We look better than I thought we would

[sonofdaxjones]

I mean really, there's reaches and then there's major shoulder surgery, arm in a sling for 6 months followed by major rehab reaches.  Robert Upshaw fits into the latter category of reaches.

 

Laughter is very healing for the angry.   

[Stevesie60]

sonofdaxjones? More like grandpaofkimcarnes!

[sonofdaxjones]

sonofdaxjones? More like grandpaofkimcarnes!

If you must lash out to heal, do it.

[Trim]

This is why Trim isn't "excited" by oscar.  oscar is a lame, hand-clasping, raspy voiced pussy, compared to Frank's glaring, boot stomping, persona.  I think, in large part, oscar's biggest downfall with EMAWers is his lack of charisma, Illinois record notwithstanding.     

As fanning would say, I think you're over analysis my take.  Frank gave most of us the most winning K-State basketball of our lives.  He was also a giant dork in many situations, which we over-the-top defended because of the winning.  oscar is a giant dork in nearly all situations, but that could all be spun as adorable if he was a winner.  But he's a loser, so he gets fired and mocked.

The "excitement" is purely about winning.

I'm not sure I butchered that "over analysis" wording enough to truly be as fanning would say.

[Cartierfor3]

It would be more like "overed analysised" but you're in the ballpark.

[CNS]

Winning and exposure.  I mean, we weren't just winning games being played in an ISU-like closet.  We had like 4 big monday games two years ago for godsake.

Also, you couldn't turn on ESPN or watch one of the dummy journo's tweet long without seeing a reference to our team or Frank rough ridin' with them on twitter.

We were everywhere.  Now the only place you can find us is on the list of the top 8 programs in decline.  All after our most winning season in a long time and a conf champy. 

If Frank won the Conf Champ, he would still be on ESPN or CBS explaining how the last few seconds went down to a round table of three or four ESPN or CBS personalities eating it up like they have never heard it before.

I would def still have season tix if Frank was here. 

[star seed 7]

frank wouldn't have lost to that play-in team in the tourny.  i don't even remember that team's name.  did it start with an "M"?

[420seriouscat69]

This is why Trim isn't "excited" by oscar.  oscar is a lame, hand-clasping, raspy voiced pussy, compared to Frank's glaring, boot stomping, persona.  I think, in large part, oscar's biggest downfall with EMAWers is his lack of charisma, Illinois record notwithstanding.     

As fanning would say, I think you're over analysis my take.  Frank gave most of us the most winning K-State basketball of our lives.  He was also a giant dork in many situations, which we over-the-top defended because of the winning.  oscar is a giant dork in nearly all situations, but that could all be spun as adorable if he was a winner.  But he's a loser, so he gets fired and mocked.

The "excitement" is purely about winning.

I'm not sure I butchered that "over analysis" wording enough to truly be as fanning would say.

You know that was a autocorrect, right?

[Belvis Noland]

frank wouldn't have lost to that play-in team in the tourny.  i don't even remember that team's name.  did it start with an "M"?

agree.  Frank also  would've  lost 2-3  more  conference  games and finished 3rd or 4th  in the conference.

[Tobias]

frank wouldn't have lost to that play-in team in the tourny.  i don't even remember that team's name.  did it start with an "M"?

a philly coworker of mine had never heard of the team we lost to, FWIW

[sonofdaxjones]

Man, just thinking of the Wally Judge like Franking that Robert Upshaw would have gotten. 

The "Why isn't Upshaw playing/suited up/on the bench" threads would have been epic

[michigancat]

Great thread

[sys]

Great thread

 

[AndrewVonLintel]

Will Frank Martin reach a tournament with South Carolina?

Will oscar get his team to the NIT?

Will Angel totally kick ass after his medical redshirt year?

Will K-State be the worst rebounding team in the country?

Stay tuned for answers to these questions and more on............

goEMAW       

[meow meow]

This is why Trim isn't "excited" by oscar.  oscar is a lame, hand-clasping, raspy voiced pussy, compared to Frank's glaring, boot stomping, persona.  I think, in large part, oscar's biggest downfall with EMAWers is his lack of charisma, Illinois record notwithstanding.     

As fanning would say, I think you're over analysis my take.  Frank gave most of us the most winning K-State basketball of our lives.  He was also a giant dork in many situations, which we over-the-top defended because of the winning.  oscar is a giant dork in nearly all situations, but that could all be spun as adorable if he was a winner.  But he's a loser, so he gets fired and mocked.

The "excitement" is purely about winning.

I'm not sure I butchered that "over analysis" wording enough to truly be as fanning would say.

You know that was a autocorrect, right?

 

[Trim]

This is why Trim isn't "excited" by oscar.  oscar is a lame, hand-clasping, raspy voiced pussy, compared to Frank's glaring, boot stomping, persona.  I think, in large part, oscar's biggest downfall with EMAWers is his lack of charisma, Illinois record notwithstanding.     

As fanning would say, I think you're over analysis my take.  Frank gave most of us the most winning K-State basketball of our lives.  He was also a giant dork in many situations, which we over-the-top defended because of the winning.  oscar is a giant dork in nearly all situations, but that could all be spun as adorable if he was a winner.  But he's a loser, so he gets fired and mocked.

The "excitement" is purely about winning.

I'm not sure I butchered that "over analysis" wording enough to truly be as fanning would say.

You know that was a autocorrect, right?

 

Saw that, but I just can't anymore.

[sys]

watched the first half.  like foster's shot.  lawrence had some good stretches early.

[PBLIllini]

No one is making excuses, it's just the simple reality.   Some of you guys act like Weber was given a lifetime contract and that anyone else besides Weber would have been mega succesful.  Plus you listen too much to the Illini fans who have so much pent up rage over how $hitty (and  underachieving) their overall athletic program is right now that they have zero objectivity.

Is this a schtick or are you for real?  Because you sound like a whole lot of Illini fans circa 2006-07. 

If you are serious, you are in for one hell of a rough ride. 

By the way, that "shitty" program just landed another 4* top 50 recruit yesterday.  The first ever from Simeon to declare before their senior year so I am told.  He will look nice with the rest of the 'breds that Groce is bringing in.  If we land Alexander then all bets are off.  But please, keep thinking that Weber is some golden child and that we were lucky to have him. 

[ksupamplemousse]

I remember when Dax used to fight against mediocrity in the K-State basketball program on the internets with zeal, now he defends it with an equal amount of zeal. The guy is passionate about mediocrity, one way or the other, that's just how he's wired.

[sonofdaxjones]

I remember when Dax used to fight against mediocrity in the K-State basketball program on the internets with zeal, now he defends it with an equal amount of zeal. The guy is passionate about mediocrity, one way or the other, that's just how he's wired.

I only go by what's been done.   Last season K-State had the most wins in a single season ever.   You are comparing a Big 12 Co-Champion/NCAA tourney team, to my ranting about teams that weren't even making the NIT.   

If we aren't making the NCAA tourney in the coming years, then I'll be saying the exact same thing about fighting mediocrity. 

[kso_FAN]

There were a variety of factors/circumstances that were a part of Frank’s beginnings.  Just as there were oscar’s.  Do we have to compare the two?  No – because it’s the wrong question – it’s a waste of time.  For every “well but with oscar…” there’s a “well but with Frank”…..it’s a worthless conversation and one we’ve already had…over and over and over…..  The conversation…the question...is what is the standard for oscar.  The answer shouldn’t have the word “Frank” in it.  I don’t care what happened in Frank’s second year. It’s irrelevant  Not the same time, not the same circumstances, not the same program.   oscar needs to win.  I don’t care how many freshman he rolls out there.  I don’t care if Spradling is running the point.  Win.  That’s it.  He did that last year.   Get to the Tourney.

I just picked this thread back up after a couple of days. This is all I really needed to read. Refreshing ZACKanlysis from my friend catfencezacker.

[Mixed-Nutz]

What is more valuable?

  4 NCAA Tourney Bids
  Finishing in the top of the conference every year

               VS.

  1 NIT BID
  1 NCAA BUBLE TEAM
  1 Good NCAA TEAM (Sweet 16)
  1 Great or better NCAA TEAM (Elite 8 or Better) and a 50% chance at a conference championship

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

My random thoughts:

• Frank was a better salesman/recruiter than Weber is.  Weber is a better Xs & Os coach than Frank.
• Frank was gifted with far better players when he arrived at KSU in 2007 than Weber got upon his arrival last year.
• Frank would've probably won a couple more games in the tournament last year, but would not have won the conference nor beat Florida during the regular season.
• Frank and Weber are both quite good coaches.  Neither is yet in the top five coaches in KSU history.  I still think Huggins did more for KSU basketball than either of them.
• One final IMHO: Weber is more likely to be successful at KSU than Frank is to be at USC, for whatever that's worth.

P.S.  I love KSU basketball!   

[hatingfrancisco]

My random thoughts:

• Frank was a better salesman/recruiter than Weber is.  Weber is a better Xs & Os coach than Frank.
• Frank was gifted with far better players when he arrived at KSU in 2007 than Weber got upon his arrival last year.
• Frank would've probably won a couple more games in the tournament last year, but would not have won the conference nor beat Florida during the regular season.
• Frank and Weber are both quite good coaches.  Neither is yet in the top five coaches in KSU history.  I still think Huggins did more for KSU basketball than either of them.
• One final IMHO: Weber is more likely to be successful at KSU than Frank is to be at USC, for whatever that's worth.

P.S.  I love KSU basketball!   

the eff?

[Ghost of Stan Parrish]

My random thoughts:

• Frank was a better salesman/recruiter than Weber is.  Weber is a better Xs & Os coach than Frank.
• Frank was gifted with far better players when he arrived at KSU in 2007 than Weber got upon his arrival last year.
• Frank would've probably won a couple more games in the tournament last year, but would not have won the conference nor beat Florida during the regular season.
• Frank and Weber are both quite good coaches.  Neither is yet in the top five coaches in KSU history.  I still think Huggins did more for KSU basketball than either of them.
• One final IMHO: Weber is more likely to be successful at KSU than Frank is to be at USC, for whatever that's worth.

P.S.  I love KSU basketball!   

the eff?

What?  I love KSU basketball!