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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #75 on: April 08, 2010, 07:47:24 AM »
Conspiracy theories are fun. None of the 9-11 ones ever answer 1 question though. If a missle hit the pentagon and a smaller plane crashed in the field, what happened to the planes that left the airports and all those people? 

Pike?  :jeffy:

idk. No plane landed in that field in PA though. There is no wreckage at all.

idk is not an answer. Where did those people and planes go?

There's some far fetched theories that the planes never existed or that they even landed in Cinci. It's plausible that a plane hit the pentagon I suppose, but the field in PA is very unplausable.

So you choose "far-fetched" over a scientifically unfounded "very unplausible"?

I just don't believe the "official story" which is completely full of bs

You should read Popular Science.  Completely debunked all the conspiracies.  Debunked the fema camps, too.

No need. Pike prefers the "common sense" of Loose Change to the "official bs" of science and stuff.
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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #76 on: April 08, 2010, 08:59:29 AM »
Conspiracy theories are fun. None of the 9-11 ones ever answer 1 question though. If a missle hit the pentagon and a smaller plane crashed in the field, what happened to the planes that left the airports and all those people? 

Pike?  :jeffy:

idk. No plane landed in that field in PA though. There is no wreckage at all.

idk is not an answer. Where did those people and planes go?

There's some far fetched theories that the planes never existed or that they even landed in Cinci. It's plausible that a plane hit the pentagon I suppose, but the field in PA is very unplausable.

So you choose "far-fetched" over a scientifically unfounded "very unplausible"?

I just don't believe the "official story" which is completely full of bs

You should read Popular Science.  Completely debunked all the conspiracies.  Debunked the fema camps, too.

No need. Pike prefers the "common sense" of Loose Change to the "official bs" of science and stuff.

I've read the Popular Mechanics. Doesn't debunk crap. What exactly is scientific about the official story anyway? It was written by a bunch of lousy ass congressmen.

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #77 on: April 08, 2010, 09:11:32 PM »
 Terry Lakin Letter to POTUS

March 30, 2010

The Honorable Barack Obama
President of the United States of America
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, D.C. 20500

Dear Mr. President:

For more than seventeen years, I have had the privilege of serving my country as a member of the U.S. Armed Forces, including overseas assignments in imminent danger/combat areas in Bosnia and Afghanistan.

The United States is an example to the rest of the world of a stable, civilized democratic government where all men are created equal and the rule of law is cherished and obeyed. The U.S. military teaches and promotes the rule of law and civilian control of the military to many other nations and militaries around the world. Every soldier learns what constitutes a lawful order and is encouraged to stand up and object to unlawful orders. My officer's oath of office requires that I swear to support and defend the Constitution of the United States.

I recently received deployment orders for a second deployment to Afghanistan. My orders included a requirement to bring copies of my birth certificate. I will provide a certified copy of my original birth certificate with common, standard identifiers, including the name of an attending physician and a hospital. Every day in transactions across the country, American citizens are required to prove their identity, and standards for identification have become even stricter since the terrorist attacks on 9/11.

Since the fall of 2008, I have been troubled by reports that your original birth certificate remains concealed from public view along with many other records which, if released, would quickly end questions surrounding your place of birth and "natural born" status. Many people mistake the online Certification of Live Birth for an original birth certificate. Until the summer of 2009, the Hawaiian Department of Homelands would not accept this Certification of Live Birth to determine native Hawaiian identity--the Department insisted upon also reviewing an original birth certificate. Many do not understand that the online document was from 2007, generated by computer, laser-printed, and merely a certification that there is an original birth certificate on file which may or may not be sufficiently probative. An original birth certificate is the underlying document that presumably includes a hospital and attending physician's or midwife's name that should lay to rest the "natural born" dispute.

In 2008, after pressure from the news media, Senator McCain produced an original birth certificate from the Panama Canal Zone; a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing examined and affirmed his "natural born" status and Constitutional eligibility to serve as President. The U.S. Senate was silent about your eligibility, despite statements from Kenyan citizens that you were born in Mombasa, including your paternal grandmother and the Ambassador from Kenya to the U.S. during a radio interview. Hawaiian state officials claim they cannot release an original birth certificate without your consent.

I have attempted through my chain of command for many months to get answers to the questions surrounding your eligibility. I also sought answers, unsuccessfully, through my Congressional delegation. You serve as my Commander-in-Chief. Given the fact that the certification that your campaign posted online was not a document that the Hawaiian Department of Homelands regarded as a sufficient substitute for the original birth certificate and given that it has been your personal decision that has prevented the Hawaiian Department of Health from releasing your original birth certificate or any Hawaiian hospital from releasing your records, the burden of proof must rest with you.

Please assure the American people that you are indeed constitutionally eligible to serve as Commander-in-Chief and thereby may lawfully direct service members into harm's way. I will be proud to deploy to Afghanistan to further serve my country and my fellow soldiers, but I should only do so with the knowledge that this important provision of our Constitution is respected and obeyed. The people that continue to risk their lives and give the ultimate sacrifice to the service of our country deserve to know they do so upholding their vows to the oath of office and the Constitution.

Unless it is established (by this sufficient proof that should be easily within your power to provide) that you are constitutionally eligible to serve as President and my Commander-in-Chief, I, and all other military officers may be following illegal orders. Therefore, sir, until an original birth certificate is brought forward that validates your eligibility and puts to rest the other reasonable questions surrounding your unproven eligibility; I cannot in good conscience obey ANY military orders.

Respectfully,

// Terry Lakin

Lieutenant Colonel Terrence Lakin, USA


http://www.safeguardourconstitution.com/news/terry-lakins-letter-to-potus.html

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #78 on: April 08, 2010, 09:50:00 PM »
hope they lock that guy up for life for being a traitor to his country.

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #79 on: April 08, 2010, 09:52:30 PM »
"Trust but verify."

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #80 on: April 08, 2010, 10:34:48 PM »
Brilliant move by Obama not to publicly provide this. Just causes opponents to waste thousands of useless hours on it making themselves look ridiculous.
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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #81 on: April 09, 2010, 10:45:36 AM »
Brilliant move by Obama not to publicly provide this. Just causes opponents to waste thousands of useless hours on it making themselves look ridiculous.

This is what I believe.  It's way better for him politically to let these people keep going

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #82 on: April 09, 2010, 05:32:42 PM »
Brilliant move by Obama not to publicly provide this. Just causes opponents to waste thousands of useless hours on it making themselves look ridiculous.

Also kind of a dick move :dunno:

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #83 on: April 16, 2010, 10:12:57 AM »
Conspiracy theories are fun. None of the 9-11 ones ever answer 1 question though. If a missle hit the pentagon and a smaller plane crashed in the field, what happened to the planes that left the airports and all those people? 

Pike?  :jeffy:

idk. No plane landed in that field in PA though. There is no wreckage at all.

idk is not an answer. Where did those people and planes go?

There's some far fetched theories that the planes never existed or that they even landed in Cinci. It's plausible that a plane hit the pentagon I suppose, but the field in PA is very unplausable.

Wait a second....the plane landing in Cincy is all but "fact" in Loose Change. Explain to me how your bulletproof Loose Change evidence be "far fetched" and be a conspiracy coverup at the same time?

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #84 on: April 16, 2010, 11:04:15 AM »
I can't decide if Pike is really that paranoid or just the greatest troll ever. Also love the birthers ... such a fun group. Don't run into many truthers these days, but the Tea Party rallies are ripe with birthers that are loads of fun.

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #85 on: April 16, 2010, 12:20:31 PM »
I can't decide if Pike is really that paranoid or just the greatest troll ever. Also love the birthers ... such a fun group. Don't run into many truthers these days, but the Tea Party rallies are ripe with birthers that are loads of fun.

how 'bout we have some fun with the lib'tards!!! :driving: I'll start.........











love love love the last one!!! The 'tards are just so tolerant and stuff!!!

but seriously, because their memories seem to be so select, lets just remind the donk'tards again............... "I dont see anything wrong!!!"................ ................... wow! what a great group forecasters they are!  :facepalm:

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #86 on: April 16, 2010, 01:36:58 PM »








Idiocy is not a partisan problem.

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #87 on: April 16, 2010, 01:40:43 PM »
and when people can start to realize that, we will be gaining some positive ground! Humans are just that...... they always want to blame someone or something else. for some, responsibility is a hard pill to swallow!

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #88 on: April 16, 2010, 02:13:18 PM »
Doesn't mean I won't laugh at them. I laugh at truthers. I laugh at war protesters. I laugh at birthers. That's the fun of being a moderate.

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #89 on: April 16, 2010, 02:21:29 PM »
Doesn't mean I won't laugh at them. I laugh at truthers. I laugh at war protesters. I laugh at birthers. That's the fun of being a moderate.

Truthers laugh at you, bra

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #90 on: April 16, 2010, 10:19:26 PM »
Doesn't mean I won't laugh at them. I laugh at truthers. I laugh at war protesters. I laugh at birthers. That's the fun of being a moderate.

Truthers laugh at you, bra

pffft always glad to entertain retards

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #91 on: April 17, 2010, 04:19:25 AM »
Doesn't mean I won't laugh at them. I laugh at truthers. I laugh at war protesters. I laugh at birthers. That's the fun of being a moderate.

Truthers laugh at you, bra

pffft always glad to entertain retards

pffft to you to sir

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #92 on: April 19, 2010, 04:58:37 PM »




I've never understood why this one is even supposed to be offensive.  :dunno:
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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2010, 07:39:09 PM »
AMERICA! eff YEAH!

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #94 on: April 22, 2010, 11:50:14 AM »
Couldn't care less about Obama and where he was born.

But I always find it fascinating how dismissive people are of anyone who raises legit questions.   Popular Mechanics or Science also thought Area 51 moved to an abandoned DOD missile range in Utah.   People literally walk in and out of the place every day, there's nothing there but empty buildings and tumbleweeds.  And no, I don't think they have Aliens at Area 51, it's just a fascinating place because you know they're working on some really funky $hit, and they literally fly in the workers from a terminal at McCarren in Las Vegas on a DOD owned airline code named "Janet" . . . some people just simply can't grasp how massive our countries military complex is, and how many billions get spent every year on black projects. 

There's plenty of legit questions around 9-11.   Guys that flunked out of flight schools that can peform in airliner at a level that takes the most experienced pilots years to master.   Most experts understand that there's no way AQ pulled off an operation like 9-11 without the help of a state sanctioned intelligence agency.  Plus ask yourself, where can you trace the roots of AQ to??  Well, to the United States and the CIA that's who.   We started the f_ckers back when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.    The former lead investigator of AQ dies on his 2nd day on the job, on 9-11 as the head of security at the WTC complex.   The guy resigned from the FBI because he kept getting stone walled by internal forces everytime he was about to get something really juicy on AQ . . . why is that??  He dies in the freaking WTC on 9-11 . . . oh yeah, just another coincidence. 

But hey, never question, always believe what the government tells you.  Sure, an ex marine with an old piece of $hit italian military rifle blew the president of the United States head off from hundreds of feet away while the pres was in a moving vechicle . . . right.  Oh, but he was trained to shoot in the marines . . . sure he was, trainied to shoot precision made firearms, not piece of $hit bolt action rifles.   Those are the kinds of shots it takes years to master using precision made and sighted in weapons, not piece of $hit Italian rifles.   








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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #95 on: April 22, 2010, 11:52:49 AM »
 :surprised:
Sometimes I think of the Book of Job and how God likes to really eff with people.
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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #96 on: April 22, 2010, 01:24:15 PM »
Couldn't care less about Obama and where he was born.

But I always find it fascinating how dismissive people are of anyone who raises legit questions.   Popular Mechanics or Science also thought Area 51 moved to an abandoned DOD missile range in Utah.   People literally walk in and out of the place every day, there's nothing there but empty buildings and tumbleweeds.  And no, I don't think they have Aliens at Area 51, it's just a fascinating place because you know they're working on some really funky $hit, and they literally fly in the workers from a terminal at McCarren in Las Vegas on a DOD owned airline code named "Janet" . . . some people just simply can't grasp how massive our countries military complex is, and how many billions get spent every year on black projects.  

There's plenty of legit questions around 9-11.   Guys that flunked out of flight schools that can peform in airliner at a level that takes the most experienced pilots years to master.   Most experts understand that there's no way AQ pulled off an operation like 9-11 without the help of a state sanctioned intelligence agency.  Plus ask yourself, where can you trace the roots of AQ to??  Well, to the United States and the CIA that's who.   We started the f_ckers back when the Soviets invaded Afghanistan.    The former lead investigator of AQ dies on his 2nd day on the job, on 9-11 as the head of security at the WTC complex.   The guy resigned from the FBI because he kept getting stone walled by internal forces everytime he was about to get something really juicy on AQ . . . why is that??  He dies in the freaking WTC on 9-11 . . . oh yeah, just another coincidence.  

But hey, never question, always believe what the government tells you.  Sure, an ex marine with an old piece of $hit italian military rifle blew the president of the United States head off from hundreds of feet away while the pres was in a moving vechicle . . . right.  Oh, but he was trained to shoot in the marines . . . sure he was, trainied to shoot precision made firearms, not piece of $hit bolt action rifles.   Those are the kinds of shots it takes years to master using precision made and sighted in weapons, not piece of $hit Italian rifles.    







This is what amazes me about people (especially some on this board). The gov lies all the f*cking time. Why wouldn't lie about JFK, Gulf of Tonken, Operation Northwoods, or 9/11?


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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #97 on: April 22, 2010, 02:12:22 PM »
We tried to create a clandestine Cuban national army using the CIA and tried to invade Castro's Cuba, we tried to assassinate Castro many times . . . but there's NO WAY anything like Operation Northwoods could have ever been conjured up . . . NO WAY.   

We overthrow governments, trade arms for hostages, send in special forces to train Islamic backed groups in the Balkans and then go bomb Yugoslavia for 80 straight days, we conjure up mobile weapons of mass destruction labs roaming the roads of Iraq . . . but the government never lies to us.

The Gulf of Tonkin "incident" was one of the biggest frauds ever perpetrated in history . . . but always believe the government.

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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #98 on: April 22, 2010, 02:41:10 PM »
crap just got real
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Re: Serious question for right wing folks
« Reply #99 on: April 22, 2010, 03:08:05 PM »
What was the Govt's motive for blowing up the World Trade Towers?

Should this thread be merged with the Birth Certificate thread into one large  :jeffy: type thread?