Briles > Snyder

[sonofdaxjones]

The conference needs to sanction them with additional loss of rides, recruiting off campus etc. etc. 

Of course knowing Baylor, they'll just violate all that as well.

They're a rogue athletic program, a total throwback to the old SWC days.   All major schools use athletics to pump up their enrollment, applications etc. etc.  But this is clearly a case of a private school letting athletics run wild to pump up the enrollment of a school that costs $52K a year to attend. 

[pissclams]

kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point.  doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.

Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.

'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.

the university benefits from the athletic department's actions both positively and negatively
kicking baylor out of the big 12 does more than punish the athletic department, it would severely cripple that cesspool of a school and that's appropriate punishment for what they've allowed to go on down there imo

[MakeItRain]

kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point.  doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.

Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.

'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.

I think losing a lawsuit to Baylor would be worth it to be rid of them. I really don't like my alma mater being associated with them.

I'm going to assume that you're using hyperbole here. The conference losing money equates to the member institutions losing money. No one associates Baylor with Kansas State just as no one in the world thinks about the Big 10 or Illinois when you hear the name Jerry Sandusky.

[MakeItRain]

kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point.  doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.

Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.

'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.

the university benefits from the athletic department's actions both positively and negatively
kicking baylor out of the big 12 does more than punish the athletic department, it would severely cripple that cesspool of a school and that's appropriate punishment for what they've allowed to go on down there imo

You're still avoiding the point that the conference shouldn't be the entity that handles this. What you're proposing is akin to a guy in KCMO having an issue with chronic drunk driving then the city commission of KCMO deciding that guy can't drive in Kansas City anymore even though his license hasn't been revoked. That's a stunt.

[catastrophe]

From what I've seen, I think the most appropriate thing to do would be to charge Briles with being an accessory after the fact to rape.

[Rage Against the McKee]

From what I've seen, I think the most appropriate thing to do would be to charge Briles with being an accessory after the fact to rape.

Also the Waco PD, Ken Starr, any assistant coaches that were complicit, the athletic director, etc.

[MakeItRain]

From what I've seen, I think the most appropriate thing to do would be to charge Briles with being an accessory after the fact to rape.

Also the Waco PD, Ken Starr, any assistant coaches that were complicit, the athletic director, etc.

I can get behind this but it looks like this runs real deep. Anyone who threatened an accuser with a violation of the honor code should be charged first.

[Steffy08]

I don't usually agree with Stephen A. Smith, but he hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that the most effective punishment would be for parents to stop sending their kids to Baylor. 

[AbeFroman]

The only way Baylor is getting kicked out is if the Big 12 magically ends up with 13, 15, or 17 teams someday (so, never)

[pissclams]

I don't usually agree with Stephen A. Smith, but he hit the nail on the head yesterday when he said that the most effective punishment would be for parents to stop sending their kids to Baylor. 

that will happen as soon as the prospective students don't have a team to cheer for

[pissclams]

kicking Baylor out of the conference only punishes innocent parties at this point.  doing it would be nothing more than a silly PR stunt.

Exactly. Baylor would also sue the crap out of the conference given that entity has no grounds for kicking them out for what is alleged here.

'clams rightly points out that the problem is a university problem but then calls for an athletic entity to deal with it, that makes no sense. Frankly the State of Texas, federal government, or some other body that governs or licenses the university should be stepping in here.

the university benefits from the athletic department's actions both positively and negatively
kicking baylor out of the big 12 does more than punish the athletic department, it would severely cripple that cesspool of a school and that's appropriate punishment for what they've allowed to go on down there imo

You're still avoiding the point that the conference shouldn't be the entity that handles this. What you're proposing is akin to a guy in KCMO having an issue with chronic drunk driving then the city commission of KCMO deciding that guy can't drive in Kansas City anymore even though his license hasn't been revoked. That's a stunt.

the conference doesn't have to be the only entity to deal with it but they certainly have the option of being one of the entities to deal with it

i don't like your dui example but if a sales guy at your office who was a real revenue producer for your company continually did things that embarrassed your company and its brand, he would be shown the door

what they've done puts into the question what's important to the b12 and while we all know it's possible to operate within gray areas, this is gross negligence and does make the other schools who define who and what this conference is look bad

[Emo EMAW]

I really don't like the standard being set by "oh now you're just punishing those who arent even responsible."

[DQ12]

I really don't like the standard being set by "oh now you're just punishing those who arent even responsible."

Yes. The thought of limiting the punishment to only those responsible.  What a frightening standard.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The school was ultimately responsible.

[DQ12]

The school was ultimately responsible.

When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration?  the buildings themselves? 

[Rage Against the McKee]

The school was ultimately responsible.

When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration?  the buildings themselves?

The institution.

Also, it's easy to pretend that everyone responsible is gone, but sadly that is not the case.

https://www.change.org/p/a-call-for-the-resignation-of-bethany-mccraw-and-reagan-ramsower

It's so much more than the football coaching staff, the athletics director, and the university president. Baylor shouldn't have a football program. Penn State shouldn't, either.

[DQ12]

The school was ultimately responsible.

When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration?  the buildings themselves?

The institution.

Also, it's easy to pretend that everyone responsible is gone, but sadly that is not the case.

https://www.change.org/p/a-call-for-the-resignation-of-bethany-mccraw-and-reagan-ramsower

It's so much more than the football coaching staff, the athletics director, and the university president. Baylor shouldn't have a football program. Penn State shouldn't, either.

oh okay.  the institution.  the head coach, athletic director, or university president, aren't "ultimately responsible."   rather, the buck stops at "the institution."  got it.

[DQ12]

the institution really should have known better.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The school was ultimately responsible.

When you say "the school" do you mean, like, the administration?  the buildings themselves?

The institution.

Also, it's easy to pretend that everyone responsible is gone, but sadly that is not the case.

https://www.change.org/p/a-call-for-the-resignation-of-bethany-mccraw-and-reagan-ramsower

It's so much more than the football coaching staff, the athletics director, and the university president. Baylor shouldn't have a football program. Penn State shouldn't, either.

oh okay.  the institution.  the head coach, athletic director, or university president, aren't "ultimately responsible."   rather, the buck stops at "the institution."  got it.

Yes. That includes all regents, donors, faculty, students, etc. Everything. Anyone who supports the rape-enablers with time and money is in some way complicit.

[TheHamburglar]

I'd be happy if the Big12 forced Baylor to find the booster that made the "If you mention the mission of the university one more time I'm going the puke...I was promised a national championship" comment then forced the university to disassociate itself from that person.

Those are the people responsible for this that are still a part of the university.

That said, I have a feeling these lawsuits are going to be a pretty big monetary penalty for the university. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'd be happy if the Big12 forced Baylor to find the booster that made the "If you mention the mission of the university one time I'm going the puke...I was promised a national championship" comment and force the university to disassociate itself from that person.

They could just kick them out. Then that person would freely disassociate himself from Baylor. All of the people wearing #CAB shirts all year would, too.

[WildcatPower]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960

Yep, because private schools commingle the eff out of athletic department finances with other crap in the back office. 

That's why it's a joke. 

[pissclams]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960

Yep, because private schools commingle the eff out of athletic department finances with other crap in the back office. 

That's why it's a joke. 

the sanctions wouldn't materially impact any b12 school

[sonofdaxjones]

https://twitter.com/ChuckCarltonDMN/status/829357219716136960

Yep, because private schools commingle the eff out of athletic department finances with other crap in the back office. 

That's why it's a joke. 

the sanctions wouldn't materially impact any b12 school

Oh