Unsettled Waters

[steve dave]

Sams took the lead vs. oSu? 3 really bad interceptions.

Like it or not Sams has 4 interceptions on 400 yards passing. Jake has 5 interceptions on 1,400 yards passing. It's not even close.

Waters has 6 fumbles on 238 rushing yards and Sams has 3 on 600.  What's your point?

A QB's job is to throw.

lol

[Skipper44]

Sams took the lead vs. oSu? 3 really bad interceptions.

Like it or not Sams has 4 interceptions on 400 yards passing. Jake has 5 interceptions on 1,400 yards passing. It's not even close.

Waters has 6 fumbles on 238 rushing yards and Sams has 3 on 600.  What's your point?

A QB's job is to throw.

are you sure you are cat football fan?

[kougar24]

Sams took the lead vs. oSu? 3 really bad interceptions.

Like it or not Sams has 4 interceptions on 400 yards passing. Jake has 5 interceptions on 1,400 yards passing. It's not even close.

Waters has 6 fumbles on 238 rushing yards and Sams has 3 on 600.  What's your point?

A QB's job is to throw.

[kso_FAN]

Sams took the lead vs. oSu? 3 really bad interceptions.

Like it or not Sams has 4 interceptions on 400 yards passing. Jake has 5 interceptions on 1,400 yards passing. It's not even close.

Waters has 6 fumbles on 238 rushing yards and Sams has 3 on 600.  What's your point?

A QB's job is to throw.

This is college football. The job is to put your team in position to win games and clearly in Snyder's system there is much more to that than just throwing.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Sams had a chance against both OSU and Baylor.

yes he did.  and did exceedingly well.  which is more than can be said about Waters in any game this year. 

a loss is a loss.  But, can you imagine what the OSU and BU games would have looked like had Bill given the keys to Jake and told him to be home by 10?  I mean, it would've been brutal.     

While neither QB is the answer, Sams fits what this program has been built to do and will continue to do with Aaron Sharp.  run, run, run some more.

What on earth?

Sams was atrocious against OSU.  His best game was against Baylor for sure,but he got hurt during that game and had an awful turnover at the end.  He also forced us to burn all 3 second half tos 7 minutes into the third quarter.


I'd say Waters and Sams remain close to equal.

[Tobias]

I SAID GET BACK IN THE KITCHEN!

[CNS]

Sams took the lead vs. oSu? 3 really bad interceptions.

Like it or not Sams has 4 interceptions on 400 yards passing. Jake has 5 interceptions on 1,400 yards passing. It's not even close.

Waters has 6 fumbles on 238 rushing yards and Sams has 3 on 600.  What's your point?

A QB's job is to throw.

Not necessarily.   Do you even KSU, bro?

[kougar24]

Sams had a chance against both OSU and Baylor.

yes he did.  and did exceedingly well.  which is more than can be said about Waters in any game this year. 

a loss is a loss.  But, can you imagine what the OSU and BU games would have looked like had Bill given the keys to Jake and told him to be home by 10?  I mean, it would've been brutal.     

While neither QB is the answer, Sams fits what this program has been built to do and will continue to do with Aaron Sharp.  run, run, run some more.

What on earth?

Sams was atrocious against OSU.  His best game was against Baylor for sure,but he got hurt during that game and had an awful turnover at the end.  He also forced us to burn all 3 second half tos 7 minutes into the third quarter.


I'd say Waters and Sams remain close to equal.

Which means you give the keys to Sams. For the future.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I get this board likes Sams and I really do also. But given the last 4 games I don't think he has separated himself. And frankly many this board gives him free passes that I've never seen them give any other K-State player or coach.

The anti-waters bullshit has reached anti-weber levels of irrational behavior and delusion.

[kougar24]

I get this board likes Sams and I really do also. But given the last 4 games I don't think he has separated himself. And frankly many this board gives him free passes that I've never seen them give any other K-State player or coach.

The anti-waters bullshit has reached anti-weber levels of irrational behavior and delusion.

There's nothing irrational about being anti-Weber, dummy.

[steve dave]

I'm not anti-Waters. I'm just anti-playing the inferior QB the majority of the snaps despite the statistical (and eye test) evidence showing that he is the lesser player.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I get this board likes Sams and I really do also. But given the last 4 games I don't think he has separated himself. And frankly many this board gives him free passes that I've never seen them give any other K-State player or coach.

If they're even, Sams should be given the job full time. He's younger and has a far higher ceiling. It makes no sense to waste this extremely valuable practice time on Waters, who is at his ceiling already.

I get this, but more so next year. With Lockett and Thompson I think the desire to make Waters work is a bit more appealing to the staff.

That makes no sense. Lockett and Thompson benefit Sams as much as they do Waters. Why wouldn't you let them help accelerate Sams' passing development? Our future with Waters is forgettable at best.

Sams hasn't shown the ability to make the throws where Lockett and Thompson are difference makers, specifically deep post routes and fades down the sidelines. I appreciate Sams ability to throw underneath routes with accuracy, but not throwing those vertical routes really limits the offense when he is in the game.

Now is when Sams needs to work on that, in a season that is already lost. So he is better at it in a year that matters.

This is so rough ridin' stupid it hurts to read.  Sams (more importantly the rest of the team) will benefit tremendously if we make a bowl game and he gets extra practice. Throwing the season so he can have unlimited fuckups all because you think his ceiling is higher than the #1 juco qb and 1 additional year of eligibility helps no one. He isn't anywhere near Waters as far as throwing the ball, this isn't debatable nor is it a function of "opportunity".  Waters so-called poor throwing day is more of a function of MiR slanted opinion based on what he watched from the 35 row of the stadium than anything actually true.  He made some great throws down field as evidenced by his rediculous 16 yard per completion performance.


All of you shut up.

[steve dave]

sams has a higher completion percentage and higher ypa than waters. also a significantly higher aQBR. also we score on a higher percentage of series that he is the primary QB.

[kougar24]

I get this board likes Sams and I really do also. But given the last 4 games I don't think he has separated himself. And frankly many this board gives him free passes that I've never seen them give any other K-State player or coach.

If they're even, Sams should be given the job full time. He's younger and has a far higher ceiling. It makes no sense to waste this extremely valuable practice time on Waters, who is at his ceiling already.

I get this, but more so next year. With Lockett and Thompson I think the desire to make Waters work is a bit more appealing to the staff.

That makes no sense. Lockett and Thompson benefit Sams as much as they do Waters. Why wouldn't you let them help accelerate Sams' passing development? Our future with Waters is forgettable at best.

Sams hasn't shown the ability to make the throws where Lockett and Thompson are difference makers, specifically deep post routes and fades down the sidelines. I appreciate Sams ability to throw underneath routes with accuracy, but not throwing those vertical routes really limits the offense when he is in the game.

Now is when Sams needs to work on that, in a season that is already lost. So he is better at it in a year that matters.

This is so rough ridin' stupid it hurts to read.  Sams (more importantly the rest of the team) will benefit tremendously if we make a bowl game and he gets extra practice. Throwing the season so he can have unlimited fuckups all because you think his ceiling is higher than the #1 juco qb and 1 additional year of eligibility helps no one. He isn't anywhere near Waters as far as throwing the ball, this isn't debatable nor is it a function of "opportunity".  Waters so-called poor throwing day is more of a function of MiR slanted opinion based on what he watched from the 35 row of the stadium than anything actually true.  He made some great throws down field as evidenced by his rediculous 16 yard per completion performance.


All of you shut up.

You think we wouldn't make a bowl with Sams as the starter? LOL.

[kso_FAN]

This is so rough ridin' stupid it hurts to read.  Sams (more importantly the rest of the team) will benefit tremendously if we make a bowl game and he gets extra practice. Throwing the season so he can have unlimited fuckups all because you think his ceiling is higher than the #1 juco qb and 1 additional year of eligibility helps no one. He isn't anywhere near Waters as far as throwing the ball, this isn't debatable nor is it a function of "opportunity".  Waters so-called poor throwing day is more of a function of MiR slanted opinion based on what he watched from the 35 row of the stadium than anything actually true.  He made some great throws down field as evidenced by his rediculous 16 yard per completion performance.


All of you shut up.

Much of what you said I can agree with, but there is no question that Waters missed multiple throws yesterday to open receivers, especially in the first half. His day should have been 250+ yards with at least 2 touchdowns if he is a little more accurate.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

This is so rough ridin' stupid it hurts to read.  Sams (more importantly the rest of the team) will benefit tremendously if we make a bowl game and he gets extra practice. Throwing the season so he can have unlimited fuckups all because you think his ceiling is higher than the #1 juco qb and 1 additional year of eligibility helps no one. He isn't anywhere near Waters as far as throwing the ball, this isn't debatable nor is it a function of "opportunity".  Waters so-called poor throwing day is more of a function of MiR slanted opinion based on what he watched from the 35 row of the stadium than anything actually true.  He made some great throws down field as evidenced by his rediculous 16 yard per completion performance.


All of you shut up.

Much of what you said I can agree with, but there is no question that Waters missed multiple throws yesterday to open receivers, especially in the first half. His day should have been 250+ yards with at least 2 touchdowns if he is a little more accurate.

He missed a couple throws, he didn't have a poor throwing day.

[kougar24]

This is so rough ridin' stupid it hurts to read.  Sams (more importantly the rest of the team) will benefit tremendously if we make a bowl game and he gets extra practice. Throwing the season so he can have unlimited fuckups all because you think his ceiling is higher than the #1 juco qb and 1 additional year of eligibility helps no one. He isn't anywhere near Waters as far as throwing the ball, this isn't debatable nor is it a function of "opportunity".  Waters so-called poor throwing day is more of a function of MiR slanted opinion based on what he watched from the 35 row of the stadium than anything actually true.  He made some great throws down field as evidenced by his rediculous 16 yard per completion performance.


All of you shut up.

Much of what you said I can agree with

do you hear yourself?

[wetwillie]

sams has a higher completion percentage and higher ypa than waters. also a significantly higher aQBR. also we score on a higher percentage of series that he is the primary QB.

The numbers don't lie.  neither does 5.3 ypc vs 3.4 ypc advantage in rushing. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Iirc, the miss to lockett was because lockett chose to run a slant through zone rather than sit down where he was supposed to.

[kso_FAN]

do you hear yourself?

Yeah, just fine.

[steve dave]

sams has a higher completion percentage and higher ypa than waters. also a significantly higher aQBR. also we score on a higher percentage of series that he is the primary QB.

The numbers don't lie.  neither does 5.3 ypc vs 3.4 ypc advantage in rushing.

also waters lost to a D2 school and has turned it over more.

[kougar24]

do you hear yourself?

Yeah, just fine.

You agreed with dumbass that giving Sams the keys would cost us a bowl trip. Try again.

[kso_FAN]

do you hear yourself?

Yeah, just fine.

You agreed with dumbass that giving Sams the keys would cost us a bowl trip. Try again.

Much does not mean all.

[stunted]

Waters long passes

Long passes in my imo is the most exciting part of watching football.

[kougar24]

do you hear yourself?

Yeah, just fine.

You agreed with dumbass that giving Sams the keys would cost us a bowl trip. Try again.

Much does not mean all.

Revise it to agreeing with very little of what he said, and it'd be passable.