Responsible gun owner protects personal property

[Emo EMAW]

Adams should be charged for both the death of the woman and her baby.  Greer should also be charged but get a much lighter sentence.

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Criminally responsible, yes, but I don't see how his actions satisfy the mens rea component of murder.

not a lawyer, but i think a lot of states have laws that state something like a death that results during the commission of a felony is murder.  maybe some it's just armed felonies or violent felonies or something like that.

Felony Murder requires only the intention to commit a felony. If someone dies in the commission of certain felonies you are guilty of felony murder. It's obviously meant to deter violent crime.

Charging someone with murder because their personal property is stolen and used to kill someone is a new low for stupidity for the pit. It's Plaintiff's attorney applied in the criminal context.

[8manpick]

What in the world?

Edit: @emo

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I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.

I as well

If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?

No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.

What if you don't immediately report the car stolen, murder? What if the car is used to kill someone before you know it's stolen?

What about people who sell drugs (street or prescription) to other people who OD and die, murder? What if the person the seller sells his drugs to later kills someone while impaired, does the seller get charged with murder too?

What are the limits to this new form of murder? Is there a limit to the degrees of separation?

[SdK]

Let it be decided by a jury of their peers.

[8manpick]

Let it be decided by a jury of their peers.

So, charge them with everything and let the jury sort it out? Interesting idea

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Dear god.

[michigancat]

I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.

I as well

If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?

No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.

What if you don't immediately report the car stolen, murder? What if the car is used to kill someone before you know it's stolen?

What about people who sell drugs (street or prescription) to other people who OD and die, murder? What if the person the seller sells his drugs to later kills someone while impaired, does the seller get charged with murder too?

What are the limits to this new form of murder? Is there a limit to the degrees of separation?

I don't think any of those people should be charged with murder

[SdK]

Let it be decided by a jury of their peers.

So, charge them with everything and let the jury sort it out? Interesting idea

Sure. Is this feasible? No. But I don't think you can make laws that adequately cover all bases.

[8manpick]

By interesting I meant foolish

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I think both a criminal whose accomplice was killed during the crime and a gun owner whose gun was used to kill someone should be charged with a crime less severe than murder.

I as well

If I steal your car and run a family off the road do you get charged as well?

No, and if a gun owner reports their gun stolen or lost as soon as they know it's stolen or lost, I don't think they should be charged with a crime, either.

What if you don't immediately report the car stolen, murder? What if the car is used to kill someone before you know it's stolen?

What about people who sell drugs (street or prescription) to other people who OD and die, murder? What if the person the seller sells his drugs to later kills someone while impaired, does the seller get charged with murder too?

What are the limits to this new form of murder? Is there a limit to the degrees of separation?

I don't think any of those people should be charged with murder

Irrational fear of guns

[Emo EMAW]

What in the world?

Edit: @emo

What's wrong with that?  Come at me.

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[8manpick]

What in the world?

Edit: @emo

What's wrong with that?  Come at me.

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Greer shot a woman who was running away from him twice in the back. He was not defending himself. He was not in danger. Sounds pretty murdery to me. Adams was robbing Greer, not killing the woman. This seems fairly straightforward to me. It would be a travesty if Greer gets anything less than manslaughter.

[Emo EMAW]

What in the world?

Edit: @emo

What's wrong with that?  Come at me.

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Greer shot a woman who was running away from him twice in the back. He was not defending himself. He was not in danger. Sounds pretty murdery to me. Adams was robbing Greer, not killing the woman. This seems fairly straightforward to me. It would be a travesty if Greer gets anything less than manslaughter.

Do you not understand the law?  Its been explained.  Shall I?

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[8manpick]

Assuming that is the law, that only explains why Adams would get murder, not why Greer wouldn't. If Adams does get charged here it is either an unjust law or an inappropriate application of it.

[Emo EMAW]

Assuming that is the law, that only explains why Adams would get murder, not why Greer wouldn't. If Adams does get charged here it is either an unjust law or an inappropriate application of it.

I said Greer would get charged.   

Also, Adams must be charged and it is a perfect application of the law.  Ideal IMO.

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[8manpick]

Why should Greer get a lighter sentence?

[Emo EMAW]

Why should Greer get a lighter sentence?

Because its 2nd degree or maybe even 3rd.  Adams is 1st degree.

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[8manpick]

If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust

[Emo EMAW]

If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust

Why?  He planned to do something inherently dangerous and illegal.   Someone died as a result.   Why is he not responsible for his bad decisions? 

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[SdK]

By interesting I meant foolish

Ok.

[SdK]

Because he shot her as she was running away twice in the back? That's more aquisition of ground rather than standing imo.

[Emo EMAW]

Because he shot her as she was running away twice in the back? That's more aquisition of ground rather than standing imo.

I already said he should be charged.   Jfc read.

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[SdK]

I wasn't talking to you?

[8manpick]

If Adams is charged with 1st degree murder for his role in the death, and that is the correct application of the law, then it seems patently obvious to me that the law is unjust

Why?  He planned to do something inherently dangerous and illegal.   Someone died as a result.   Why is he not responsible for his bad decisions? 

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This isn't the case of an innocent bystander accidentally getting killed in the crossfire. This is a bloodthirsty old man deciding to kill someone who was no longer threatening him and was running away.  I think killers should be charged with crimes for killing people and non-killers shouldn't.