FM#LIFE

[Jackstack99EMAW]

What we're forgetting is that Sams is a sophomore who has played one real game.  He has arm strength, which isnt really all that fixable, however, mental mistakes(bad decisions) are fixable.  Sams has loads of talent, and he killed our chances of winning, but without him, there simply ISN'T a chance of winning, JW can't extend plays or open the run game like Sams can, he has 2.5 more years to improve and this season was pretty much over already.  He has an arm, needs work on technique, again, fixable, which arm talent isn't.  He definitely earned the starting job imo, even if OSU isn't that great, UT is worse, and Waters lost us that game by 10 and added in a buttfumble.

[DQ12]

you guys.  our top two wide receiver targets were gone. 

consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.

[everyone shut up]

you guys.  our top two wide receiver targets were gone. 

consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.

#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.

[jtksu]

effing Sam's Club members were just shown exactly why Sam's hasn't been allowed to throw and now are more delusional than ever.  GMAFB.   

just out of curiosity, were you a klein fan?

Did you just compare Sams to a rough ridin' Heisman finalist?   

[jtksu]

Huh, Tom Brady just heaved a ball into coverage and got picked off late in the game needing a touchdown.

In a torrential downpour.   And yes, Tom Brady sucked ass today. 

[Trim]

I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point.  They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point.  They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.

What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?

[Trim]

I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point.  They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.

What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?

Yeah, as much as his mind allows for clear thought.

[Stevesie60]

I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point.  They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.

What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?

Yeah, as much as his mind allows for clear thought.

DINKMENTIA!! (still love it)

[nicname]

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Cmp Att  Pct    Yds  Y/A  AY/A TD Int  Rate
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB   54   136  39.7  855  6.3  4.2   4   8    90.5

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Att  Yds Avg TD   
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB  142  643 4.5  9   



Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.

[Trim]

[Trim]

I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point.  They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.

What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?

Yeah, as much as his mind allows for clear thought.

DINKMENTIA!! (still love it)

If Waters starts Saturday with a 5-yard sideline out, warm up the t-shirts.

[jtksu]

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Cmp Att  Pct    Yds  Y/A  AY/A TD Int  Rate
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB   54   136  39.7  855  6.3  4.2   4   8    90.5

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Att  Yds Avg TD   
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB  142  643 4.5  9   



Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.

Yep.   I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same. 

[lopakman]

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Cmp Att  Pct    Yds  Y/A  AY/A TD Int  Rate
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB   54   136  39.7  855  6.3  4.2   4   8    90.5

Year     School          Conf      Class Pos  Att  Yds Avg TD   
2001     Kansas State Big 12    SO    QB  142  643 4.5  9   



Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.

Yep.   I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.

Or maybe it's just that young quarterbacks struggle and it's only natural that he'll get better.  Do you really think that Sams has peaked and won't get better?

[felix rex]

Hard to argue with a 27.6 QBR (barely ahead of Heaps as worst in the conference).

[Belvis Noland]

Yep.   I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.

u didn't like the Klein comparo either, though. 

But anyway, Sams played far from perfect.  granted.  But Sams' performance is substantially better than what Waters gives us.  But, you already know this.     

[Mixed-Nutz]

you guys.  our top two wide receiver targets were gone. 

consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.

#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.

Two of Sam's interception should be on the coaching staff, shouldn't of had the option to be in that type of the play.

[kso_FAN]

you guys.  our top two wide receiver targets were gone. 

consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.

#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.

Two of Sam's interception should be on the coaching staff, shouldn't of had the option to be in that type of the play.

Honestly, I think its disrespectful to Sams to NOT give him some responsibility for his own mistakes. This is his third year at K-State, let's let him own what he can do and not just give him excuses when he makes mistakes. He didn't give himself excuses after the game and I don't think we as fans should either regardless if his first extensive action.

[CNS]

Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays.  I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.

that said, three is bad.  I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches.  there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off.  Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.

[steve dave]

Agreed. Spradling'esque excuses should be reserved for Waters.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays.  I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.

that said, three is bad.  I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches.  there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off.  Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.

I don't mind taking risks downfield, but I would at least like to see a receiver in the general area that has some chance at making a catch when we do.

[sonofdaxjones]

While I want Sams I will say that if Waters does play a lot, lets dismiss the absurdity of a QB run game and go with what the guy is capable of doing well. 

Some of you (and I) are being overly harsh on Waters and it's really not the kids fault.   

[kso_FAN]

Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays.  I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.

that said, three is bad.  I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches.  there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off.  Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.

I don't mind taking risks downfield, but I would at least like to see a receiver in the general area that has some chance at making a catch when we do.

The last one he took a shot and it didn't work, that's not as big a deal to me. Imagine if we hadn't had to use the timeout on the 2PT conversion which would've allowed another QB run; maybe get down to the 30 or so and then we can take shots at the endzone.

The other 2 INTs I don't think were horrible decisions as much as they were bad throws. We know that he has a better arm than he showed on the 2nd one, he just underthrew the ball. The attempt at a touch pass to the TE wasn't bad either, just a tough throw that he didn't make and he's probably better off just running the ball on both and living for another down.

[WildcatNkilt]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

[kso_FAN]

Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge.  I feel like that is how we used young Ell.  Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on.  His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.

Young Ell (and Ell in general) threw picks too. He did have 37 TDs to 26 INTs his career. Even his last year he was 24:12, so its not like he was ever great at not throwing picks.