people talk about atheletes and student loan stuff

[BIG APPLE CAT]

So, all comparisons to other things aside.  Would there be a fair and economic way to give compensation for SA meeting specific goals in their season?  Similar to bonuses that coaches get for making a bowl game etc. ?  The idea being that this is your job and we are giving you education, meals, and housing as payment.  If you want a bonus, show us what you can do on the field.  There would have to be regulation by the NCAA about how much could actually be given to any one player, but it could be up to the individual schools to determine the criteria the athletes needed to achieve to get their "bonus".

I don't think you were making a valid comparison in the first place. Servers in a restaurant are cogs in a machine that are completely replaceable. Show me a chilis that went belly up bc a bartender decided to quit and finish up that degree in physics. SAs should be viewed as skilled labor. Talent (or lack thereof) at their positions will absolutely have a meaningful impact on the success of the program.

[ydarg2012]

So, all comparisons to other things aside.  Would there be a fair and economic way to give compensation for SA meeting specific goals in their season?  Similar to bonuses that coaches get for making a bowl game etc. ?  The idea being that this is your job and we are giving you education, meals, and housing as payment.  If you want a bonus, show us what you can do on the field.  There would have to be regulation by the NCAA about how much could actually be given to any one player, but it could be up to the individual schools to determine the criteria the athletes needed to achieve to get their "bonus".

I don't think you were making a valid comparison in the first place. Servers in a restaurant are cogs in a machine that are completely replaceable. Show me a chilis that went belly up bc a bartender decided to quit and finish up that degree in physics. SAs should be viewed as skilled labor. Talent (or lack thereof) at their positions will absolutely have a meaningful impact on the success of the program.

Entirely true. I think my initial comparison was so people could get an idea of what I was implying by a performance based compensation. . . and it got off track.  Though in counterpoint to your argument if we aren't talking five stars here, if a SA leaves a school they are replaceable.  Not as easily as your example, but there has to be some amount of accountability on the athlete and not an expectation that they are irreplaceable.  Though Snyder has proven (most recently with Bryce Brown) that he cares very little about how good his team could be if you don't meet his expectations. 

[Clevey 2 Times]

Well this thread has turned into a train wreck dumpster fire.

Ydarg has my vote for "cutest" poster. Cute in the way that mentally handicapped kid in high school was. You know, the one that everyone patronized and thought they were just "being nice and helping".

[The Big Train]

Well this thread has turned into a train wreck dumpster fire.

Ydarg has my vote for "cutest" poster. Cute in the way that mentally handicapped kid in high school was. You know, the one that everyone patronized and thought they were just "being nice and helping".

 

[mocat]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

 

[ZappaCat]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

 

I didn't realize the NLRB ruling only applies to private universities and not to public.

[Katpappy]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

 

This is a big, big start of something that should have happened twenty years ago.

[ydarg2012]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

 

 

[CNS]

Employees get paid, you guys.

[CNS]

Also, the first strike is going to be hilarious in the media.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Employees get paid, you guys.

Unless they are volunteers. Then they aren't really employees at all. On the bright side, a whole lot of scabs are going to get quality educations.

[Katpappy]

Employees get paid, you guys.

Unless they are volunteers. Then they aren't really employees at all. On the bright side, a whole lot of scabs are going to get quality educations.

Do players in the NFL all get the same pay?  So what makes you think the whole football team will receive the same pay.

[p1k3]

this could ruin college football 

[HerrSonntag]

http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10677763/northwestern-wildcats-football-players-win-bid-unionize

 

I didn't realize the NLRB ruling only applies to private universities and not to public.

Public employee unions and unions at private companies are subject to different rules/regulations.

[EMAWmeister]

Does Jon Erskine post here? I want to PI him but I need more than 140 characters

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

I can't wait to see their faces when they get their W2's in the mail.What does a year's worth of tuition, room, and board come to at NW? How about transportation compensation? Taxable?

[Trim]

Does Jon Erskine post here? I want to PI him but I need more than 140 characters

No, but I completed a twitter argument with him once by leaving a fire oscar calendar magnet stuck on a light pole at the "Great Mall" in Olathe for him to pick up.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yep IF tuition to say NW, food, shelter, etc. etc. are taxable, than those guys can expect to get a relevant tax document into the 6 figures. 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

They're claiming to be employees, employees get paid, you get paid you pay taxes. They're compensation for this year would be $57,108. Standard deduction is $6200, so tax on $50,908 would be about $8600 for federal, and a good chunk for Illinois state income, about 5%, would be $2500. So they will need to come up with about $11,000 plus some FICA and such.

[Boakai]

They're claiming to be employees, employees get paid, you get paid you pay taxes. They're compensation for this year would be $57,108. Standard deduction is $6200, so tax on $50,908 would be about $8600 for federal, and a good chunk for Illinois state income, about 5%, would be $2500. So they will need to come up with about $11,000 plus some FICA and such.

But I don't think they would unionize if they felt like their value as players was equal in return to the education they received through their scholarship. The problem is that these players think that they should get a slice of the supposed millions of dollars that the university makes off of them, and in the case of NW these players think that slice is bigger than $57,108.

IMO part of the issue not being discussed much is that universities have failed to adequately promote the value of the educations they provide and the positive investments on peoples lives that they offer...It's been purely turned into a set-in-stone value determined by how much tuition happens to cost at the moment.

[Rage Against the McKee]

They're claiming to be employees, employees get paid, you get paid you pay taxes. They're compensation for this year would be $57,108. Standard deduction is $6200, so tax on $50,908 would be about $8600 for federal, and a good chunk for Illinois state income, about 5%, would be $2500. So they will need to come up with about $11,000 plus some FICA and such.

I think they would only be on the hook for their stipend, though. Tuition, books, and other education-related expenses are tax-deductable.

[CNS]

Does a non-athlete student, who is receiving a full scholarship, account for it on their taxes? 

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Does a non-athlete student, who is receiving a full scholarship, account for it on their taxes?

I don't think they are considered unionized employees of the school.

[CNS]

Not unionized,  but plenty of kids are employed by the uni.

[slucat]

Not unionized,  but plenty of kids are employed by the uni.

If you work as a student, you will get a W-2 from the university, and therefore be expected to pay taxes, or at least file them.