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"The Hill" was a waypoint for travelers in the olden pioneer days - hence, the "the". Deal with it, you morose MF'er.
Quote from: Kat Kid on February 20, 2014, 07:10:12 PMI think taking some elements of the TCU build would be the dream scenario and could be done for anywhere from $100-$200 million depending upon what KU is willing to sacrifice.Phase 1: Trash the East end and build something like the KSU East end and the TCU (west?) end with a better facade. If they are really worried about holding down the cost, they could maybe keep the lower level, build up a facade and boxes behind it. The goal is not to go with a full double deck. Est. Price tag- $40-80MM depending upon the removal of the lower level.Basically what is pictured above, but without the highest part of the seating scrapped.Phase 2: This is where the TCU thing comes in to play. Call this thing the HAWK'S NEST. You build suites all along the North End using the Oread stone theme. Square out the horseshoe and build 2-3 party decks that have seating on the stadium side and large out door party decks on the back. "The Hill" stays open and you get a baller elite only building right there facing the tailgating mecca of the sidestreets. Don't mess with trying to link it the football facility, they are separate facilities and you just keep the current football only stuff where it is and focus on fan experience. Trying to re-locate all of the student-athlete stuff is going to kill your budget, you just spent cash on the football only and the all-athlete thing. Save your money and do this thing right. Est Price Tag: $70-90MMBasically this ends up being the view from the hill. Mas o menos.Phase 3: West Side. Here is where the mas o menos comes in to play. Do you want to complete the entire rebuild? By this time the momentum of the baller NEZ suites might have helped roll into a complete demo. But that is a LOT of stuff to move. If it were me, I would suck it up and muddle through with the weird West side, build the band a little platform or something to put them right on top of the visitors or make that the KU end and figure out something else to do with the extra space and have the visitors feeling claustrophobic against the tight sideline.Est Price tag: $0-$90MMConclusion:Phase 1 & 2 Est cost- $100-180MMPersonally I would rather have the baller NEZ that connects to all the tailgate areas and make it just an enormous party with places for young alums and high rollers both and throw up some facade bandaids on the rest to keep the project on budget. If it is all about the hill, make it all about the hill. Build the NEZ in to one of the best suite/party palaces in the country with the setting behind it. Muddle through the E/W stuff until you can raise the $150-250MM more it would take to do it right.Phase 1 - Agreed. The horrendous, future-giants-playing-connect-four east side has got to go. This and removing the track will be the first priority. I'd imagine that they will use a similar approach to what Washington did with their stadium. KU may even have to play a season at Arrowhead in order to accomplish this. Price tag - $85 millionPhase 2 - Here's a picture of the stadium, looking at the south side (the hill):The rumor is that KU will look to build a "party porch" on the south side. I'd imagine they'll put in some type of luxury seating there as well, with a tunnel system connecting the football complex and the hill. This might be feasible within an off-season, and I don't see it costing that much if they keep the seating minimal. Price tag - $15-25 millionPhase 3 - Unless they tear down the entire stadium, I'm not sure they will do much to the West side. There's so many other needs right now that this phase is pretty far down the road (probably mid 2020's at the earliest). They may just leave the current pressbox alone and build an additional structure onto the North end bowl, and potentially tear down some housing and redevelop the entire area. edit - I just realized that my last sentence was basically what you proposed for the "NEZ" in your phase 2. I really like that idea and hope it's something that Zenger is potentially looking to do.
I think taking some elements of the TCU build would be the dream scenario and could be done for anywhere from $100-$200 million depending upon what KU is willing to sacrifice.Phase 1: Trash the East end and build something like the KSU East end and the TCU (west?) end with a better facade. If they are really worried about holding down the cost, they could maybe keep the lower level, build up a facade and boxes behind it. The goal is not to go with a full double deck. Est. Price tag- $40-80MM depending upon the removal of the lower level.Basically what is pictured above, but without the highest part of the seating scrapped.Phase 2: This is where the TCU thing comes in to play. Call this thing the HAWK'S NEST. You build suites all along the North End using the Oread stone theme. Square out the horseshoe and build 2-3 party decks that have seating on the stadium side and large out door party decks on the back. "The Hill" stays open and you get a baller elite only building right there facing the tailgating mecca of the sidestreets. Don't mess with trying to link it the football facility, they are separate facilities and you just keep the current football only stuff where it is and focus on fan experience. Trying to re-locate all of the student-athlete stuff is going to kill your budget, you just spent cash on the football only and the all-athlete thing. Save your money and do this thing right. Est Price Tag: $70-90MMBasically this ends up being the view from the hill. Mas o menos.Phase 3: West Side. Here is where the mas o menos comes in to play. Do you want to complete the entire rebuild? By this time the momentum of the baller NEZ suites might have helped roll into a complete demo. But that is a LOT of stuff to move. If it were me, I would suck it up and muddle through with the weird West side, build the band a little platform or something to put them right on top of the visitors or make that the KU end and figure out something else to do with the extra space and have the visitors feeling claustrophobic against the tight sideline.Est Price tag: $0-$90MMConclusion:Phase 1 & 2 Est cost- $100-180MMPersonally I would rather have the baller NEZ that connects to all the tailgate areas and make it just an enormous party with places for young alums and high rollers both and throw up some facade bandaids on the rest to keep the project on budget. If it is all about the hill, make it all about the hill. Build the NEZ in to one of the best suite/party palaces in the country with the setting behind it. Muddle through the E/W stuff until you can raise the $150-250MM more it would take to do it right.
Quote from: Spracne on February 24, 2014, 09:25:30 PM"The Hill" was a waypoint for travelers in the olden pioneer days - hence, the "the". Deal with it, you morose MF'er.It appears the idiots too stupid to follow a river just walked to the hill and said "welp this here looks good'nuff fer me!
Everybody Stand Up and Cheer! The Big 12's Fightin Jayhawks are Here!! Blue Wings Rising!!!W 10/10/2009 41 Iowa St. 36 L 10/17/2009 30 Colorado 34 L 10/24/2009 13 Oklahoma 35 L 10/31/2009 21 Texas Tech 42 L 11/7/2009 10 Kansas St. 17 L 11/14/2009 17 Nebraska 31 L 11/21/2009 20 Texas 51 L 11/28/2009 39 Missouri 41 L 10/2/2010 7 Baylor (TX) 55 L 10/14/2010 7 Kansas St. 59 L 10/23/2010 10 Texas A&M 45 L 10/30/2010 16 Iowa St. 28 W 11/6/2010 52 Colorado 45 L 11/13/2010 3 Nebraska 20 L 11/20/2010 14 Oklahoma St. 48 L 11/27/2010 7 Missouri 35 L 10/8/2011 28 Oklahoma St. 70 L 10/15/2011 17 Oklahoma 47 L 10/22/2011 21 Kansas St. 59 L 10/29/2011 0 Texas 43 L 11/5/2011 10 Iowa St. 13 L 11/12/2011 30 Baylor (TX) 31 L 11/19/2011 7 Texas A&M 61 L 11/26/2011 10 Missouri 24 L 10/6/2012 16 Kansas St. 56 L 10/13/2012 14 Oklahoma St. 20 L 10/20/2012 7 Oklahoma 52 L 10/27/2012 17 Texas 21 L 11/3/2012 14 Baylor (TX) 41 L 11/10/2012 34 Texas Tech 41 L 11/17/2012 23 Iowa St. 51 L 12/1/2012 10 West Virginia 59 L 10/5/2013 16 Texas Tech 54 L 10/12/2013 17 Texas Christian 27 L 10/19/2013 19 Oklahoma 34 L 10/26/2013 14 Baylor (TX) 59 L 11/2/2013 13 Texas 35 L 11/9/2013 6 Oklahoma St. 42 W 11/16/2013 31 West Virginia 19 L 11/23/2013 0 Iowa St. 34 L 11/30/2013 10 Kansas St. 31
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning. They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.
Quote from: Emo EMAW on February 25, 2014, 09:00:37 AMQuote from: Spracne on February 24, 2014, 09:25:30 PM"The Hill" was a waypoint for travelers in the olden pioneer days - hence, the "the". Deal with it, you morose MF'er.It appears the idiots too stupid to follow a river just walked to the hill and said "welp this here looks good'nuff fer me!Yeah, that was a really stupid thing to say spracne.
Quote from: Cire on February 25, 2014, 09:32:14 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on February 25, 2014, 09:00:37 AMQuote from: Spracne on February 24, 2014, 09:25:30 PM"The Hill" was a waypoint for travelers in the olden pioneer days - hence, the "the". Deal with it, you morose MF'er.It appears the idiots too stupid to follow a river just walked to the hill and said "welp this here looks good'nuff fer me!Yeah, that was a really stupid thing to say spracne.Wow, never hear about "the Hill" before. Between that, the origins of the Rock Chalk chant, and the origins of the Mizzou rivalry, is there one story at KU that isn't completely based on bullshit?
Quote from: 42 on February 24, 2014, 03:50:20 PMQuote from: pissclams on February 24, 2014, 03:44:41 PMtrack removal is expensive stuff. i always assumed ku fans were kidding about taking out the track. i don't think they realize what they've gotten themselves into. yeah i mean texas state did it which if KU wants to elevate their football program's status to their level then by all means it'll be good for everyone but if they can't afford it then maybe gE should set up a collection fund ya know?They should just copy what Texas State is doing, would be a rough ridin' home run for them.
Quote from: pissclams on February 24, 2014, 03:44:41 PMtrack removal is expensive stuff. i always assumed ku fans were kidding about taking out the track. i don't think they realize what they've gotten themselves into. yeah i mean texas state did it which if KU wants to elevate their football program's status to their level then by all means it'll be good for everyone but if they can't afford it then maybe gE should set up a collection fund ya know?
track removal is expensive stuff. i always assumed ku fans were kidding about taking out the track. i don't think they realize what they've gotten themselves into.
Texas State doing big things
Quote from: Shooter Jones on February 24, 2014, 04:14:06 PMQuote from: 42 on February 24, 2014, 03:50:20 PMQuote from: pissclams on February 24, 2014, 03:44:41 PMtrack removal is expensive stuff. i always assumed ku fans were kidding about taking out the track. i don't think they realize what they've gotten themselves into. yeah i mean texas state did it which if KU wants to elevate their football program's status to their level then by all means it'll be good for everyone but if they can't afford it then maybe gE should set up a collection fund ya know?They should just copy what Texas State is doing, would be a rough ridin' home run for them.Texas State doing big things
Quote from: scottwildcat on February 25, 2014, 11:22:17 AMQuote from: Shooter Jones on February 24, 2014, 04:14:06 PMQuote from: 42 on February 24, 2014, 03:50:20 PMQuote from: pissclams on February 24, 2014, 03:44:41 PMtrack removal is expensive stuff. i always assumed ku fans were kidding about taking out the track. i don't think they realize what they've gotten themselves into. yeah i mean texas state did it which if KU wants to elevate their football program's status to their level then by all means it'll be good for everyone but if they can't afford it then maybe gE should set up a collection fund ya know?They should just copy what Texas State is doing, would be a rough ridin' home run for them.Texas State doing big things That would block the hill tho
The game of basketball was invented 15 minutes after the trash can, when some guy decided it was too much effort walk his trash to the receptacle and threw it instead.
Enough with the big brother/little brother talk already! You guys can't even get it right. Instead you let some beak toting hipster tell you how it is. Come on EMAW nation! Have we no spine? Or do we just need a quick history refresher? Kansas State Agricultural College est. 1863 (or 1857 if you count Bluemont College as it's predecessor), Kansas University 1865. That would make K-State the big bro and KU the little bro, regardless of undergrad enrollment and endowment. My case? I am 5'11" 170 lbs. My younger brother is 6'5" 240 lbs. He is and will always be my little bro. Get it?..... Memorial Stadium sucks and there is nothing KU can do to salvage that program. EMAW!
Quote from: MouseRat on February 25, 2014, 11:13:16 PMEnough with the big brother/little brother talk already! You guys can't even get it right. Instead you let some beak toting hipster tell you how it is. Come on EMAW nation! Have we no spine? Or do we just need a quick history refresher? Kansas State Agricultural College est. 1863 (or 1857 if you count Bluemont College as it's predecessor), Kansas University 1865. That would make K-State the big bro and KU the little bro, regardless of undergrad enrollment and endowment. My case? I am 5'11" 170 lbs. My younger brother is 6'5" 240 lbs. He is and will always be my little bro. Get it?..... Memorial Stadium sucks and there is nothing KU can do to salvage that program. EMAW! kstatefans post
Mouserat is not afraid to speak his mind, with zeal
Quote from: Limestone on February 26, 2014, 10:05:44 AMMouserat is not afraid to speak his mind, with zealI know I'm new, but I'm no n00b. I apologize for my John Brown-esque outburst but some of you are soft and numb to condescending remarks. I refuse to be patronized by Kansas trolls.
Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 25, 2014, 08:38:46 PMThe game of basketball was invented 15 minutes after the trash can, when some guy decided it was too much effort walk his trash to the receptacle and threw it instead.
