Hey guys, we're going to be pretty good next season.

[Jackstack99EMAW]

All I know is we need hurt to be a stud. I like our team next year and think even oscar can win a god damn tournament game with our guys but we got killed by length last night and I just to have a stud legit big man

From what I'm hearing we will have 2 stud big men and 2 stud guards(Edwards and Foster)

[Asteriskhead]

I just want to win a god damn tournament game. If oscar can't do it, he needs to get the eff out.

Dude Has A Big 12 Championship And A Trip To The Tourney With All Fr And Franks Shitty Seniors, But Let's Keep Beating A Dead Horse. What A Dumb eff Fanbase.

I don't think your brain functions at the level that an adult human's should.

[kso_FAN]

FYI, the Cats return...

Starts - 65.5%
Minutes - 65.8%
Points - 70.8%
FG Makes - 71.9%
3PT Makes - 54.0%
FT Makes - 74.1%
Rebounds - 72.4%
Oboards - 80.7%
Dboards - 68.4%
Assists - 58.4%
TOs - 73.0%
Steals 55.1%
Blocks 58.2%

[#LIFE]

What will the Brucecuses be?

[Pete]

What will it take to improve on this year, from a conference record perspective? 

OK, it would seem that we all agree that OU and UT will be just as good or better next year, and KU will still have a ton of talent.   We would have to improve a LOT to believe that we'll be substantially better than those guys.  But, it's reasonable to think we could steal a couple games, maybe even go .500 against those guys.  Not probable, but possible.

OSU has some studs in their recruiting class (3 top 100 guys).  Iowa State and Baylor lose some great players, so they will likely be down.  We'd need to finish above .500 against this group to improve on this past year.

Then, we'd have to plan on nearly sweeping TCU, Tech, and WVU.


It appears to me that it would be unreasonable to EXPECT us to be in the top 3, but reasonable to EXPECT us to be 4th or 5th.

[kso_FAN]

It appears to me that it would be unreasonable to EXPECT us to be in the top 3, but reasonable to EXPECT us to be 4th or 5th.

Completely agree with this.

[Pete]

It appears to me that it would be unreasonable to EXPECT us to be in the top 3, but reasonable to EXPECT us to be 4th or 5th.

Completely agree with this.

It's going to be tough to remind ourselves of this when we are sitting in 4th or 5th toward the end of the conference season next year, and getting greedy...

[kso_FAN]

It's going to be tough to remind ourselves of this when we are sitting in 4th or 5th toward the end of the conference season next year, and getting greedy...

Of course. It was extremely frustrating sitting tied for 2nd with 2 games left this year and finishing 5th. Rightfully so, expectations will vary during the season based on the highs/lows and wins/losses, but I think its good to try to look back at your preseason expectations too after its all over.

[Pete]

I agree. 

My preseason expectation for us this year was generally where we finished.  I expected us to be right in the middle of the conference.

BUT, revised that to dead last, after the Northern Colorado loss, and I raised it to first after the OSU win.  So yeah, putting your pre-season expectation in writing, and reflecting back on it is important.   

[catzacker]

Bullshit.  Compete for the conference or get the eff out.  That should be the expectation. What the eff are we playing for if it isn't?

[kso_FAN]

Bullshit.  Compete for the conference or get the eff out.  That should be the expectation. What the eff are we playing for if it isn't?

We're playing to be as good as we can be and sustain it.

I like the team oscar has coming back, but winning the league next year would be a lot to accomplish. Now 2 and 3 years from now with Foster (hopefully one of the best 2 or 3 players in the Big 12 by then and a POY candidate) absolutely it should be an expectation. I've never considered competing for the conference title to be a realistic expectation for every season as a K-State fan, but I'd say every 3-5 years to compete for it is reasonable. JMHO.

If you want to continually piss yourself off because we don't win conference titles every year go for it.

[Trim]

We are going to be about exactly the same.  5th place, lose first game of Phillips and first game of dance.  Currie and Schultz will say we over achieved, give oscar an extension.  Apathy will pick up another year of momentum.

I predict that this will be 100% accurate.

Yep.

[kslim]

Also I hope DJamer gets well soon, he may not be a very good player but he progressed really well this year

[catzacker]

Not win. Compete (I.e. within 2 games).  We did it in oscar's 1st year. Ok fine we don't in his 2nd but we should next year.  Recruit.  eff  everyone in this conference just concedes this rough ridin' conference to kansas by refusing to demand more.

[nicname]

We are going to be about exactly the same.  5th place, lose first game of Phillips and first game of dance.  Currie and Schultz will say we over achieved, give oscar an extension.  Apathy will pick up another year of momentum.

I would say the 2013-14 team did play above their ceiling. They did overachieve. If the 2014-15 team performed similarly I would be disappointed.

[Pete]

I mean, this is the Big 12.  There are 9 teams in this conference that should just pack up and leave, if they "expect" to win a conference championship with any regularity.  10 data points in a row equal one mother rough rider of a trend.  In basketball, this is KU's conference, some of us just get to share it with them every once in a while.

[chum1]

I agree with you guys that we are completely mumped without Angel.  8th or 9th place finish.

[kso_FAN]

Not win. Compete (I.e. within 2 games). 

I'm good with that.

[kso_FAN]

I would add to my "get to the tournament" minimum that you should at least play to your seed. Last year we definitely did not do that and it sucked.

[Pete]

I agree with you guys that we are completely mumped without Angel.  8th or 9th place finish.

[Pete]

I would add to my "get to the tournament" minimum that you should at least play to your seed. Last year we definitely did not do that and it sucked.

I support this.

[EMAWzified]

Outside shooting and point guard play will be the challenges next year. Three years into his tenure and oscar hasn't recruited a quality point guard while chasing an all-conference PG off. Not good. An the offensive guru continues to field sub-Frank quality offensive teams.
I see the Cats finishing pretty close to the same, May be better but so will most teams in the conference.
As I see it, at best if we beat up on the bad teams:
K-State =/^
KU =/\/, assuming Imbiid goes pro (1-1)
OU ^ (1-1)
Texas ^ (1-1)
WVU ^^ (1-1)
ISU = (1-1)
Baylor \/, assuming Austin goes pro (chance for 2-0)
OSU \/ \/ (2-0)
TCU ^ better but still (2-0)
Tech ^ see above (2-0)

[Trim]

We are going to be about exactly the same.  5th place, lose first game of Phillips and first game of dance.  Currie and Schultz will say we over achieved, give oscar an extension.  Apathy will pick up another year of momentum.

I would say the 2013-14 team did play above their ceiling. They did overachieve. If the 2014-15 team performed similarly I would be disappointed.

We're not a small-market team in baseball.  Leadership sets its own ceiling.

[Benja]

Im scared we're going to be meh to slightly above meh forever.

[michigancat]

Foster is a quality point guard