Responsible gun owner protects personal property

[Spracne]

This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.

[Rage Against the McKee]

This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.

Would not convict.

[steve dave]

Maybe he fired 11 warning shots and one leg shot to disable the threat? Ever thought of that idiots?

[waks]

 

Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody. 

Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads

Someone should have told his parents.  I'm sure they would have preferred him killed by a meth head.  Luckily, it appears they educated their son and he is alive to thank them.

omg you actually believe this

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Why does anyone gaf about a dead meth head? Meth heads are the sewer rats of society, all they do is steal, spread disease, and cause heartache and pain.

[ednksu]

This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.

Do not take legal advice from this guy.

[michigancat]

Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody. 

Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads

Someone should have told his parents.  I'm sure they would have preferred him killed by a meth head.  Luckily, it appears they educated their son and he is alive to thank them.

omg you actually believe this

He really does! It's fascinating.

[Mrs. Gooch]

I mean, obviously your hit rate is going to be lower when you are aiming for a small quickly moving target area (leg) than if you had aimed for a larger more stable area (torso).

[Emo EMAW]

This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.

1) he was still in commission of a burglary
2) he had a gun and had threatened to kill the kid
3) the kid was in fear of his life

Spray away kid, reload if you have to.

[ednksu]

This "precocious" kid is likely protected on account of his age, relative intelligence and experience, but using deadly force against a person who is no longer threatening serious bodily injury or death to you is not justified under the laws of any state. Pretty tough to argue that you intended only a minor wound when your hit rate is 1/12. SYG does not apply to persons attempting to flee.

1) he was still in commission of a burglary
2) he had a gun and had threatened to kill the kid
3) the kid was in fear of his life

Spray away kid, reload if you have to.

Also many states with castle doctrine will allow you to blast trespassers committing felonies. And many allow you to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing suspect. 

[catastrophe]

Also many states with castle doctrine will allow you to blast trespassers committing felonies. And many allow you to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing suspect.

Link? This sounds very wrong, but some states may be more redneck than I'm anticipating.

I mean, even police can't use deadly force to apprehend fleeing suspects in most cases.

[ednksu]

Also many states with castle doctrine will allow you to blast trespassers committing felonies. And many allow you to use deadly force to apprehend a fleeing suspect.

Link? This sounds very wrong, but some states may be more redneck than I'm anticipating.

I mean, even police can't use deadly force to apprehend fleeing suspects in most cases.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Horn_shooting_controversy

and for cops specifically
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fleeing_felon_rule

[catastrophe]

so where is the support for the sentence I bolded?

[ednksu]

Are you daft?  like I'm seriously confused what you don't get about those links.

[sys]

Maybe he fired 11 warning shots and one leg shot to disable the threat? Ever thought of that idiots?

maybe he missed 11 times because he was aiming at the leg (moving) and not trying to kill the poor meth addict (that he kinda/sorta knew).  1/12 isn't bad for a lower leg attached to a running human.

[sys]

I mean, obviously your hit rate is going to be lower when you are aiming for a small quickly moving target area (leg) than if you had aimed for a larger more stable area (torso).

sorry, mrs. gooch.  i didn't get this far before i entered my post.

[sys]

i'm not sure if i like 11 year olds telling their meth-head kinda/sorta acquaintance assailants that they just shot in the leg to "be brave, you'll be ok.  trust god", or not.

It's definitely more disturbing that this 11 year old has such easy access to a handgun, no?

no, not really.  it also wouldn't raise the eyebrow if the child went around telling meth heads to buck up, old sport without shooting them first.  it's the combination that attracts the eye.

[catastrophe]

Are you daft?  like I'm seriously confused what you don't get about those links.

Well the first wasn't really even a commentary of the law, just an anecdote about a dude who didn't get indicted after he shot some guys who were running at him on his property and he may or may not have hit them in the back.

The second specifically says that SCOTUS said way back in 1985 that you cannot use lethal force against fleeing suspects unless they pose an immediate threat of serious bodily harm.

[sys]

Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody. 

Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads

what is the comparison we are looking for here?  if it is the danger posed by each item, you have to account for the frequency of each.  i don't have any data, but i'd guess that the rate of violence resulting from breaking and entering meth heads per minute in house with child is much much higher than the rate resulting from guns in house with child per minute.

even per day, hell even per occurrence, i'd bet meth addict.

[catastrophe]

You know, thinking through it a little more, maybe the moral of the story here is: if you're going to have one easily accessible gun in the house then you should have at least two.

[Emo EMAW]

You know, thinking through it a little more, maybe the moral of the story here is: if you're going to have one easily accessible gun in the house then you should have at least two.

Two guns = two legs?

[catastrophe]

Only an idiot would purport a gun sitting harmlessly in a dresser drawer is more dangerous than a violent meth head who has broken into a home and threatened to kill somebody. 

Way more people get killed by guns accessed by children than by meth heads

what is the comparison we are looking for here?  if it is the danger posed by each item, you have to account for the frequency of each.  i don't have any data, but i'd guess that the rate of violence resulting from breaking and entering meth heads per minute in house with child is much much higher than the rate resulting from guns in house with child per minute.

even per day, hell even per occurrence, i'd bet meth addict.

This sounds like an argument for reducing the number of guns in households with children. I mean, it's illegal for meth heads to break into homes, which has no doubt curtailed those incidences (and hence deaths). Are you proposing we do the same with guns?

[sys]

That may have been his intention, at least he didn't get unlucky and shoot him fatally with those leg misses.

of course not.  he's obviously very good.

[sys]

This sounds like an argument for reducing the number of guns in households with children. I mean, it's illegal for meth heads to break into homes, which has no doubt curtailed those incidences (and hence deaths). Are you proposing we do the same with guns?

data can be used to argue any number of things.  but the data are just the data.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I like to think that on the 12th shot, the kid just closed his eyes and let Jesus aim the gun.