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Re: Game of Thrones thread for people who enjoy both the show and books
« Reply #525 on: February 03, 2016, 09:16:59 AM »
you could be reading the wrong book. it's called A Dance with Dragons and it's pretty well regarded as a solid #2 in the series behind a storm of swords. just be patient

Yes, Tyrion has really peaked my interest asking the same question 18 million times. I mean, where do whores go?
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« Reply #526 on: February 03, 2016, 10:08:44 AM »
iirc michigancat loved that part

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« Reply #527 on: March 11, 2016, 03:52:44 PM »
Finished Book 5. For now my read is ended...

I liked it. Most of it. I'm really bored/annoyed by the entire Danny plot. Don't care about all her, don't care about all the Mereen stuff. Can't even keep the names straight and don't care enough to figure them out. Just kill her off already.

But otherwise, pretty awesome.

I'm glad the series simplified the Essos stuff. It was also probably the right decision to simplify the North stuff, even though I'm glad Stan is still alive. He's also not nearly as much of a POS in the books. So now Theon's gonna rat out the Umber betrayal, which should be good. Maybe he'll actually kill Bolton.

Oh I forgot - also kinda hate the Iron Islands crap with the brothers, but I like the girl. I'm glad the series kept her and ditched them.

So little Aegon's going to important. And that might be pretty cool. I guess this is where the series is really going to diverge.
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« Reply #528 on: March 14, 2016, 07:29:52 PM »
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In a refreshingly frank and foul-mouthed interview, the 73-year-old actor ranted about his time filming for series six, saying he finds fans’ obsession with spoilers very frustrating.
It seems that while he enjoyed his ‘great’ HBO show Deadwood, he’s not all that bothered about the epic fantasy drama at all and is glad his character only appears in one episode.
He told The Telegraph: ‘You say the slightest thing and the internet goes ape. I was accused of giving the plot away, but I just think, “Get a rough ridin' life”. It’s only tits and dragons.

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« Reply #529 on: March 15, 2016, 09:00:51 AM »
I watched my very first episode yesterday evening.  The friend who recommended it convinced me to give it a try.  I want to watch more.  Going to binge over the next week or two and see where it takes me. 

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« Reply #530 on: March 15, 2016, 09:17:02 AM »
I watched my very first episode yesterday evening.  The friend who recommended it convinced me to give it a try.  I want to watch more.  Going to binge over the next week or two and see where it takes me.

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« Reply #531 on: March 15, 2016, 10:07:01 AM »
I watched my very first episode yesterday evening.  The friend who recommended it convinced me to give it a try.  I want to watch more.  Going to binge over the next week or two and see where it takes me.

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« Reply #532 on: May 01, 2016, 10:06:30 PM »
Tower of joy in the preview for next week  :Wha: :Woot:
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« Reply #533 on: May 02, 2016, 09:19:44 AM »
lady stone cat: yea or nay?

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« Reply #534 on: May 02, 2016, 09:20:26 AM »
I feel asleep during the epi last night.  :frown:

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« Reply #535 on: May 02, 2016, 10:57:15 PM »
That was a pretty fantastic episode!
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« Reply #536 on: May 02, 2016, 10:58:28 PM »
during it i was rolling my eyes pretty hard, but reflecting on it, it was very enjoyable
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« Reply #537 on: May 02, 2016, 11:08:58 PM »
during it i was rolling my eyes pretty hard, but reflecting on it, it was very enjoyable

Weren't you just bitching about spoilers in the other thread? Get out of here.

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« Reply #538 on: May 02, 2016, 11:09:34 PM »
i go where i like.

and there's a reason i knew it was a spoiler, dur
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« Reply #539 on: May 02, 2016, 11:10:32 PM »
during it i was rolling my eyes pretty hard, but reflecting on it, it was very enjoyable

What were you rolling your eyes at? The Tyrion stuff is pretty weak so far but otherwise pretty awesome?
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« Reply #540 on: May 02, 2016, 11:12:26 PM »
roose's death, waldas death, balon/euron, more that i don't remember right now
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« Reply #541 on: May 03, 2016, 06:52:40 AM »
roose's death, waldas death, balon/euron, more that i don't remember right now

Don't those things seem pretty likely to happen in next book, or seems likely to have happened? That's a hell of a coincidence that Euron showed up almost exactly when Balon died.
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« Reply #542 on: May 03, 2016, 07:13:15 AM »
I want the next book God damn it


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« Reply #543 on: May 03, 2016, 08:16:18 AM »
roose's death, waldas death, balon/euron, more that i don't remember right now

Don't those things seem pretty likely to happen in next book, or seems likely to have happened? That's a hell of a coincidence that Euron showed up almost exactly when Balon died.

He's probably going to wait to show his face until the King's Moot and just say that's why he came...

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« Reply #544 on: May 03, 2016, 08:19:48 AM »
Are you trying to tell me that MR is Jon's twin sister just because she has a long horse face like Lyanna?

I'm moving this discussion here so that lib doesn't throw a fit even though it is all speculation that doesn't ruin the show at this point.

Meera Reed isn't a bastard, which means that if she really is Jon's twin sister then Howland Reed's wife was in on the cover up. Are you telling me that Ned was ok with Howland telling his wife the truth but didn't himself tell Catelyn?

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« Reply #545 on: May 03, 2016, 09:51:04 AM »
Are you trying to tell me that MR is Jon's twin sister just because she has a long horse face like Lyanna?

I'm moving this discussion here so that lib doesn't throw a fit even though it is all speculation that doesn't ruin the show at this point.

Meera Reed isn't a bastard, which means that if she really is Jon's twin sister then Howland Reed's wife was in on the cover up. Are you telling me that Ned was ok with Howland telling his wife the truth but didn't himself tell Catelyn?

The Crannogmen are a weird, isolated, and mysterious people. Do you really think it's such a stretch that Howland's wife would aid in the cover up to protect the baby? I don't think that's a stretch at all. And don't you think it's kind of significant that GRRM has made the Crannogmen so weird, isolated, and mysterious? I think there is a reason for that.

All the writing about the Tower of Joy, Howland Reed being Ned's friend and only other person to leave the Tower of Joy alive (aside from the twins), the tourney at Harrenhall, the same age of Meera and Jon - that's not all a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence that HBO cast Meera to look like Jon's twin.

And I don't think it is a coincidence that GRRM ended one chapter talking about Rhaegar dying "at the Trident" and the very next page opening with Meera fishing with a trident (I'm taking credit for that discovery btw because I haven't seen it discussed anywhere else).
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« Reply #546 on: May 03, 2016, 10:06:04 AM »
Are you trying to tell me that MR is Jon's twin sister just because she has a long horse face like Lyanna?

I'm moving this discussion here so that lib doesn't throw a fit even though it is all speculation that doesn't ruin the show at this point.

Meera Reed isn't a bastard, which means that if she really is Jon's twin sister then Howland Reed's wife was in on the cover up. Are you telling me that Ned was ok with Howland telling his wife the truth but didn't himself tell Catelyn?

The Crannogmen are a weird, isolated, and mysterious people. Do you really think it's such a stretch that Howland's wife would aid in the cover up to protect the baby? I don't think that's a stretch at all. And don't you think it's kind of significant that GRRM has made the Crannogmen so weird, isolated, and mysterious? I think there is a reason for that.

All the writing about the Tower of Joy, Howland Reed being Ned's friend and only other person to leave the Tower of Joy alive (aside from the twins), the tourney at Harrenhall, the same age of Meera and Jon - that's not all a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence that HBO cast Meera to look like Jon's twin.

And I don't think it is a coincidence that GRRM ended one chapter talking about Rhaegar dying "at the Trident" and the very next page opening with Meera fishing with a trident (I'm taking credit for that discovery btw because I haven't seen it discussed anywhere else).

No, I don't think it is a stretch at all that Howland's wife would be willing to protect a baby. I am saying, why would Ned be ok with Howland telling his wife about the cover-up when Ned wasn't even willing to tell his own wife? Ned would have known that Howland told his wife because Meera was presented as their child. So Ned trusted his friend and friend's wife more than he trusted his own wife (who be all accounts he actually loved and was loyal to)? Jon could have had a better life (relationship with Catelyn) if Ned would have told Catelyn the truth. But instead he was so intent on keeping the secret that he sacrificed a bit of all of their relationships.

It all fits except Ned's inconsistency on this point.

What happened at the Tourney at Harrenhall that is significant to this theory? I can't remember.

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« Reply #547 on: May 03, 2016, 11:23:34 AM »
Are you trying to tell me that MR is Jon's twin sister just because she has a long horse face like Lyanna?

I'm moving this discussion here so that lib doesn't throw a fit even though it is all speculation that doesn't ruin the show at this point.

Meera Reed isn't a bastard, which means that if she really is Jon's twin sister then Howland Reed's wife was in on the cover up. Are you telling me that Ned was ok with Howland telling his wife the truth but didn't himself tell Catelyn?

The Crannogmen are a weird, isolated, and mysterious people. Do you really think it's such a stretch that Howland's wife would aid in the cover up to protect the baby? I don't think that's a stretch at all. And don't you think it's kind of significant that GRRM has made the Crannogmen so weird, isolated, and mysterious? I think there is a reason for that.

All the writing about the Tower of Joy, Howland Reed being Ned's friend and only other person to leave the Tower of Joy alive (aside from the twins), the tourney at Harrenhall, the same age of Meera and Jon - that's not all a coincidence.

It's not a coincidence that HBO cast Meera to look like Jon's twin.

And I don't think it is a coincidence that GRRM ended one chapter talking about Rhaegar dying "at the Trident" and the very next page opening with Meera fishing with a trident (I'm taking credit for that discovery btw because I haven't seen it discussed anywhere else).

No, I don't think it is a stretch at all that Howland's wife would be willing to protect a baby. I am saying, why would Ned be ok with Howland telling his wife about the cover-up when Ned wasn't even willing to tell his own wife? Ned would have known that Howland told his wife because Meera was presented as their child. So Ned trusted his friend and friend's wife more than he trusted his own wife (who be all accounts he actually loved and was loyal to)? Jon could have had a better life (relationship with Catelyn) if Ned would have told Catelyn the truth. But instead he was so intent on keeping the secret that he sacrificed a bit of all of their relationships.

It all fits except Ned's inconsistency on this point.

What happened at the Tourney at Harrenhall that is significant to this theory? I can't remember.

I don't think the differing decisions of Ned and Howland would be that surprising at all. Two reasons:
1. They lead very different lives. The Starks are Lord and Lady of Winterfell. Not so easy to fake a pregnancy or keep a secret when you're constantly surrounded by and interacting with other people. By contrast, the Reeds live on some sort of floating island in a swamp. They're hanging out with Yoda or something. A lot easier to claim Meera as their own. The Crannogmen keep to themselves.
2. Ned made a "promise" to his sister. It's repeated about a dozen times in the books. That promise was almost certainly to never reveal the lineage of the twins. But Howland didn't make that promise - Ned did. So whereas the promise would be sufficient for Ned to lie about having a bastard (and boy did that promise weigh heavy on him), Reed could tell his wife.

Nothing happened at Harrenhall that directly supports the theory. But GRRM including Reed as a prominent character in the story about the Tourney, and Jojen going to great pains to tell Bran about the Tourney and his surprise that Ned never told Bran about it, doesn't seem like mere happenstance. It seems that Howland Reed is important to the story, and yet GRRM keeps him shrouded in mystery. Meera seems like the logical reason for that.

Finally, it seems more than a little convenient that Meera is accompanying Bran on his vision quest as he begins to uncover Jon's true lineage. Meera is wondering how she fits into all this and she's about to find out.
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« Reply #548 on: May 03, 2016, 11:35:40 AM »
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1. They lead very different lives. The Starks are Lord and Lady of Winterfell. Not so easy to fake a pregnancy or keep a secret when you're constantly surrounded by and interacting with other people. By contrast, the Reeds live on some sort of floating island in a swamp. They're hanging out with Yoda or something. A lot easier to claim Meera as their own. The Crannogmen keep to themselves.

I get this. But even if they were presenting Jon as a bastard, Ned could have still told Catelyn the truth so she wouldn't hate Jon and treat him like crap.

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2. Ned made a "promise" to his sister. It's repeated about a dozen times in the books. That promise was almost certainly to never reveal the lineage of the twins. But Howland didn't make that promise - Ned did. So whereas the promise would be sufficient for Ned to lie about having a bastard (and boy did that promise weigh heavy on him), Reed could tell his wife.

OK, maybe. But Ned revealed it to Howland (which would be breaking the promise) or else Howland was there too when she said not to reveal the parentage.

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Nothing happened at Harrenhall that directly supports the theory. But GRRM including Reed as a prominent character in the story about the Tourney, and Jojen going to great pains to tell Bran about the Tourney and his surprise that Ned never told Bran about it, doesn't seem like mere happenstance. It seems that Howland Reed is important to the story, and yet GRRM keeps him shrouded in mystery. Meera seems like the logical reason for that.

Finally, it seems more than a little convenient that Meera is accompanying Bran on his vision quest as he begins to uncover Jon's true lineage. Meera is wondering how she fits into all this and she's about to find out.

GRRM has said that Howland Reed will show up eventually; so I do not doubt that he is somehow important.

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« Reply #549 on: May 03, 2016, 12:45:06 PM »
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1. They lead very different lives. The Starks are Lord and Lady of Winterfell. Not so easy to fake a pregnancy or keep a secret when you're constantly surrounded by and interacting with other people. By contrast, the Reeds live on some sort of floating island in a swamp. They're hanging out with Yoda or something. A lot easier to claim Meera as their own. The Crannogmen keep to themselves.

I get this. But even if they were presenting Jon as a bastard, Ned could have still told Catelyn the truth so she wouldn't hate Jon and treat him like crap.

I hear you. But one could argue that Catelyn hating Jon and treating him like crap was a necessary part of the coverup. We're talking about Catelyn Tully here - Mrs. "Duty to House Above All Else". If she's all sweet to Jon, don't you think that would raise suspicions?

One clear theme of these books is that notions like "honor" are murky at best. I think it's pretty clear from reading the books that Ned feels extremely burdened by the strain of keeping his promise by lying to his wife.
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