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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #225 on: February 12, 2014, 06:38:20 PM »
I agree with the guy on GoPo that says the students should stop chanting 'Fvck KU' because the Ath Dept is going to take away Sandstorm if they don't stop. I'm not particularly offended by the chant, but why risk losing Sandstorm moments completely just because you want to chant an uncreative, boring insult at KU?

Sandstorm with no 'Fvck KU' >>>>>>>>>>> no Sandstorm at all

We already lost the Jock Jams intro song because the students wanted to chant motherf'n Wildcats during it.  I'd hate to lose Sandstorm as well.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #226 on: February 12, 2014, 06:40:24 PM »
I'm against both but I think there is a big difference between chanting about an institution and saying a personal insult to a player 4 feet away in the stands.

articulate the difference.
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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #227 on: February 12, 2014, 06:56:51 PM »
My issue with the Smart/Orr interaction is that was a direct interaction between a student athlete and an overzealous fan. That fan took it too far because it was a personal attack where he looked a kid in the eye and used works of fisticuffs.  Now I find the  KU chant stupid and lowbrow, but there was not a singular interaction between a student/fan/alum and the player.  Now I would say the line is much finer between the Marcus Smart stuff and the dead beat daddy chant, where the stadium was directly targeting a student athlete.  But in my mind, because the F KU chant was SO generic, it didn't approach a personal eye to eye confrontation.

so you draw three distinctions:  1) lone actor, 2) personalized attack and 3) proximity.  i find the 1st and 3rd distinctions to be trivial.  acting as part of a crowd does not ameliorate immoral, unethical or unsavory behavior.  neither does distance - the action is the same, proximity simply provided the target of the action a chance to identify his antagonist and respond.

the second point is more convincing.  i do think there is some distinction to be made between insulting an individual person for some perceived or imagined personal characteristic vs insulting an institution (or even a group of people).  however it is a finer distinction than it might seem when removed from the ritualized group identities of sports/university allegiance.  for example many of the posters in the tech fan thread assumed that the fan had insulted smart by using a term based on racial group identity.  in that context, insults relating to group identity rather than personal characteristics were considered more offensive, not less so.  as such, i suspect that we (i) are fitting a posthoc logical framework of what makes an action offensive around our (my) emotional perception of the action, rather than the reverse.
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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #228 on: February 12, 2014, 07:08:35 PM »
what if they made a dvd of them making the t-shirt with the dvd on it and then everyone chanted "dvd of them making the t-shirt with the dvd on it" ?

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« Reply #229 on: February 12, 2014, 07:20:27 PM »
great post


I will say that I'm not saying proximity distance is that heavy a factor.  I mean if I got someone's attention from across the room and called them a piece of crap its still bad.  But it takes a special kind of man to look someone else in the eyes and consciously attack them.  There is a spatial component to all manner of human interactions.  From your "bubble" to the kinds of physical contact, it all radically changes based on the situation, cultural setting, and customs of the event.  We know that there is a fine distinction between player and spectator, which is why we find actions that blur that line to be shocking at times, see Ron Artest.  Fights happen every day in Detroit, but that was a special event because of the setting and its fine distinctions.  Similarly we find Smart's interaction to be the same blur of that line.  Now I don't in anyway mean to compare Smart to Artest, that would be stupid, but it was a situation where a fan had a negative interaction with a player because that proximity line had been blurred.  To the lone actor I could see your argument if the actions were similarly comparable.  Once again this draws a closer comparison between Rush/Smart than Orr/Smart.  But chant being generic in design and target does change the situation.  I think the comparison which is much hard to defend if you disapprove of the Smart/Orr is the deadbeat chant.

Personally I really don't buy the argument of group identity/race/personal characteristics that you might be making.  Group identities are radically different than identities based on your humanity, whether it be race, sexual orientation, or gender.  But I think we might be getting into the weeds of another conversation. 

I do agree that we, the board et al, are pulling our arguments based on the reaction rather than the action itself in much of this thread. 
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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #230 on: February 12, 2014, 07:36:14 PM »
Man, this thread is such a treat on a philosophical level.  A real intellectual exercise. 

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« Reply #231 on: February 12, 2014, 07:41:55 PM »
i don't care much either way but you're just yelling "eff somebody". like um ok. i mean and? it's just kind of stupid. like where is the punch line? eff them because of what? oh, no reason? just eff them? oh, umm ok. good one. talk to you later, man.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #232 on: February 12, 2014, 07:42:20 PM »
i still have no idea what the motherfucking wildcats thing is about, but i see it referenced here all the time
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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #233 on: February 12, 2014, 07:52:13 PM »
i still have no idea what the motherfucking wildcats thing is about, but i see it referenced here all the time

The "hey song." "Let's get ready to rumble!" song. On the K! S! U! chant, students add in "mother rough ridin'" before "wildcats."

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #234 on: February 12, 2014, 07:58:21 PM »
Man, this thread is such a treat on a philosophical level.  A real intellectual exercise.

It sure is!  Like a brain teaser for adults.


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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #235 on: February 12, 2014, 08:08:28 PM »
Anyone that says "eff" within earshot of anyone they don't know is a dumbass.

My god you're a pussy.

Sorry bro.  I don't know you and therefore have little to go with on how to accurately judge what kind of person you are.  Your limited vocabulary gives me a good starting point tho.

He's a 'Cats fan. #1cat

You say #1cat but you don't mean it, its more important to you to scream eff than to be polite to other cat fans watching their cats that doesn't want to hear you repeatedly scream eff.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #236 on: February 12, 2014, 08:12:04 PM »
the "harry potter" chant was kinda mean.

I also remember a "You hate women" for Ricky Clemons IIRC.

You hate women was awesome

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #237 on: February 12, 2014, 08:14:17 PM »
the "harry potter" chant was kinda mean.

I also remember a "You hate women" for Ricky Clemons IIRC.

Deadbeat Daddy was neat, imo.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #238 on: February 12, 2014, 08:16:07 PM »
again, a guy throwing double birds is kinda funny too me, "eff KU" is not. :dunno:

Who is this dude giving the double barrel to?

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #239 on: February 12, 2014, 08:21:01 PM »
the "harry potter" chant was kinda mean.

I also remember a "You hate women" for Ricky Clemons IIRC.

Deadbeat Daddy was neat, imo.

Deadbeat Daddy was also hilarious, nice job by those students bringing awareness to a social ill. Maybe we can just talk about the best chants we've heard at the ood or bsfs, further driving home one of the points about the stupidity of the eff ku chant. I thought the very first "we own Texas," chant that inspired the famous Bob Knight "good job, thank you" take, was amazing.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #240 on: February 12, 2014, 08:50:05 PM »
Can this be a heckle confessional/judgement time?

Here are some things I've yelled at players this year that I can remember.  I am definitely sure that players heard most of this stuff.  I've bolded the stuff that I don't necessarily regret, but I'm not necessarily proud to type out right now.

Ole Miss:
Marshall Henderson-
"Marshall, U mad?"
I also said something about his lightning bolt haircut.

oSu:
Nash-
Crybaby hands
"You can't handle Gip.  He's a man."
"You are going D-league, like your GPA."
You are shook.  Nash.  You are shook.

Smart-
participated in Flopper chant

George Washington:
Yelled Garino's name a lot.  Mostly just mocking GAA-REEE-NO!  And then would say something about not being able to handle Shane or something.
in junk time with our scrubs on the court I yelled at one of their players (Creek?) that this is when he would play for us.

W. Virginia:
Dibo-
"How does West Virginia compare to Paris?"
"Your defense is worse than the Maginot line?"

Officials:
Know a smattering of them (Doug Sirmons, John Higgins, Tom Eades, Mark Whitehead, Terry Oglesby, Paul Janssen, Joe De Rosa)

Usually just curse and complain about the specific thing that just happened to no one.  Then I will follow up with a specific complaint with less vulgarity directly to the ref using their first name.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #241 on: February 12, 2014, 08:51:20 PM »
again, a guy throwing double birds is kinda funny too me, "eff KU" is not. :dunno:

Who is this dude giving the double barrel to?

it wasn't a k-state game, it was some dude at an nfl game iirc and he was supporting the visiting team, standing out wearing the visiting team's jersey and telling the world and everyone around him to suck it.  i could be making this up. 


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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #242 on: February 12, 2014, 09:49:55 PM »
I think they stopped playing the hey hey whatta ya say let's gets mumped up song at fb games. It seems to me that the students will eventually make up some eff word chant to any song if its played enough times.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #243 on: February 13, 2014, 01:32:16 AM »
Can this be a heckle confessional/judgement time?

Here are some things I've yelled at players this year that I can remember.  I am definitely sure that players heard most of this stuff.  I've bolded the stuff that I don't necessarily regret, but I'm not necessarily proud to type out right now.

oSu:
Nash-
Crybaby hands
"You can't handle Gip.  He's a man."
"You are going D-league, like your GPA."
You are shook.  Nash.  You are shook.

Smart-
participated in Flopper chant

These were all great. I was proud to be a part of those. You also shouldn't be ashamed of the one's I redacted either.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #244 on: February 13, 2014, 01:45:55 AM »
again, a guy throwing double birds is kinda funny too me, "eff KU" is not. :dunno:

Who is this dude giving the double barrel to?

it wasn't a k-state game, it was some dude at an nfl game iirc and he was supporting the visiting team, standing out wearing the visiting team's jersey and telling the world and everyone around him to suck it.  i could be making this up. 

Yeah, that's the one I was trying to remember.  It's somewhere in the gif thread.  I can't find it, but I found a post I made talking about it being in the gif thread.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=23715.msg642855#msg642855

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« Reply #245 on: February 13, 2014, 01:52:59 AM »
Also, if you need a pick-me-up, do google image searches for "double bird" and such.

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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #246 on: February 13, 2014, 02:07:51 AM »
I agree with the guy on GoPo that says the students should stop chanting 'Fvck KU' because the Ath Dept is going to take away Sandstorm if they don't stop. I'm not particularly offended by the chant, but why risk losing Sandstorm moments completely just because you want to chant an uncreative, boring insult at KU?

Sandstorm with no 'Fvck KU' >>>>>>>>>>> no Sandstorm at all

We already lost the Jock Jams intro song because the students wanted to chant motherf'n Wildcats during it.  I'd hate to lose Sandstorm as well.

I never even noticed it was gone.
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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #247 on: February 13, 2014, 02:53:58 AM »
I think it's dumb, but I also did a lot of dumb things in college, so who am I to judge?

What the hell kind of defense it that? Can't wait till you have kids in college.
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The conversation isn't or shouldn't be about whether or not students have the right to swear in chants, what we should focus on is why people think their right to shout eff KU is more important to exercise than being polite to someone who does not want to hear that. I guarantee you when the students who chanted that when they are reminiscing on 2/10/15 about last night they won't remember a thing about that eff KU chant, the night would have been just as amazing without it. I also guarantee you that some mom is going to pull her hair out on Friday when their 7 year old gets busted for saying eff ku at school. Why? ARRRGGGAARRRHHH GOTTA SAY eff mom won't know it was me. I'm stunned that people are so offended by being asked to be considerate.

I'm just saying that I don't know most of those jackwagons, so I'm not going to throw stones. If I was sitting in the student section with them, and they were my buddies, then I'd tell them to give it a rest. I used to cringe when we would sit in line for the KU game and my fellow students would start the "Rock Chalk Jayhawk, eff KU!" chant when the local news camera was filming. I agree with you on being considerate of those you're around. If people have strange expectations for social etiquette, then eff 'em. I feel like refraining from chanting "eff" a bunch of times in front of old ladies and children isn't outside of social norms though. Also, when my kid calls me from prison asking to be bailed out after taking a dump on a cop car, then I'll just say "YOLO bitch! So, it's about time you start learning some life lessons, have fun in jail."
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Re: Seth Davis Butt Hurt over court storming and Student Section being obnoxious!
« Reply #248 on: February 13, 2014, 03:01:42 AM »
what if they made a dvd of them making the t-shirt with the dvd on it and then everyone chanted "dvd of them making the t-shirt with the dvd on it" ?
That would we one side of the Bram, then the other side would shout back:
"DOUBLE BOX SET"
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« Reply #249 on: February 13, 2014, 03:13:50 AM »
what if they made a dvd of them making the t-shirt with the dvd on it and then everyone chanted "dvd of them making the t-shirt with the dvd on it" ?

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