oscar WEBER CAN'T WIN ON THE ROAD AND WILL NEVER WIN IN THE TOURNEY

[mocat]

Also, how can you expect oscar to have a .500 road record when there is an odd number of road games?

[kso_FAN]

There is no evidence to believe Weber is a poor road coach from his career in BCS conferences. He has won 48.5% of his road games overall and even if you remove his first 2 seasons at Illinois (when he went 15-3) he has still won 41.2% of his road games. Some seem to be making his ability to win on the road to Wooly and Asbury and that is simply not the case. If we don't win another road game this year it will be the only year he's won only 1 road game as a coach and only the 2nd season with less than 3 wins. 6 of 11 of his seasons he's been .500 or better on the road.

[Trim]

Maybe it's not that we're extra bad on the road, but that we're just not that good in general and we're getting home wins off the emotion of heroes like winters and metalhead.

[sys]

maybe it's that every team in the big 12 except tcu is less than .1 from kstate's kenpom rating. 

[chum1]

Bad news, guys.  We're a really good home team.

[Powercat Posse]

Looking at these 4 road games where we had a chance to win.  And I am gonna take out the 2 OTs in Baylor, so just talking 40 minutes of reg here in 4 games.     Offensively one area that has really taking a dip is 3PTA and 3Pt %.      We are only making 29.2% and only 26.7% of our shots are from 3pt.     In contrast, our 6 home games we are shooting 40.4% and 33.5% of our shots are from 3pt

2pt is 49.4%.  TO% was 17.5%. Our OR% was 32.0 ---- those are all pretty close to our average in all conf games.
However FT shooting has been poor.  Only 56.7%.   We only are ave 15 FTAs in those 4 games, so the FTR is low, but when you only make 57%, having a higher FTR isn't really an advantage

[Cire]

There is no evidence to believe Weber is a poor road coach from his career in BCS conferences. He has won 48.5% of his road games overall and even if you remove his first 2 seasons at Illinois (when he went 15-3) he has still won 41.2% of his road games. Some seem to be making his ability to win on the road to Wooly and Asbury and that is simply not the case. If we don't win another road game this year it will be the only year he's won only 1 road game as a coach and only the 2nd season with less than 3 wins. 6 of 11 of his seasons he's been .500 or better on the road.

just do illinois and kstate.  Siu is irrelevant

[kso_FAN]

There is no evidence to believe Weber is a poor road coach from his career in BCS conferences. He has won 48.5% of his road games overall and even if you remove his first 2 seasons at Illinois (when he went 15-3) he has still won 41.2% of his road games. Some seem to be making his ability to win on the road to Wooly and Asbury and that is simply not the case. If we don't win another road game this year it will be the only year he's won only 1 road game as a coach and only the 2nd season with less than 3 wins. 6 of 11 of his seasons he's been .500 or better on the road.

just do illinois and kstate.  Siu is irrelevant

Read again.

I have no idea what his road record was at SIU.

[kim carnes]

Just joking guys.  oscar is a good coach and he's just having a tough time on the road this year.  Get off his back already.  Go cats.

[Cire]

There is no evidence to believe Weber is a poor road coach from his career in BCS conferences. He has won 48.5% of his road games overall and even if you remove his first 2 seasons at Illinois (when he went 15-3) he has still won 41.2% of his road games. Some seem to be making his ability to win on the road to Wooly and Asbury and that is simply not the case. If we don't win another road game this year it will be the only year he's won only 1 road game as a coach and only the 2nd season with less than 3 wins. 6 of 11 of his seasons he's been .500 or better on the road.

just do illinois and kstate.  Siu is irrelevant

Read again.

I have no idea what his road record was at SIU.

What's huggs?  Eddie sutton?

[MakeItRain]

hey guys just catching up, is this the thread where we discuss our senior leader leaving the nations best point shooter when Baylor needed a 3?

[Powercat Posse]

hey guys just catching up, is this the thread where we discuss our senior leader leaving the nations best point shooter when Baylor needed a 3?

You talking about that Senior holding nation's best shooter to 0 for 6 from 3pt and our entire team failing to get a defensive rebound on 3 different occasions in the final 20 seconds.    Remember, 1 of the reasons we had a 3 pt lead was because Heslip was 0-6

[MakeItRain]

hey guys just catching up, is this the thread where we discuss our senior leader leaving the nations best point shooter when Baylor needed a 3?

You talking about that Senior holding nation's best shooter to 0 for 6 from 3pt and our entire team failing to get a defensive rebound on 3 different occasions in the final 20 seconds.    Remember, 1 of the reasons we had a 3 pt lead was because Heslip was 0-6

so you're okay with Heslip being left there? I don't give a dame if he was "held" "held" to 0-10, he's a 50% 3 point shooter, I'm okay with thinking it is more than reasonable to not let him have a clean look at a buzzer-beating 3.

[kso_FAN]

hey guys just catching up, is this the thread where we discuss our senior leader leaving the nations best point shooter when Baylor needed a 3?

Nino and Will were both really bad on that last rebound. It looks like both thought there was no way Baylor world get another shot. They relaxed and didn't finish out the play. Will was in no position to rebound, it was completely dumb to leave Heslip.

[slucat]

DNR most of this thread but a lot of herp derp going on here.

The team is lead by FR, FR don't win on the road much.  Baylor was reeling, needing a win, got a last second 3 to tie, and then K-State is in foul trouble; boom, KSU loss.  Can't believe they had a 2nd OT. 

Keep in mind this was supposed to be the bad year...oh ps, most of you wanted to throw will under the bus (or significantly worse); now we're calling him a senior leader, pssh...

[MakeItRain]

DNR most of this thread but a lot of herp derp going on here.

The team is lead by FR, FR don't win on the road much.  Baylor was reeling, needing a win, got a last second 3 to tie, and then K-State is in foul trouble; boom, KSU loss.  Can't believe they had a 2nd OT. 

Keep in mind this was supposed to be the bad year...oh ps, most of you wanted to throw will under the bus (or significantly worse); now we're calling him a senior leader, pssh...

I'm assuming most of the posters in this thread are busting chops, either way though, to tie expectations to what we thought the teams would be in October is a take for losers. Baylor was 3-8 with 4 straight home losses. We are coming off of back to back wins against the two best teams in the conference & had multiple double digit leads in that game. If you don't see that as a bad loss then you don't believe in bad losses.

Also that Will Spradling line was nonsensical, he was the only senior starting in that game that played significant minutes. I'm not sure what calling him the senior leader has to do with his past performance. Are we also ignoring that his career up to a month ago was a massive disappointment?

[slucat]

DNR most of this thread but a lot of herp derp going on here.

The team is lead by FR, FR don't win on the road much.  Baylor was reeling, needing a win, got a last second 3 to tie, and then K-State is in foul trouble; boom, KSU loss.  Can't believe they had a 2nd OT. 

Keep in mind this was supposed to be the bad year...oh ps, most of you wanted to throw will under the bus (or significantly worse); now we're calling him a senior leader, pssh...

I'm assuming most of the posters in this thread are busting chops, either way though, to tie expectations to what we thought the teams would be in October is a take for losers. Baylor was 3-8 with 4 straight home losses. We are coming off of back to back wins against the two best teams in the conference & had multiple double digit leads in that game. If you don't see that as a bad loss then you don't believe in bad losses.

Also that Will Spradling line was nonsensical, he was the only senior starting in that game that played significant minutes. I'm not sure what calling him the senior leader has to do with his past performance. Are we also ignoring that his career up to a month ago was a massive disappointment?

expectations are just that. meeting or exceeding them is great, when you keep raising the bar, it is unfair.
am i disappointed we lost, yep, surprised, nope. getting all butthurt about it is pointless. just trying to be rational.

[Clevey 2 Times]

I didn't think oscar's rotation decisions hurt us. Wes was bad and as mentioned earlier he's not good against a zone. We're young. It's going to show in end of game situations. The last sequence in regulation was unlucky and not well played by us.

What pisses me off is that Baylor just doesn't play hard because their head coach doesn't demand it and we lost to that team. They are more talented than us. But we should've won that game.

My fear going forward is that we'll continue to not find success recruiting capable bigs, at least not enough to have any depth and this will kill us against teams with more talent.

[8manpick]

DNR most of this thread but a lot of herp derp going on here.

The team is lead by FR, FR don't win on the road much.  Baylor was reeling, needing a win, got a last second 3 to tie, and then K-State is in foul trouble; boom, KSU loss.  Can't believe they had a 2nd OT. 

Keep in mind this was supposed to be the bad year...oh ps, most of you wanted to throw will under the bus (or significantly worse); now we're calling him a senior leader, pssh...

I'm assuming most of the posters in this thread are busting chops, either way though, to tie expectations to what we thought the teams would be in October is a take for losers. Baylor was 3-8 with 4 straight home losses. We are coming off of back to back wins against the two best teams in the conference & had multiple double digit leads in that game. If you don't see that as a bad loss then you don't believe in bad losses.

Also that Will Spradling line was nonsensical, he was the only senior starting in that game that played significant minutes. I'm not sure what calling him the senior leader has to do with his past performance. Are we also ignoring that his career up to a month ago was a massive disappointment?

expectations are just that. meeting or exceeding them is great, when you keep raising the bar, it is unfair.
am i disappointed we lost, yep, surprised, nope. getting all butthurt about it is pointless. just trying to be rational.

You are allowed to change your mind based on new information.  The idea that we should judge the team's performance in February based on our expectations from November when we knew little about the freshman, the player rotations, or Baylor's actual ability as a team is silly.

[ydarg2012]

I didn't think oscar's rotation decisions hurt us. Wes was bad and as mentioned earlier he's not good against a zone. We're young. It's going to show in end of game situations. The last sequence in regulation was unlucky and not well played by us.

What pisses me off is that Baylor just doesn't play hard because their head coach doesn't demand it and we lost to that team. They are more talented than us. But we should've won that game.

My fear going forward is that we'll continue to not find success recruiting capable bigs, at least not enough to have any depth and this will kill us against teams with more talent.

What was the name of that big that was supposed to be really good this year but didn't make good enough grades to come to KState? I'm guessing that oscar was dealt a big blow when he couldn't come on campus.

[Stevesie60]

I didn't think oscar's rotation decisions hurt us. Wes was bad and as mentioned earlier he's not good against a zone. We're young. It's going to show in end of game situations. The last sequence in regulation was unlucky and not well played by us.

What pisses me off is that Baylor just doesn't play hard because their head coach doesn't demand it and we lost to that team. They are more talented than us. But we should've won that game.

My fear going forward is that we'll continue to not find success recruiting capable bigs, at least not enough to have any depth and this will kill us against teams with more talent.

What was the name of that big that was supposed to be really good this year but didn't make good enough grades to come to KState? I'm guessing that oscar was dealt a big blow when he couldn't come on campus.

Fincher. I believe he went the JUCO route and still has K-State in mind for his junior and senior year. But I'm not sure if we still have him in mind.

[#LIFE]

Not sure if this gem from the scout board has been posted yet

I would rather place 5th and beat KU than place 2nd and lose to KU.  Weber seemed to use some of this game to teach the kids.  He went for the win against KU.  It is clear that playing Thomas was a learning experience, even though it probably cost us our lead.

 

[Winters]

Not sure if this gem from the scout board has been posted yet

I would rather place 5th and beat KU than place 2nd and lose to KU.  Weber seemed to use some of this game to teach the kids.  He went for the win against KU.  It is clear that playing Thomas was a learning experience, even though it probably cost us our lead.

 

holy crap

[Winters]

Maybe it's not that we're extra bad on the road, but that we're just not that good in general and we're getting home wins off the emotion of heroes like winters and metalhead.

[sunny_cat]

Not sure if this gem from the scout board has been posted yet

I would rather place 5th and beat KU than place 2nd and lose to KU.  Weber seemed to use some of this game to teach the kids.  He went for the win against KU.  It is clear that playing Thomas was a learning experience, even though it probably cost us our lead.

 

YUP. This is why I hate K-State fans.