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The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.

If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.

LOL, no.  "This board" has loved Sams since he was EMAW'n his ass off while still in high school.  H2No is irrelevant.

[steve dave]

#8 QBR in all of college football. that's just stats speaking and no bias.

[kso_FAN]

Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.

The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.

If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.

I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.

Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.   

Beasley had a career completion% of 47.6%. He threw some nice balls, but he was far from an accurate passer. We really don't know what Sams can/can't do yet, but he's completing nearly 70% of his passes this year and averaging 8.2 yards per attempt. We'll see what the rest of this year and his career bring, but I doubt he is under 50% completions for his career.

We had a true vertical passing game when Beasley and Roberson were our QB's, hell the K-State staff put out videos regarding the vertical passing game.   It's not hard to have a 70% completion percentage when everything is 10 yards or less.   Down the field passing; Sams has been horrific.

Fair point. We haven't exactly had much vertical threat the majority of Sams snaps at quarterback, so we'll see.

And Sams averaging 8.2 yards per attempt is still pretty good for all short routes to mainly Sexton, Miller, and Klein.

[Benja]

#8 QBR in all of college football. that's just stats speaking and no bias.

Wow. And a bunch of that without his two best receivers? And he's only a sophomore? He's probably not very likeable though, right?

[DQ12]

yeah if we had a qb with an adequate arm we'd unleash hell on vertical pass plays with burners like sexton and kyle klein and toe miller.

[DQ12]

all day yesterday i was like "RUN THAT MONEY SEXTON GO ROUTE" and then i remembered we couldn't because we had noodly arm sams in the backfield.

 

[8manpick]

yeah if we had a qb with an adequate arm we'd unleash hell on vertical pass plays with burners like sexton and kyle klein and toe miller.

Hard to believe that is the receiving corps that the defending Big XII champs put on the field

[wetwillie]

yeah if we had a qb with an adequate arm we'd unleash hell on vertical pass plays with burners like sexton and kyle klein and toe miller.

Hard to believe that is the receiving corps that the defending Big XII champs put on the field

S & C guy should be fired for his job with Tyler, also for letting TT get mono.

[Benja]

all day yesterday i was like "RUN THAT MONEY SEXTON GO ROUTE" and then i remembered we couldn't because we had noodly arm sams in the backfield.

 

 

[Benja]

Baby Klein looks pretty ripped for being a Baby Klein. I think he'll be serviceable and raises our god factor. Just another horse in our stable of complete stud speed merchants.

[DOD Take 2]

Sams is a great kid, but this staff has had ample opportunity to land a really good DUAL threat QB and has failed to do so.

The board likes Sams so much because the too cool for schoolers hate Waters so much.

If we had landed Marshall (for example) this board wouldn't give two $hits about Sams.

I don't think I'm in the too cool for school crowd. Almost all of Snyder's really good dual threats have needed to be developed. I think Sams can be another Beasley/Roberson/Klein.

Beasley was a much better passer right out of the gate, Roberson struggled in the passing game mainly be having flurries of inaccuracy, but I think back to (for example) to the long TD pass that Roberson threw at OU late in the game in 2001 and believe that Sams couldn't have made that throw with 10 tries.   

Beasley had a career completion% of 47.6%. He threw some nice balls, but he was far from an accurate passer. We really don't know what Sams can/can't do yet, but he's completing nearly 70% of his passes this year and averaging 8.2 yards per attempt. We'll see what the rest of this year and his career bring, but I doubt he is under 50% completions for his career.

We had a true vertical passing game when Beasley and Roberson were our QB's, hell the K-State staff put out videos regarding the vertical passing game.   It's not hard to have a 70% completion percentage when everything is 10 yards or less.   Down the field passing; Sams has been horrific.

That's not really fair. We haven't had our two deep threats for majority of his snaps. We also didn't attempt anything down the field yesterday because we didn't really need to. His snaps as an actual QB have come against two of the better teams we'll play this year. Wait until he can play against WVU and Iowa state, workout some timing with receivers and hopefully can be a little more relaxed in some games that aren't tight late in the 4th

[bucket]

Lin Elliot

[Rage Against the McKee]

Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.

Once again, no one is saying Waters is better.  Also, team Sams has always been about him being great.  It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.

Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12.  I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.

You do know he's a QB, right?

What's your point?

[kso_FAN]

Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.

Once again, no one is saying Waters is better.  Also, team Sams has always been about him being great.  It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.

Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12.  I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.

You do know he's a QB, right?

What's your point?

I guess quarterback rushing yards don't count.

[Spracne]

Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.

Once again, no one is saying Waters is better.  Also, team Sams has always been about him being great.  It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.

Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12.  I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.

You do know he's a QB, right?

What's your point?

He must not be a math major. Logic tells us that a halfback has twice the value of a quarterback.

[jtksu]

Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.

Once again, no one is saying Waters is better.  Also, team Sams has always been about him being great.  It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.

Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12.  I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.

You do know he's a QB, right?

What's your point?

I guess quarterback rushing yards don't count.

He had 41 yards passing.   The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer.   Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws.   The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch.   He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride.   Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.

[Skipper44]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

[kim carnes]

Better completion % than that eff face Waters. If there is another option somewhere on the bench better than Sams then I will gladly jump on that bandwagon. You racists just don't get it. Team Sams is not about him being the best QB in history, its about him being the best shot the cat's have at winning.

Once again, no one is saying Waters is better.  Also, team Sams has always been about him being great.  It's never been about him just being better than a shitty option.

Sams just ran for 200 yards and didn't even play the entire game against the team that will likely win the big 12.  I'd consider that great regardless of one very bad decision.

You do know he's a QB, right?

What's your point?

I guess quarterback rushing yards don't count.

He had 41 yards passing.   The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer.   Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws.   The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch.   He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride.   Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.

 

[bucket]

It's simple. K-State was in the game BECAUSE OF SAMS. K-State lost the game BECAUSE OF SAMS.

He put K-State in position to win, but couldn't seal the deal like so many friends of mine.

He's only a sophomore. The team is young and talented. Things will only get better.

[kso_FAN]

He had 41 yards passing.   The dude is a gifted runner but a terrible passer.   Even the balls he completed were usually terrible throws.   The dude just throws in the general direction of the receiver and it's up to the receiver to adjust and make the catch.   He'll, even CK could hit dudes in stride.   Also, he is apparently color blind or is unaware that it's a bad thing to throw to the other team.

I try to evaluate the player based on the game plan they are asked to execute and Sams did very well overall. He was 4 of 7 and checked to and completed a huge first down the in the 3rd quarter to Miller. He ran the ball very well and averaged 6.6 yards per carry. He made one really poor decision that clearly cost his team dearly, but I can't overlook the 95+% of his snaps that he played very well. Daniel Sams was a major reason we were even in the game; he accounted for 54% of the offenses total yards and ran for all 3 of our touchdowns.

[jtksu]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

[kso_FAN]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

His FR year was a wash because he was a scout team guy. He got exposure to the offense, but his main focus wasn't there. Last year it was though.

Did you think the same thing about Roberson?

[jtksu]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

His FR year was a wash because he was a scout team guy. He got exposure to the offense, but his main focus wasn't there. Last year it was though.

Did you think the same thing about Roberson?

I thought Ell looked like an extremely talented but raw QB.   Sams looks line an extremely talented RB who is playing the QB position because we have no one better. 

[kim carnes]

JT,  could CK  hit guys in stride as a sophomore?

CK had spent his redshirt and freshman years at WR and barely played his sophomore year.   After practicing the entire season at QB, his junior year was quite special.   Sams has spent his entire career at QB.   Do you think that he hasn't received any coaching over the last two plus years and he's going to magically improve over the upcoming off season or something?   Right now, he's averaging an interception every eight attempts and has twice as many INTs as passing TDs.   We really should bring in a juco QB next year and move Sams to RB.   It worked for Thomas, who's still on an NFL roster.  Sams isn't going to the league at QB, might as well move him for everyone's benefit.

Klein was a terrible passer.  He had Harper, Lockett and Thompson to throw to and he was awful against any team with an average defense.  Sams is already a better passer than Klein was.

Also, you're a god awful poster and should leave this place.

[sonofdaxjones]

Klein was actually pretty good at times throwing the ball against good defenses.   The back shoulder pass he completed at Texas 2 years ago is no where in Sams repertoire right now, not even close.   In the Cotton Bowl against Arkansas he was delivering the ball on the money all over the field and our guys were dropping it.   Both times against Miami he completed some beautiful passes.