FM#LIFE

[Rage Against the McKee]

Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays.  I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.

that said, three is bad.  I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches.  there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off.  Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.

I don't mind taking risks downfield, but I would at least like to see a receiver in the general area that has some chance at making a catch when we do.

The last one he took a shot and it didn't work, that's not as big a deal to me. Imagine if we hadn't had to use the timeout on the 2PT conversion which would've allowed another QB run; maybe get down to the 30 or so and then we can take shots at the endzone.

The other 2 INTs I don't think were horrible decisions as much as they were bad throws. We know that he has a better arm than he showed on the 2nd one, he just underthrew the ball. The attempt at a touch pass to the TE wasn't bad either, just a tough throw that he didn't make and he's probably better off just running the ball on both and living for another down.

I felt like he made the right decision on his first INT. He just needed to put a little bit more air under that ball, and I think it's a pass he is more than capable of completing almost every time. I agree with you that accuracy was a pretty big issue, and hopefully he gets better moving forward.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.

[yoga-like_abana]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.

what percentage would you like to see? 70-30 coaches-qbs? 80-20? 90-10?

[ChiComCat]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.

what percentage would you like to see? 70-30 coaches-qbs? 80-20? 90-10?

I would say 40-60, which is about what we are seeing. goEMAW in general has a pretty good pulse on the game of football, imo.

[WildcatNkilt]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Young Ell (and Ell in general) threw picks too. He did have 37 TDs to 26 INTs his career. Even his last year he was 24:12, so its not like he was ever great at not throwing picks.

But we learned how to use him better right?  Our defense can't be successful if we don't win (or dominate) time of possession.  Sams is our best offense and defense.  I really hope the coaches see this.  I mean they must, right?

We're all probably talking in circles now but I think the consensus is this should be Sams' team even after the silly errors he made on Saturday.  A few better decisions, less penalties (obviously), no fumble call, and we maybe win this game by at least a touchdown. 

[WildcatNkilt]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.

Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass.  I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.

Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass.  I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.

I don't think we are going to have Lockett or Thompson in the lineup on Saturday, fwiw. Mono takes a few weeks to get over, and if Lockett's hamstring injury was bad enough that he couldn't come back into the game against OSU, he will probably not be able to play against Baylor, either.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.

Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass.  I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.

I don't know if he was faster or if it really matters. He was way better at going up and getting the ball. Thus a way better deep threat.

[jtksu]

you guys.  our top two wide receiver targets were gone. 

consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.

#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.

Two of Sam's interception should be on the coaching staff, shouldn't of had the option to be in that type of the play.

Lol, wut?! 

[jtksu]

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Cmp Att  Pct    Yds  Y/A  AY/A TD Int  Rate
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB   54   136  39.7  855  6.3  4.2   4   8    90.5

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Att  Yds Avg TD   
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB  142  643 4.5  9   



Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.

Yep.   I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.

Or maybe it's just that young quarterbacks struggle and it's only natural that he'll get better.  Do you really think that Sams has peaked and won't get better?

Never said he peaked but I am curious what you've seen out of him that makes you think he'll one day be as good as Ell was.

[raquetcat]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Young Ell (and Ell in general) threw picks too. He did have 37 TDs to 26 INTs his career. Even his last year he was 24:12, so its not like he was ever great at not throwing picks.

Klein was 13:6 in 2011 and 16:9 in 2012. I think as long as Sams can get close to that 2:1 ratio his running skills bring enough to the table to allow us to win quite a few games.

[michigancat]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.

I really thought the game plan for Sams was great, (other than him not playing every snap.)

[Belvis Noland]

While I want Sams I will say that if Waters does play a lot, lets dismiss the absurdity of a QB run game and go with what the guy is capable of doing well. 

Some of you (and I) are being overly harsh on Waters and it's really not the kids fault.

The primary reason I want Sams is because we've got no other viable option.  We need a running QB plain and simple. 

1) we don't have a passing QB on this roster.   
2) we don't have the personnel to make a pro-style passing offense work.
3) our crap defense (keeping them off the field) makes it critically important to run the ball effectively and dominate time of possession.   
4) #4 is arguably our best running back who throws nice short and intermediate passes. 

[jtksu]

While I want Sams I will say that if Waters does play a lot, lets dismiss the absurdity of a QB run game and go with what the guy is capable of doing well. 

Some of you (and I) are being overly harsh on Waters and it's really not the kids fault.

The primary reason I want Sams is because we've got no other viable option.  We need a running QB plain and simple. 

1) we don't have a passing QB on this roster.   
2) we don't have the personnel to make a pro-style passing offense work.
3) our crap defense (keeping them off the field) makes it critically important to run the ball effectively and dominate time of possession.   
4) #4 is arguably our best running back who throws nice short and intermediate passes.

Our defense is giving up less than 25 pts/370yds/game. Wouldn't exactly call that shitty. 

[ChiComCat]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.

Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass.  I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.

I don't know if he was faster or if it really matters. He was way better at going up and getting the ball. Thus a way better deep threat.

Yea, healthy WRs does not include Lockett or Thompson.  Terry could get some separation (more than anyone other than Lockett on this team) and also had the size to go up and get the ball.  Lockett would likely suffice as the deep threat if he is healthy.  A bigger WR would give Sams more room for error on the deep ball.

[Belvis Noland]

Our defense is giving up less than 25 pts/370yds/game. Wouldn't exactly call that shitty.

Well, we were man handled by a D2 school and have, otherwise played absolutely crap competition.  (Yes, UT is rough ridin' horrible). 

The only quasi-decent opponent we've played is OSU.  And in that game we implemented our QB run game, win the time of possession battle 36mins/24 mins and, low and behold, we manage to hold them to 33 pts and 330 yards.  Moral of the story, the defense benefits greatly from being on the sideline.  Like I said. 

And, consider the fact that we controlled the ball 36mins despite 4 turnovers.  We could have easily held the ball over 65% of the game. 

[nicname]

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Cmp Att  Pct    Yds  Y/A  AY/A TD Int  Rate
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB   54   136  39.7  855  6.3  4.2   4   8    90.5

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Att  Yds Avg TD   
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB  142  643 4.5  9   



Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.

Yep.   I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.

Or maybe it's just that young quarterbacks struggle and it's only natural that he'll get better.  Do you really think that Sams has peaked and won't get better?

Never said he peaked but I am curious what you've seen out of him that makes you think he'll one day be as good as Ell was.

I think you are over estimating how good Roberson was early in his career.  They are both dynamic runners.  Ell was more graceful on his feet and rarely took big hits, but Sams is faster, has just as good of vision, and can make sharp cuts Ell could never dream of pulling off. 

The fact that Sams has connected on 72 percent of his passes thus far should tell you all you need to know about his arm in comparison.  Sure, it is a small sample but he has been on point with most of his short to mid-range passes. That alone is something Ell never really got a hang of until his senior year.  I won't try to compare their arm strength, but as some have said, if Sams had a playmaking back in their with him you can bet that he would be able to connect on a fair share of 50-50 balls to the receivers just like Roberson did. And that is all it really takes. 

I would pose the opposite question to you.  What doesn't Sams have that leads you to believe that he cannot have comparable success to Roberson?

[michigancat]

Ell pretty much was only allowed to throw deep bombs. Partially because that's the only type of pass Snyder wanted to throw from about 97-01, but part of it may have been because Ell never seemed to have great touch inside of 10 yards or so.

[Belvis Noland]

Ell pretty much was only allowed to throw deep bombs. Partially because that's the only type of pass Snyder wanted to throw from about 97-01, but part of it may have been because Ell never seemed to have great touch inside of 10 yards or so.

Ell also had a 6'5 James Terry at WR.  i imagine it's tougher to go deep when your average WR height is about 5'7.

[slobber]

Ell pretty much was only allowed to throw deep bombs. Partially because that's the only type of pass Snyder wanted to throw from about 97-01, but part of it may have been because Ell never seemed to have great touch inside of 10 yards or so.

Ell also had a 6'5 James Terry at WR.  i imagine it's tougher to go deep when your average WR height is about 5'7.

Does anyone think that Ell intentionally under-threw Terry at the '03 Dr. Pepper? I don't. That was a such a shitty throw that the d-back fell over and Terry stopped and made the catch and then walked into the endzone while we all went bonkers.

[felix rex]

I like SAMs.

[eastcat]

The new name for this board should be

Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.

[michigancat]

The new name for this board should be

Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.

Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws.

[eastcat]

The new name for this board should be

Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.

Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws.

Nuts Kicked disagrees