouldn't be too heavy handed with green subsidies to the point where they are artificially equal to or cheaper than fossil fuels for consumers. Even worse would be if we did this suddenly and drastically.  First, that's a huge chunk of change that would come from our taxes (somehow).  Secondly, we would see people ditching fossil fuel for cheaper, green alternatives, which sounds like a good thing until you realize all of the public programs that are funded through taxing energy consumption.  Just the other week Obama was discussing how we needed to raise the gas tax because we don't have enough money to build/maintain roads because people are now driving (gasp) cars that are too efficient.  Same concept if we massively subsidize green energy and make it cheaper than fossil fuels.  Not only are we paying for those subsidies, but there would be a double whammy of having to pay more/new taxes to make up for revenue not collected from fossil fuels.

In the near future, the gas tax is going to be zero and everyone will be taxed based upon mileage. That is a much more fair and reasonable than the gas tax and I'm all for it.

I read something about this, and it seems with all the different means of technology such as electric, natural gas, propane, solar, exc..., taxing fuel would not be fair for fossil fuel travel methods.

[Katpappy]

Tax should be based on tolls to drive on all interstate roads.  The tolls should be based on weight and no. of axles per vehicle.   Also a tax based on miles added when selling, going to local treasurer.

[Emo EMAW]

http://www.realclearenergy.org/charticles/2014/05/09/wind_collapses_without_tax_subsidy.html

[puniraptor]

would obesity collapse without agriculture subsidy? food for another thread?

[Rage Against the McKee]

would obesity collapse without agriculture subsidy? food for another thread?

I think it probably would, but starvation would rise.

[Kat Kid]

In the near future, the gas tax is going to be zero and everyone will be taxed based upon mileage. That is a much more fair and reasonable than the gas tax and I'm all for it.

I don't think this is a good idea. What is the incentive to buy a fuel efficient vehicle if you are taxed on miles driven and not the amount of fuel you burn?

I think what liberals really want is a gas tax AND a miles driven tax. I don't see them ever getting rid a any tax.

Here in Austin, we've been dealing with drought for several years.  The city launched a massive campaign to influence citizens to curb their water use.  The campaign worked.  In fact, it worked so well that the water department is in the red, because people are paying for less water.  The solution?  A drought tax, of course.

Taxes never go away.

You neglect to mention that tons of people just drilled their own wells and stopped using city water and kept their lawns green.

[Spracne]

In the near future, the gas tax is going to be zero and everyone will be taxed based upon mileage. That is a much more fair and reasonable than the gas tax and I'm all for it.

I don't think this is a good idea. What is the incentive to buy a fuel efficient vehicle if you are taxed on miles driven and not the amount of fuel you burn?

I think what liberals really want is a gas tax AND a miles driven tax. I don't see them ever getting rid a any tax.

Here in Austin, we've been dealing with drought for several years.  The city launched a massive campaign to influence citizens to curb their water use.  The campaign worked.  In fact, it worked so well that the water department is in the red, because people are paying for less water.  The solution?  A drought tax, of course.

Taxes never go away.

You neglect to mention that tons of people just drilled their own wells and stopped using city water and kept their lawns green.

Well yeah, who wouldn't want a bonnie green St. Augustine lawn?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Because drilling a water well is free and has a 100% success rate.

[sys]

private animal killing businesses can't compete with obama's avian carnage.


http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/18/4994110/federal-wildlife-services-makes.html

[SdK]

Disgusting.

[Cire]

private animal killing businesses can't compete with obama's avian carnage.


http://www.sacbee.com/2012/11/18/4994110/federal-wildlife-services-makes.html

Sounds like the private animal killing businesses need a better business plan.

[Panjandrum]

Alright, can we make some of those deer whistle things you put on cars, but for birds, and glue them to windmills?

Problem solved!

[puniraptor]

dax, who do you love beating the crap out of more:  green energy or KU financials?

[Emo EMAW]

So the WSJ runs a story about sage grouse on the front page, tells us they're endangered, but never tells us why.   

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579546044100811388?KEYWORDS=grouse&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579546044100811388.html%3FKEYWORDS%3Dgrouse

[Dugout DickStone]

So the WSJ runs a story about sage grouse on the front page, tells us they're endangered, but never tells us why.   

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579546044100811388?KEYWORDS=grouse&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579546044100811388.html%3FKEYWORDS%3Dgrouse

WSJ is in the pocket of Big Grouse

[michigancat]

So the WSJ runs a story about sage grouse on the front page, tells us they're endangered, but never tells us why.   

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702303417104579546044100811388?KEYWORDS=grouse&mg=reno64-wsj&url=http%3A%2F%2Fonline.wsj.com%2Farticle%2FSB10001424052702303417104579546044100811388.html%3FKEYWORDS%3Dgrouse

It's to feed the land and energy needs of suburban dwellers who take up more land and energy than they need

[Emo EMAW]

Jeez I serve a softball up to you hippies and the squeeze is on and you forget to swing.   

Pro-tip:  it's not wind (or suburban development) killing the sage grouse.  It's O&G and probably some disease and overgrazing.

[Dugout DickStone]

Jeez I serve a softball up to you hippies and the squeeze is on and you forget to swing.   

Pro-tip:  it's not wind (or suburban development) killing the sage grouse.  It's O&G and probably some disease and overgrazing.

That's my point.  WSJ won't point the blame where it belongs, at the stupid grouse. 

[CNS]

Big Religion is subsidizing BigO&G through their control of the 'pubs so that they can kill the grouse and then hold it up as proof that evolution isn't real since the grouse failed to evolve.  Boom, Intelligent Design in Science class!

[ben ji]

I came here to post that I almost hit a hawk/eagle on the highway today, he was munching on some roadkill in the median then started to take off across the highway. If I did not slow down there would of been Avian Carnage all up in my grill.


Also, reading this thread for the first time I found it pretty funny that Emo was complaining about Wind Engery/O&G killing so many birds that there are very few left for him to kill.