Work versus Welfare

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full

(CNSNews.com) - Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau.

There were 108,592,000 people in the United States in the fourth quarter of 2011 who were recipients of one or more means-tested government benefit programs, the Census Bureau said in data released this week. Meanwhile, according to the Census Bureau, there were 101,716,000 people who worked full-time year round in 2011. That included both private-sector and government workers.

That means there were about 1.07 people getting some form of means-tested government benefit for every 1 person working full-time year round.

The Census Bureau counted as recipients of means-tested government programs “anyone residing in a household in which one or more people received benefits from the program.” Many of these people lived in households receiving more than one form of means-tested benefit at the same time.

Among the 108,592,000 people who fit the Census Bureau’s description of a means-tested benefit recipient in the fourth quarter of 2011 were 82,457,000 people in households receiving Medicaid, 49,073,000 beneficiaries of food stamps, 20,223,000 on Supplemental Security Income, 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing, and 5,854,000 in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Also among the 108,592,000 means-tested benefit recipients counted by the Census Bureau were people getting free or reduced-price lunch or breakfast, state-administered supplemental security income and means-tested veterans pensions.

The 108,592,000 people who were recipients of means-tested government programs in the fourth quarter of 2011 does not include people who received benefits from non-means-tested government programs but not from means-tested ones. That would include, for example, people who received Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, or non-means-tested veterans compensation, but did not receive benefits from a means-tested program such as food stamps or public housing.

We can probably tack a few million more onto this number come 2014, when our latest means-tested entitlement officially kicks in - Obamacare subsidies for those up to 400% of the "poverty line." And let's not forget the push to legalize 15-30 million illegal (currently) immigrants, who will almost all be eligible for one or more of these benefits.

The work and welfare numbers are not mutually exclusive, of course, but both numbers are alarming (well, I mean, unless you're a libtard, and then you see votes).

[kim carnes]

It's called vote buying.  Democrats use taxpayer money to buy votes and call it democracy.

[Dugout DickStone]

 

[p1k3]

we're screwed

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Maybe our robust 1.5% GDP growth will get us out of this mess. 

[p1k3]

people realize we're marching towards our own economic death, right?

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

The eight stages of democracy

From bondage to spiritual faith;
From spiritual faith to great courage;
From courage to liberty;
From liberty to abundance;
From abundance to complacency;
From complacency to apathy;
From apathy to dependence;  <---- we are here
From dependence back into bondage.  <---- where libs want to be

[CNS]

DNfullR, do bene's include social security?  I mean, those numbers are going to get much worse than that very soon if so.  Thanks Baby Boomers!

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

DNfullR, do bene's include social security?  I mean, those numbers are going to get much worse than that very soon if so.  Thanks Baby Boomers!

I assumed not since it says "means tested" benefits.

Among the 108,592,000 people who fit the Census Bureau’s description of a means-tested benefit recipient in the fourth quarter of 2011 were 82,457,000 people in households receiving Medicaid, 49,073,000 beneficiaries of food stamps, 20,223,000 on Supplemental Security Income, 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing, and 5,854,000 in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Also among the 108,592,000 means-tested benefit recipients counted by the Census Bureau were people getting free or reduced-price lunch or breakfast, state-administered supplemental security income and means-tested veterans pensions.

The 108,592,000 people who were recipients of means-tested government programs in the fourth quarter of 2011 does not include people who received benefits from non-means-tested government programs but not from means-tested ones. That would include, for example, people who received Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, or non-means-tested veterans compensation, but did not receive benefits from a means-tested program such as food stamps or public housing.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

DNfullR, do bene's include social security?  I mean, those numbers are going to get much worse than that very soon if so.  Thanks Baby Boomers!

I assumed not since it says "means tested" benefits.

Among the 108,592,000 people who fit the Census Bureau’s description of a means-tested benefit recipient in the fourth quarter of 2011 were 82,457,000 people in households receiving Medicaid, 49,073,000 beneficiaries of food stamps, 20,223,000 on Supplemental Security Income, 23,228,000 in the Women, Infants and Children program, 13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing, and 5,854,000 in the Temporary Assistance for Needy Families program. Also among the 108,592,000 means-tested benefit recipients counted by the Census Bureau were people getting free or reduced-price lunch or breakfast, state-administered supplemental security income and means-tested veterans pensions.

The 108,592,000 people who were recipients of means-tested government programs in the fourth quarter of 2011 does not include people who received benefits from non-means-tested government programs but not from means-tested ones. That would include, for example, people who received Social Security, Medicare, unemployment, or non-means-tested veterans compensation, but did not receive benefits from a means-tested program such as food stamps or public housing.

Correct, only means-tested benefits (generally known as "welfare") are included. This means that Social Security Disability is not included either, though most of those people are probably on some other form of welfare anyway.

[star seed 7]

MODS: Please change thread title to " the official neocon circle jerk thead(WARNING no libtards allowed)".

TIA

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

MODS: Please change thread title to " the official neocon circle jerk thead(WARNING no libtards allowed)".

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On the contrary, libs are necessary in this thread to explain how this is good news and great for the economy.

[husserl]

Reduced-price lunch is going to bring this country to its knees if it hasn't already.

[SkinnyBenny]

CNSNews.com 

[Institutional Control]

CNSNews.com 

Unlike NPR they're not funded by the government.

[SkinnyBenny]

Yes, because my original post explicitly said "CNSnews.com, LOL, try NPRnews.com instead".

[SkinnyBenny]

Also as a FWIW I listen to the Aceman and basically agree with most everything he says about his welfare experiences and what they can teach us about welfare reform.

[yoga-like_abana]

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

CNSNews.com 

Here SB, you can check the accuracy of the reporting:

http://www.census.gov/sipp/tables/quarterly-est/household-char/hsehld-char-11.html

http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/cpstables/032012/perinc/pinc07_000.htm

[SkinnyBenny]

Oh I believe you. I was just LOLing because, you know, CNSnews.com is the source of articles posted on facebook by your weird relatives who hate everything Obama does and are weird and adamantly vocal about it all the time and spend way too much time typing status updates in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!

[Institutional Control]

Yes, because my original post explicitly said "CNSnews.com, LOL, try NPRnews.com instead".

I was just quoting from their website. That's how they beg for money.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Oh I believe you. I was just LOLing because, you know, CNSnews.com is the source of articles posted on facebook by your weird relatives who hate everything Obama does and are weird and adamantly vocal about it all the time and spend way too much time typing status updates in ALL CAPITAL LETTERS!!!!!!

They do come up with some amazing credible stuff that gets ignored by every other investigative reporter.

But, as long as an article has credible sources to back up what they say, you can't just laugh and say 'Oh, its the Blaze, LOL". Now if it's just some reporter blabbing without anything to back them up, then you can say "Oh, its MSNBC, LOL" and move on. Part of being a moderate.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Pathetic*

*as to the substance of the article and the libtard response

[michigancat]

13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing

This includes $100k earners we know.

Well, it did until last week.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

13,433,000 in public or subsidized rental housing

This includes $100k earners we know.

Well, it did until last week.

I think we're talking federal benefits only here, not your rent control free loading friends.