We look better than I thought we would

[Belvis Noland]

I prefer to use on-the-court results to determine the quality of a coach's recruiting. Frank's recruits took us to an elite 8, 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments, and a Big 12 Championship. I would say that he was recruiting on a very high level.

Ok.  so, I guess Snyder's recruiting at a high level too. 

Furthermore, I didn't say Frank was a poor recruiter.  I said that the further we got from the Hugs/Dalonte era, the further our recruiting had slipped.  IMHO, we were beginning to see much more Spradling/Nino/Omari/Southwell type players and less McGruder/Judge/Clemente/Kelly type players entering our program.  Again, IMHO, I believe that the Elite 8 days were behind us.  Maybe I would've been proved wrong. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

If these new guys oscar brought in end up being studs then I will defend oscar's recruiting and even want him to stick around for awhile. Something tells me they probably won't end up having the same kind of success that Frank's kids did, though.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I prefer to use on-the-court results to determine the quality of a coach's recruiting. Frank's recruits took us to an elite 8, 3 consecutive NCAA tournaments, and a Big 12 Championship. I would say that he was recruiting on a very high level.

Ok.  so, I guess Snyder's recruiting at a high level too.

Yes he is.

[sonofdaxjones]

Shane may be a decent talking point but rodney has never checked out in his first three yrs. Silly to suggest he would start his sr yr.

There's nothing to indicate to me that Frank wouldn't have been anything less than a raving mental basket case last year, so check out factor increases significantly.

[ksupamplemousse]

The Big 12 was really weak last year, and I think Frank would have been just fine. I don't see what any of that has to do with Frank recruiting at a high enough level to win the Big 12, though. His recruits were the only guys seeing significant minutes in conference play last year.

There were only 2 Weber recruits on the roster.   Stupid talking point.

Plus, there's absolutely nothing about the Robert Upshaw track record in hindsight that indicates he wouldn't have been back in Fresno within a month after classes started at K-State.   To keep bringing that guy up is just stupid on every level.   There's huge doubt if the guy would have even qualified at K-State.

If you can't qualify at K-State, then you pretty much can't qualify anywhere.

[sonofdaxjones]

The Big 12 was really weak last year, and I think Frank would have been just fine. I don't see what any of that has to do with Frank recruiting at a high enough level to win the Big 12, though. His recruits were the only guys seeing significant minutes in conference play last year.

There were only 2 Weber recruits on the roster.   Stupid talking point.

Plus, there's absolutely nothing about the Robert Upshaw track record in hindsight that indicates he wouldn't have been back in Fresno within a month after classes started at K-State.   To keep bringing that guy up is just stupid on every level.   There's huge doubt if the guy would have even qualified at K-State.

If you can't qualify at K-State, then you pretty much can't qualify anywhere.

I believe Fresno State and their conference have lower standards than the Big 12 and K-State.

[Stevesie60]

The Big 12 was really weak last year, and I think Frank would have been just fine. I don't see what any of that has to do with Frank recruiting at a high enough level to win the Big 12, though. His recruits were the only guys seeing significant minutes in conference play last year.

There were only 2 Weber recruits on the roster.   Stupid talking point.

Plus, there's absolutely nothing about the Robert Upshaw track record in hindsight that indicates he wouldn't have been back in Fresno within a month after classes started at K-State.   To keep bringing that guy up is just stupid on every level.   There's huge doubt if the guy would have even qualified at K-State.

You literally just made that up.

[ksupamplemousse]

The Big 12 was really weak last year, and I think Frank would have been just fine. I don't see what any of that has to do with Frank recruiting at a high enough level to win the Big 12, though. His recruits were the only guys seeing significant minutes in conference play last year.

There were only 2 Weber recruits on the roster.   Stupid talking point.

Plus, there's absolutely nothing about the Robert Upshaw track record in hindsight that indicates he wouldn't have been back in Fresno within a month after classes started at K-State.   To keep bringing that guy up is just stupid on every level.   There's huge doubt if the guy would have even qualified at K-State.

If you can't qualify at K-State, then you pretty much can't qualify anywhere.

I believe Fresno State and their conference have lower standards than the Big 12 and K-State.

I guess it's possible, but I have a hard time believing there is much difference.

[sonofdaxjones]

The Big 12 was really weak last year, and I think Frank would have been just fine. I don't see what any of that has to do with Frank recruiting at a high enough level to win the Big 12, though. His recruits were the only guys seeing significant minutes in conference play last year.

There were only 2 Weber recruits on the roster.   Stupid talking point.

Plus, there's absolutely nothing about the Robert Upshaw track record in hindsight that indicates he wouldn't have been back in Fresno within a month after classes started at K-State.   To keep bringing that guy up is just stupid on every level.   There's huge doubt if the guy would have even qualified at K-State.

You literally just made that up.

Okay, Upshaw getting into K-State was a foregone conclusion.   He's already been booted off the Fresno State. 

[ksupamplemousse]

Probably because Fresno is a cesspool filled with drugs and crime. Not a great place to stay out of trouble.

[sys]

There's huge doubt if the guy would have even qualified at K-State.

 

[CNS]

Going out on a limb here, but no way currie wouldn't have kept upshaw all tied up on the bench in street clothes.

Prob not just upshaw.  I mean if finding receipts wouldn't have gotten rid of frank, how far would currie have gone?

[sys]

I say we don't sniff a Big 12 Championship or an NCAA tourney invite last year with Frank at the helm.

 

[ksupamplemousse]

Going out on a limb here, but no way currie wouldn't have kept upshaw all tied up on the bench in street clothes.

Prob not just upshaw.  I mean if finding receipts wouldn't have gotten rid of frank, how far would currie have gone?

Would have photoshopped a picture to make it look like Frank was selling drugs to Upshaw, with Angel beating up a cop in the background.

[CNS]

The ncaa birth thing is also silly.  Frank had the media selling tickets for ksu.

[Belvis Noland]

I say we don't sniff a Big 12 Championship or an NCAA tourney invite last year with Frank at the helm.

 

I don't think we would've sniffed the BXII trophy, but probably would've done better in the NCAA.  certainly would've made the tourney. 

[sonofdaxjones]

sys we know where you stand, so don't even bother.   

Sad

[sonofdaxjones]

Probably because Fresno is a cesspool filled with drugs and crime. Not a great place to stay out of trouble.

Come on man.   There's drugs and crime in every city in America.   You're gonna tell me that a school with 20,000 students on campus with a major military base just over the hill doesn't have plenty of drugs and crime?

[ksupamplemousse]

Probably because Fresno is a cesspool filled with drugs and crime. Not a great place to stay out of trouble.

Come on man.   There's drugs and crime in every city in America.   You're gonna tell me that a school with 20,000 students on campus with a major military base just over the hill doesn't have plenty of drugs and crime?

Nope, K-State is pretty much perfect in every way. If you don't think that then you're obviously a Jayhawk.

[sys]

sys we know where you stand, so don't even bother.   

Sad

lolling at how stupid you are isn't a position statement.

[sonofdaxjones]

sys we know where you stand, so don't even bother.   

Sad

lolling at how stupid you are isn't a position statement.

Laughing at how angry you are with all things K-State basketball related really isn't a position statement either, but it's still hilarious.

[star seed 7]

maybe it's because i'm from topeka, but no, manhattan doesn't seem flush with drugs and crime.

[hatingfrancisco]

maybe it's because i'm from topeka, but no, manhattan doesn't seem flush with drugs and crime.

love these.

[sonofdaxjones]

I admit I am still in awe of the Frankites trying to throw Robert Upshaw into the equation.

I mean really, there's reaches and then there's major shoulder surgery, arm in a sling for 6 months followed by major rehab reaches.  Robert Upshaw fits into the latter category of reaches.

 

[sys]

I mean really, there's reaches and then there's major shoulder surgery, arm in a sling for 6 months followed by major rehab reaches.  Robert Upshaw fits into the latter category of reaches.