Game of Thrones SHOW thread for people who are confused by the book thread

[OK_Cat]

i enjoyed it.  i mean, his father sentenced him to die for something that he knew he didn't do, and then he was screwing around with the woman that he loved.  i enjoyed the irony of tywin being on a "throne" while he died. 

[Mrs. Gooch]

Was Shae a scheme the whole time?

I don't think that's clear yet.

"As to precisely what happened here, that’s something I don’t really want to talk about because there’s still aspects of it I haven’t revealed that will be revealed in later books." - GRRM

[The Whale]

I thought it was pretty well done - using the same crossbow that killed Roz (I know she doesn't exist in the books, but it worked).

Tywin did say something that got overlooked though -- something to the effect of: "You are my son, I wasn't going to let them take your head".  I wanted to see what the plan had been, but whatever.


Also, Varys is a master at the game.  One step closer to getting a Targaryan back on the throne, now with a weak king and the Lannisters crippled.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I thought it was pretty well done - using the same crossbow that killed Roz (I know she doesn't exist in the books, but it worked).

Tywin did say something that got overlooked though -- something to the effect of: "You are my son, I wasn't going to let them take your head".  I wanted to see what the plan had been, but whatever.


Also, Varys is a master at the game.  One step closer to getting a Targaryan back on the throne, now with a weak king and the Lannisters crippled.

I don't think he had a plan or was even planning to save Tyrion. He was just saying that to try to not get killed.

[The Whale]

So was Oberyn's spear poisoned when he was fighting the Mountain?  There wasn't much that would have indicated it in that episode, but they were talking as if he'd been poisoned.

[Mrs. Gooch]

So was Oberyn's spear poisoned when he was fighting the Mountain?  There wasn't much that would have indicated it in that episode, but they were talking as if he'd been poisoned.

Yes, Oberyn is known to use poison.

[Asteriskhead]

Let me be a little more clear, I specifically want to know how you feel about Tyrion murdering his father.

I thought it was cool they did it while he was taking a crap.

The dialogue was a little sparse. I would have thought they would have a deeper moment but instead they seemed to want to make Tywin really easy to want dead.

They cut some stuff from the books that accomplishes this. I was pretty angry about it, and thought that the scenes seemed poorly done, but it seems that you guys can live with it.

[pissclams]

i liked how varys saved tyrion so they could be irl buds again after varys punked tyrion during the trial. 

off to lucha for some margs via a box on a boat.

[Benja]

GOT is a great show, but I was really glad they did an episode like this.

I get that the show and the books, besides just being extremely well done, are ramped up a notch by the shock and counter-culture factor of killing off well-liked characters when you don't expect it. But, if you're only cutting off good guys heads it has the same effect as shows where only bad guys die; eventually you don't care.

I'm glad they gave some points to the good guys in this one, so they can resume killing off every awesome person with the shock factor intact.

[Asteriskhead]

That's the thing, it's not a good v. bad situation. It's supposed to be as close to a "real" world as possible. Everybody thinks of themselves as the good guy. If you're Cersei Lannister, all of your actions are justified. Renly, Stannis, Rob Stark, they are the bad guys from her perspective. I don't think the show accomplishes this very well, because it doesn't make for great tv. TV watchers don't want to think. They want a knight in shining armor to vanquish a terrible scourge and woo a pretty lady.

[Stevesie60]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

[Asteriskhead]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

that depends.

[Mrs. Gooch]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

[puniraptor]

The best guy

[Asteriskhead]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

Other than the Miken incident, what made him a bad guy?

[Benja]

That's the thing, it's not a good v. bad situation. It's supposed to be as close to a "real" world as possible. Everybody thinks of themselves as the good guy. If you're Cersei Lannister, all of your actions are justified. Renly, Stannis, Rob Stark, they are the bad guys from her perspective. I don't think the show accomplishes this very well, because it doesn't make for great tv. TV watchers don't want to think. They want a knight in shining armor to vanquish a terrible scourge and woo a pretty lady.

No I get that, I'm talking about how tv writers (not even necessarily the writers for this show) talk about how an audience will react. I think it's just natural, regardless of the principles of a show (in this case, no good or bad just people). I think this episode was good for the show in the long run as there probably won't be another "feel good" episode for a couple seasons.

[Mrs. Gooch]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

Other than the Miken incident, what made him a bad guy?

I think killing a kid for no good reason is a pretty good reason to consider him bad. And just because originally he was on the side of Joffery and pretty much did whatever he said. He also helped in the slaughter of Ned's household guard.

He's on Arya's list even when she is with him so she considered him bad.

[Benja]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

Such is life, Mrs. Gooch. Such is life.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

Other than the Miken incident, what made him a bad guy?

Well, he did rob those innocent people who fed him and Arya, and like to kill people in general.

[Stevesie60]

I never got what The Hound's motivation for helping her was.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I never got what The Hound's motivation for helping her was.

Well to begin with he just wanted to get some ransom money for her, but then she kind of grew on him as they traveled together.

[Benja]

I never got what The Hound's motivation for helping her was.

Well to begin with he just wanted to get some ransom money for her, but then she kind of grew on him as they traveled together.

Yeah they bonded when Arya tried to squish his head with a rock while he was sleeping.

[star seed 7]

He also obviously had a soft spot for young girls (no pedo)

[Asteriskhead]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

Other than the Miken incident, what made him a bad guy?

I think killing a kid for no good reason is a pretty good reason to consider him bad. And just because originally he was on the side of Joffery and pretty much did whatever he said. He also helped in the slaughter of Ned's household guard.

He's on Arya's list even when she is with him so she considered him bad.

He either had to follow his orders or get killed himself. His SOLE motivation for continuing to live is to kill his brother. He made his choices based upon that, until he semi-befriends Sansa (in his own weird way) at Kings Landing. He's a broken human being, not an evil one. Gregor, Viserys, Joff and the Boltons are the only pure evil characters in the story IMO.

[Mrs. Gooch]

So The Hound was a bad guy?

Yes, and a good guy - sort of.

Other than the Miken incident, what made him a bad guy?

I think killing a kid for no good reason is a pretty good reason to consider him bad. And just because originally he was on the side of Joffery and pretty much did whatever he said. He also helped in the slaughter of Ned's household guard.

He's on Arya's list even when she is with him so she considered him bad.

He either had to follow his orders or get killed himself. His SOLE motivation for continuing to live is to kill his brother. He made his choices based upon that, until he semi-befriends Sansa (in his own weird way) at Kings Landing. He's a broken human being, not an evil one. Gregor, Viserys, Joff and the Boltons are the only pure evil characters in the story IMO.

I said he was sort of bad and sort of good - as are most of the characters. I didn't say he was evil. Just because your life experiences and choices led you to have to do bad things that does not mean you didn't do those bad things.