Hillary LOL (f/k/a Hillary Clinton Indictment Watch f/k/a Hillary 2016?)

[ednksu]

every politician in the history of the world has an email they use to avoid FOI

Non issue

Not an issue for Reno or KSUW when Brownback does it though....

[ednksu]

Thank you for clarifying but wasn't a large portion of the Benghazi investigation related to e-mails? Are they not one and the same?

Oh I see what you're saying. Yeah, it was discovered that Hillary exclusively used a private server as a result of doc requests during the Benghazi investigation. But no, I wouldn't say they're one and the same.

Can you point to an email that specifically states "hey guies, hit my gmail to male genitals block dem FOIA hits because Benghazi" or something like that.

This stuff is gold! To Edna, there's no proof Clinton set up a private server to evade FOIA requests unless she expressly admitted it.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/01/07/clintons-private-email-account-exploits-foia-loophole-report-says.html

EXCLUSIVE: Hillary Clinton’s unorthodox use of a private email account and personal server for government business exploited a loophole in the State Department's FOIA, or Freedom of Information Act, process, according to the findings of the first Inspector General report to stem from her email scandal.

Congress asked the Office of Inspector General, the State Department's independent watchdog, to investigate the issue following the revelation that Mrs. Clinton did not use a government email account while secretary of state.

Fox News reviewed the 25-page report and its findings before they were made publicly available.

The report reads in part:

"FOIA neither authorizes nor requires agencies to search for Federal records in personal email accounts maintained on private servers or through commercial providers (for example Gmail, Yahoo, and Hotmail.)  Furthermore, the FOIA Analyst has no way to independently locate Federal records from such accounts unless employees take steps to preserve official emails in Department record keeping systems.”

The report strongly suggests that it relies on employees at all levels to follow the regulations, and when personal email is used, to forward copies to a State Department account so that it can be captured.

"Under current law and Department policy, employees who use personal email to conduct official business are required to forward or copy email from a personal account to their respective Department accounts within 20 Days.” 

Clinton did not have a State Department email address to which she could forward message traffic from her personal account, and it remains unclear whether she provided all her State Department business emails to the State Department or federal courts, where FOIA lawsuits have been filed.

So you're saying you made up the part where she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings.  Good to know facts and truth are relative. 

I'll await your next purely dogmaticly drive "truth" or "fact" based entirely in your reality.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

every politician in the history of the world has an email they use to avoid FOI

Non issue

Not an issue for Reno or KSUW when Brownback does it though....

Oh did Brownback have access to classified info?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So you're saying you made up the part where she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings.  Good to know facts and truth are relative. 

I'll await your next purely dogmaticly drive "truth" or "fact" based entirely in your reality.

Edna, you're crazy is showing. Zip it up. I never said "she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings." Her use of the private server well predates Benghazi.

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I'd like to point out the "all politicians do this to evade the foia" is at best unsubstantiated, and really false juxtaposition from the usual libtard apologists.

We're talking about highly classified military information, not some account Jeb (not subject to foia) used to receive porn and manage his fantasy golf team.

[ednksu]

So you're saying you made up the part where she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings.  Good to know facts and truth are relative. 

I'll await your next purely dogmaticly drive "truth" or "fact" based entirely in your reality.

Edna, you're crazy is showing. Zip it up. I never said "she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings." Her use of the private server well predates Benghazi.

Yeah, it was discovered that Hillary exclusively used a private server as a result of doc requests during the Benghazi investigation.

You can't even keep the facts straight in your posts.

[ednksu]

I'd like to point out the "all politicians do this to evade the foia" is at best unsubstantiated, and really false juxtaposition from the usual libtard apologists.

We're talking about highly classified military information, not some account Jeb (not subject to foia) used to receive porn and manage his fantasy golf team.

The fact that you guys can't even keep an internal narrative is funny.  Also great that you don't understand questioning your narratives isn't an endorsement of another position.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So you're saying you made up the part where she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings.  Good to know facts and truth are relative. 

I'll await your next purely dogmaticly drive "truth" or "fact" based entirely in your reality.

Edna, you're crazy is showing. Zip it up. I never said "she specifically used a private email server to get around Benghazi hearings." Her use of the private server well predates Benghazi.

Yeah, it was discovered that Hillary exclusively used a private server as a result of doc requests during the Benghazi investigation.

You can't even keep the facts straight in your posts.

Edna, yu don't read gud. "It was discovered that Hillary exclusively used a private server as a result of doc requests during the Benghazi investigation." The Benghazi hearings led to the discovery. You can't really be this stupid, can you? The facts are that Hillary used a private server from the very start. That's not in dispute.

[CNS]

There is def several concerns:

1. the FOIA issue.  Those aren't her emails, they are our emails.  The lack of access to her work product as a Sec of State is unacceptable
2. the security classification and national security issue.  eff her for putting us one hack away from others having classified info


#2 is def the worst of the two, but #1 needs to be addressed badly as well.  I don't give a crap about an official's access to classified info.  Any and all public office work needs to be on a public office provided email acct and server. 

Porn and golf teams to be managed off of private accts where no public biz is handled. 

Both are serious issues.

[ednksu]

There is def several concerns:

1. the FOIA issue.  Those aren't her emails, they are our emails.  The lack of access to her work product as a Sec of State is unacceptable
2. the security classification and national security issue.  eff her for putting us one hack away from others having classified info


#2 is def the worst of the two, but #1 needs to be addressed badly as well.  I don't give a crap about an official's access to classified info.  Any and all public office work needs to be on a public office provided email acct and server. 

Porn and golf teams to be managed off of private accts where no public biz is handled. 

Both are serious issues.

Great post, and what 99% of us believe. 

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I'd like to point out the "all politicians do this to evade the foia" is at best unsubstantiated, and really false juxtaposition from the usual libtard apologists.

We're talking about highly classified military information, not some account Jeb (not subject to foia) used to receive porn and manage his fantasy golf team.

The fact that you guys can't even keep an internal narrative is funny.  Also great that you don't understand questioning your narratives isn't an endorsement of another position.

Do you think we have otr pit meeting, whack-a-doodle?

[Rage Against the McKee]

every politician in the history of the world has an email they use to avoid FOI

Non issue

It really is an issue, and it would be great if there were a high profile case to put a stop to that practice.

[ednksu]

I'd like to point out the "all politicians do this to evade the foia" is at best unsubstantiated, and really false juxtaposition from the usual libtard apologists.

We're talking about highly classified military information, not some account Jeb (not subject to foia) used to receive porn and manage his fantasy golf team.

The fact that you guys can't even keep an internal narrative is funny.  Also great that you don't understand questioning your narratives isn't an endorsement of another position.

Do you think we have otr pit meeting, whack-a-doodle?

Yes, probably listen to neo-con radio waiting for your next commands while hold up in your Obamaproof bunkers.

[michigancat]

There is def several concerns:

1. the FOIA issue.  Those aren't her emails, they are our emails.  The lack of access to her work product as a Sec of State is unacceptable
2. the security classification and national security issue.  eff her for putting us one hack away from others having classified info


#2 is def the worst of the two, but #1 needs to be addressed badly as well.  I don't give a crap about an official's access to classified info.  Any and all public office work needs to be on a public office provided email acct and server. 

Porn and golf teams to be managed off of private accts where no public biz is handled. 

Both are serious issues.

#1 is far worse

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Both are bad, but I'd say that Number 2 is much more damaging in the short run.

[8manpick]

If you think #2 is worse than #1, you have far more belief in the effectiveness of the security systems used by the government email servers than I have.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

If you think #2 is worse than #1, you have far more belief in the effectiveness of the security systems used by the government email servers than I have.

Fair enough. I guess I do have a little faith in the government's ability to encrypt high level classified communications as opposed to running a server in a bathroom closet of a private IT firm. And I could very well be wrong. But many experts believe it is "a certainty" that Hillary's server was hacked. See, for example:

Former intelligence officials say it's a certainty that her server was compromised by foreign intelligence services.

Unless they were encrypted to U.S. government standards, "In my opinion there is a 100% chance that all emails sent and received by her, including all the electronic correspondence stored on her server in her Chappaqua residence, were targeted and collected by the Russian equivalent of NSA," said former CIA case officer Jason Matthews, an expert in Russian intelligence.

Then again, Clinton defenders point out, the State Department's unclassified email system also has been penetrated by Russian hackers, so it's unclear her use of home server made a difference.

http://bigstory.ap.org/urn:publicid:ap.org:b54a250a40e9410baaaca5f9fb58ea94

[Emo EMAW]

As long as no more than 3% of Hillary's emails were classified we shouldn't really care.

[michigancat]

I have little confidence in our government with handling secrets, period. Secrets are bad.

[CNS]

I have little confidence in our govt to do anything in anyone's best interest other than their own personal interest.

[ednksu]

I do enjoy this new excuse that Hilrod didn't know how to use a computer.
http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/267727-clinton-didnt-know-how-to-access-email-by-computer-state-dept

[renocat]

Hillary, Hillary, Hillary.  Fox news is reporting the information in the 22 emails that the State Department will not release contains actionable information about human espionage pactices that puts people at jeopardy, and whether marked or not any one with security clearance should have known the sensitive nature of them.  The disclosure statement MG signed says whether marked or not a person with security clearance is obligated to protect this information.  Also apparently Sidney Blumenthal had access to secret information and was sending emails on the unsecured server to MG all of the time.  HE DID NOT HAVE SECURITY CLEARANCE.   What a ripper.

[ednksu]

Well it's TS for a reason...

But I think this is where the rubber has to hit to road.  Unfortunately the policy and the actual info at risk are reaching critical mass.  Before I was fine with Hilrod manipulating things on a policy violation level.  On a meta level it's totally mumped that FOIA, one of the great tools of transparency, was so easily circumvented.   But now that we know, for sure, classified info was "at risk" we've reach another level.  It's one thing to farm your bullshit out on your server, but classified, especially TS level material being at risk is just so rough ridin' stupid on her part.  Really shows she gives no fucks about the system. 

[wetwillie]

Still zero percent chance of indictment under current administration.

[CNS]

If the head of the FBI recommends charges, you think they won't?   Political suicide for all close to her.