Things that less choke than Sams

[jtksu]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.   

[kim carnes]

Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses.   The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close.   In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it.   Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.

Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards.  Miami sucked when we played them.  Klein is not a better QB than sams.

[kim carnes]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.

Sams is better than Klein.  The numbers don't lie.  Sorry bro.

[jtksu]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.

Sams is better than Klein.  The numbers don't lie.  Sorry bro.

What numbers are you referring to?

[kim carnes]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.

Sams is better than Klein.  The numbers don't lie.  Sorry bro.

What numbers are you referring to?

sorry, bro

[sonofdaxjones]

Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses.   The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close.   In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it.   Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.

Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards.  Miami sucked when we played them.  Klein is not a better QB than sams.

If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.

Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.

You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field.  His "deep ball" is laughable.

[kim carnes]

Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses.   The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close.   In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it.   Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.

Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards.  Miami sucked when we played them.  Klein is not a better QB than sams.

If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.

Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.

You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field.  His "deep ball" is laughable.

you're right dax, Klein was an amazing thrower   

[sonofdaxjones]

Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses.   The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close.   In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it.   Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.

Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards.  Miami sucked when we played them.  Klein is not a better QB than sams.

If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.

Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.

You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field.  His "deep ball" is laughable.

you're right dax, Klein was an amazing thrower   

Tap out noted.  Go sit in the corner.

[Katpappy]

Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses.   The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close.   In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it.   Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.

Klein was 16/30 for 173 yards against arkansas and he only rushed for 42 yards.  Miami sucked when we played them.  Klein is not a better QB than sams.

If you recall (and you won't) Klein hit the receivers right in the hands numerous times (particularly in the 1st half) and they just flat out dropped the ball.

Whether "Miami sucked" is immaterial to the accuracy of his passes, for example when the put the ball right over the top of a defender for a perfect strike (to Lockett as I recall) in Miami, that's a throw I doubt very much that Sams could make right now.

You're just part of the "too cool for school" crowd who is enamored with #Life and won't admit that he's got a long way to go, particularly passing the ball farther than 10 yards down the field.  His "deep ball" is laughable.

you're right dax, Klein was an amazing thrower   

Tap out noted.  Go sit in the corner.

Kimmy thinks other KSU QB's need to be worst than Sams to justify his support for Sams.  It just shows he could give two fucks about Sams if he is crappy.  What a fine fan he is. 

[kim carnes]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs. 

[wetwillie]

While I was typing this jake turned it over in the redzone again.

[star seed 7]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

can't argue with the numbers.

[Katpappy]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

reading compensation not your strong suite?

[Spracne]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

can't argue with the numbers.

Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.

[Katpappy]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

can't argue with the numbers.

Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.

Can't we give this kid a break.  He hasn't played even one full game in the league, and ppl are condemning him.  What kind of effing fans are we.  He's not a race horse, he 's a QB on our favorite team and deserves our support and respect. 

[kim carnes]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

can't argue with the numbers.

Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.

you're right, you can argue with the numbers, if you want to look like a dumbass

[Spracne]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

can't argue with the numbers.

Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.

you're right, you can argue with the numbers, if you want to look like a dumbass

Then I guess KSU football is more losery than KU football. Can't argue with the numbers, dumbass.

[star seed 7]

If dax, jtksu, katdaddy and the like want to argue with the numbers, that is their business.  But the numbers don't lie, Sams is #8 in QBR nationally with no weapons at WR or RB and he didn't have the non-con to pad his numbers like the rest of the QBs.

can't argue with the numbers.

Sure you can. At one point SAMs was among the most efficient passers in the history of college football. Not even the mawest of emaws would say he's one of the best passers ever, but "the numbers" suggested it at one point. What is the tipping point for critical turnovers in crucial times, when a player goes from keeping the team in the game to keeping the team from winning? My friend Tony wants to know.

you're right, you can argue with the numbers, if you want to look like a dumbass

hadn't thought of the dumbass scenario.

[MakeItRain]

He had 41 yards passing.   The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer.   Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws.   The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch.   He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride.   Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.

I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.

97% of this thread is really dumb.

_FAN what did you think of the play call that forced Sams to roll to his right and then throw back to his left, across his body, to the tight end in traffic? I don't think that would be a wise call under any circumstance but it would be unfathomable to call for a guy who you have no faith in his arm.

[kso_FAN]

He had 41 yards passing.   The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer.   Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws.   The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch.   He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride.   Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.

I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.

97% of this thread is really dumb.

_FAN what did you think of the play call that forced Sams to roll to his right and then throw back to his left, across his body, to the tight end in traffic? I don't think that would be a wise call under any circumstance but it would be unfathomable to call for a guy who you have no faith in his arm.

I assume you mean the 2 PT conversion.

I didn't hate it. Yeah, its a tough throw, but its a version of a Snyder staple, the backside throw on rollouts. The throw to beat North Texas in 89 and Cincinnati in 95 were much deeper roll out throw back plays. I imagine they thought the tightend would be wide open and they calculated wrong, especially after wasting a timeout.

And yes, I think that Snyder/Dimel/Miller have more faith in Daniel's arm than most of our fans.

[star seed 7]

I thought it was a good play call, defense didn't bite tho. Snyder almost always pulls out those types of plays in important situations.

[MakeItRain]

He had 41 yards passing.   The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer.   Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws.   The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch.   He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride.   Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.

I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.

97% of this thread is really dumb.

_FAN what did you think of the play call that forced Sams to roll to his right and then throw back to his left, across his body, to the tight end in traffic? I don't think that would be a wise call under any circumstance but it would be unfathomable to call for a guy who you have no faith in his arm.

I assume you mean the 2 PT conversion.

I didn't hate it. Yeah, its a tough throw, but its a version of a Snyder staple, the backside throw on rollouts. The throw to beat North Texas in 89 and Cincinnati in 95 were much deeper roll out throw back plays. I imagine they thought the tightend would be wide open and they calculated wrong, especially after wasting a timeout.

And yes, I think that Snyder/Dimel/Miller have more faith in Daniel's arm than most of our fans.

No I was not referring to the 2 point conversion, dumb decision BTW. I don't remember the quarter of the play but we weregoing south to north. Sams had a designed roll out to his right but the receiver he threw to was well to his left. He ccompleted the pass, may have been his first completion, but the ball was behind the TE and if the TE didn't catch it, the ball was getting picked. Just seemed like a very risky call and play design for someone who's arm isn't trusted by the staff.

[Rage Against the McKee]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.

CK couldn't beat out Coffman.

[Trogdor]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.

CK couldn't beat out Coffman.

Oh god, I felt my breakfast come up for a second

[jtksu]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

If we had Waters the last two seasons, CK was good enough to keep his ass on the bench.   Sams is so bad at QB that the coaches are forced to use Waters.

CK couldn't beat out Coffman.

What, the redshirt sophomore who spent the last two years at WR couldn't beat out the senior?!   This is the guy who Sams split time with in high school:

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/player-Matt-Lipham-103875