Richard Sherman hates Crabtree, loves L.L. Bean

[MadCat]

 

[star seed 7]

can anyone show me when a white guy (or hell, even another black guy) reacted this way in a postgame interview?  maybe the reaction is because of jackassery, not because of race.

coaches treat each other like crap all of the time after games. tennis players yell at the umpire in every tournament(serena gets grief for it). baseball managers lose their minds a few times a season. all of this stuff happens plus much more and my timeline doesn't explode with people commenting on their "ignorance" or "classless" behavior. i get that the nfl is insanely popular but the outrage is nonexistant in other circumstances where the individual is white and therefore more predictable to middle america.

john mcenroe (sp?) got crap for it all the time too.  and if you can't see the difference between coaches/managers/players getting angry and arguing with the refs over a call, and a player yelling into the camera/at the interviewer about how great he is, then i don't know what to tell you.  americans in general like humble players, that goes for all races.

John McEnroe became the biggest star in tennis because of his actions. I mean he's doing credit card commercials 20 years after he retired because of the way he used to act.

Did anyone call him a thug or ignorant at any point in his career? I suppose it's possible, but unlikely.

don't be ignorant.  you and me both know he was labeled a crybaby and hothead.  he was mocked in late night talk shows and SNL (omg, like kanye was after throwing a fit).  he's popular now because he made fun of his past actions, people tend to forgive you when you do that.

like i said though, arguing a call with an official is totally different than what sherman did, and everyone knows it.

[mocat]

sherman will still be famous in 20 years as well and for the same reason

['taterblast]

don't be ignorant.  you and me both know he was labeled a crybaby and hothead.  he was mocked in late night talk shows and SNL (omg, like kanye was after throwing a fit).  he's popular now because he made fun of his past actions, people tend to forgive you when you do that.

not unlike mike tyson

[bubbles4ksu]

can anyone show me when a white guy (or hell, even another black guy) reacted this way in a postgame interview?  maybe the reaction is because of jackassery, not because of race.

coaches treat each other like crap all of the time after games. tennis players yell at the umpire in every tournament(serena gets grief for it). baseball managers lose their minds a few times a season. all of this stuff happens plus much more and my timeline doesn't explode with people commenting on their "ignorance" or "classless" behavior. i get that the nfl is insanely popular but the outrage is nonexistant in other circumstances where the individual is white and therefore more predictable to middle america.

john mcenroe (sp?) got crap for it all the time too.  and if you can't see the difference between coaches/managers/players getting angry and arguing with the refs over a call, and a player yelling into the camera/at the interviewer about how great he is, then i don't know what to tell you.  americans in general like humble players, that goes for all races.

just look at gE.  shellshock says if people saw what he works on, they would blush cause it's so big timey, and everyone laughs at the jackass for being a jackass.

the guy who just got done playing an nfl game and making the biggest play of his life and of his team's season should be able to say whatever the eff he wants without being called arrogant.

competing your ass off and caring about the outcome of your matchup and of the game like sherman does is better sportsmanship than 10 million interviews of "aww shucks, i just did my best." if americans don't understand that they don't understand sport.

[star seed 7]

yeah, he should be able to say whatever he wants.  he should also be judged for what he says.

trim 3:16 and trim 3:17

[bubbles4ksu]

yeah, he should be able to say whatever he wants.  he should also be judged for what he says.

trim 3:16 and trim 3:17

judged as "classless" "arrogant" "ignorant" "a n-word" for yelling into the mic after a personal and team victory. he plays a violent sport in a position where people talk after every single play. it was a hilarious expression of emotion, not cause to be hated. people who hate him for it have a deeper agenda that they may not even be aware of.

[slobber]

I don't say these things because I believe in the ‘brute' nature of men or that men must be brutalized to be combative. I believe in God, and I believe in human decency. But I firmly believe that any man's finest hour -- his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear -- is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and yells at the television camera and reporter on the field of battle, proclaiming his greatness, victorious.


Also, _Fan, I loved the Oregonian letter to the ed.

[bubbles4ksu]

I don't say these things because I believe in the ‘brute' nature of men or that men must be brutalized to be combative. I believe in God, and I believe in human decency. But I firmly believe that any man's finest hour -- his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear -- is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and yells at the television camera and reporter on the field of battle, proclaiming his greatness, victorious.

beautiful words, dobbs. you get it.

[star seed 7]

yeah, he should be able to say whatever he wants.  he should also be judged for what he says.

trim 3:16 and trim 3:17

judged as "classless" "arrogant" "ignorant" "a n-word" for yelling into the mic after a personal and team victory. he plays a violent sport in a position where people talk after every single play. it was a hilarious expression of emotion, not cause to be hated. people who hate him for it have a deeper agenda that they may not even be aware of.

well, obviously i'm not saying that there is zero racism from his "haters".  those kind of people will always be around, but i don't think it's as prevalent as the article was making it out to be.  the "jameis is dumb" crowd is much better example of widespread racism i think, where a white player would be given more leniency for an accent.  if a white star said exactly what sherman said, the reaction would be the same (minus the small contingent of n-word/monkey tweets). look how many people hate manziel for his off the field arrogant/classless acts.

classless and arrogant are absolutely fair criticisms though.  ignorant has kind of taken on a meaning that is separate from it's dictionary definition, so i could see that being used as well by a lot of people.

personally i think jackass fits perfectly.

[ChiComCat]

Dumb people calling the Stanford grad ignorant is pretty racist.  Arrogant is probably fair.  Classless is fair too.  He apologized the next day but a lot of people ignore that because they already have the narrative they want.

I really don't get what the issue is.  He didn't cuss on national TV.  Do people want Bill Belichek presser boring?

[star seed 7]

I don't say these things because I believe in the ‘brute' nature of men or that men must be brutalized to be combative. I believe in God, and I believe in human decency. But I firmly believe that any man's finest hour -- his greatest fulfillment to all he holds dear -- is that moment when he has worked his heart out in a good cause and yells at the television camera and reporter on the field of battle, proclaiming his greatness, victorious.


Also, _Fan, I loved the Oregonian letter to the ed.

absolutely.  ego and arrogance are almost requirements to be a professional athlete (and many other very successful people).  but it's the sort of thing that is rarely seen publicly, and that reason is because the general public finds those qualities distasteful.  gE loves it, i get that, but surely you guys understand what normal humans are like too, right?

[_33]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

[Dr Rick Daris]

yeah i don't get the issue either. i mean if people want to feign shock and anger over the fact that one nfl player called another one mediocre then ok i guess. but it still seems weird to just have such a strong stance on it. mediocre is just a pretty weird line in the sand for some i guess and the seahawk guy crossed it. live and learn i suppose.

[slobber]

Seven, I get that. I am just having fun. Other than the adrenaline, I think players say things like this  more often than we are giving them credit for. Beaz and "play 'em in Africa" is a similar comment, no? Maybe not as much as a "me" comment as Sherman, but similar.

FTR, Beaz saying he'd play KU in Africa is eaz one of my top 5 KSU Cats quotes of all time. Somebody should start a thread.

[Dr Rick Daris]

i mean seriously though...

"what's that??! he did what!?!?! oh no he didn't! he called another person mediocre??!! that's it, go get me the laptop. i am going to just go off on twitter about this. mediocre?! i mean what is the world even coming to!?!? i mean they have to fine him or not let him play in the super bowl, right? mediocre. wow, just wow. just when you thought you've heard it all. i'm just so mad i could spit! mediocre, huh? man the nerve."

[ChiComCat]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

Off the field Manziel got drunk and disappointed a bunch of kids at a camp.  Off the court Henderson does a crap ton of drugs.  Off the field Sherman does charity events and graduates from Stanford.

[sunny_cat]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

Off the field Manziel got drunk and disappointed a bunch of kids at a camp.  Off the court Henderson does a crap ton of drugs.  Off the field Sherman does charity events and graduates from Stanford.

Yeah, it's not really the same.

[EMAWmeister]

i mean seriously though...

"what's that??! he did what!?!?! oh no he didn't! he called another person mediocre??!! that's it, go get me the laptop. i am going to just go off on twitter about this. mediocre?! i mean what is the world even coming to!?!? i mean they have to fine him or not let him play in the super bowl, right? mediocre. wow, just wow. just when you thought you've heard it all. i'm just so mad i could spit! mediocre, huh? man the nerve."

I think you are forgetting that a large portion of the American public is very stupid.

[_33]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

Off the field Manziel got drunk and disappointed a bunch of kids at a camp.  Off the court Henderson does a crap ton of drugs.  Off the field Sherman does charity events and graduates from Stanford.

People don't hate Maziel or Marshall because of on the field issues.  It's their on field antics and soundbytes that draw the ire of fans, just like with this case.  It's exactly the same.

[michigancat]

like i said though, arguing a call with an official is totally different than what sherman did, and everyone knows it.

well, yeah. In one case you're berating an authority figure in charge of keeping the contest fair and safe, and in the other you're merely addressing an anonymous audience and competitor. Everyone knows it.

[EMAWmeister]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

Off the field Manziel got drunk and disappointed a bunch of kids at a camp.  Off the court Henderson does a crap ton of drugs.  Off the field Sherman does charity events and graduates from Stanford.

People don't hate Maziel or Marshall because of on the field issues.  It's their on field antics and soundbytes that draw the ire of fans, just like with this case.  It's exactly the same.

Henderson's antics are a much better comparison than those of JFF, but he doesn't have the talent to back it up like RS or JF. Also, how often do you see idiots/tucks on twitter calling MH a 'wigger'. I think race certainly plays a part.

[sunny_cat]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

Off the field Manziel got drunk and disappointed a bunch of kids at a camp.  Off the court Henderson does a crap ton of drugs.  Off the field Sherman does charity events and graduates from Stanford.

People don't hate Maziel or Marshall because of onff (assuming that's what you meant) the field issues.  It's their on field antics and soundbytes that draw the ire of fans, just like with this case.  It's exactly the same.

Maybe that's the case for Marshall, but that's a lot of the reason people hate Manziel. The partying and whatnot.

[sunny_cat]

Isn't this the same reason tons of people hate Johnny Manziel and Marshall Henderson?

Off the field Manziel got drunk and disappointed a bunch of kids at a camp.  Off the court Henderson does a crap ton of drugs.  Off the field Sherman does charity events and graduates from Stanford.

People don't hate Maziel or Marshall because of on the field issues.  It's their on field antics and soundbytes that draw the ire of fans, just like with this case.  It's exactly the same.

Henderson's antics are a much better comparison than those of JFF, but he doesn't have the talent to back it up like RS or JF. Also, how often do you see idiots/tucks on twitter calling MH a 'wigger'. I think race certainly plays a part.

Haven't heard this word since middle school.

[MakeItRain]

can anyone show me when a white guy (or hell, even another black guy) reacted this way in a postgame interview?  maybe the reaction is because of jackassery, not because of race.

Who exactly are you referring to? There was clearly lots of negative reaction that was real racist and some that were not.

The debate that followed your post lost me a bit, is anyone here seriously attempting to debate to debate that America doesn't prefer its black humble and well spoken?