So what do we think now?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Those last two picks were terrible. I mean really, really bad throws.

Yeah. He's going to get better, though. I never want to see Waters on the field again.

[star seed 7]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

he's 100percent better than jake waters (who is already maxed out on his skill), and still has a lot of room for improvement.  let that marinate for a while.

[MixBerryCrunch]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

[FranklyFrankYou]

Those last two picks were terrible. I mean really, really bad throws.

Yeah. He's going to get better, though. I never want to see Waters on the field again.

I am sure he will get better but how much better is the question. He puts way too much lift on the deep ball to ever effectively throw I more than 20 yards at the moment and he has been a collegiate qb for three seasons

[star seed 7]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

so much backtracking that you probably are wearing your shoes backwards right now.

[Tobias]

future looks good for our man d. sams if he's allowed to play and/or start a game

[MixBerryCrunch]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

so much backtracking that you probably are wearing your shoes backwards right now.

Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I said Sams sucks, which he does right now. I also said Waters sucks, which he does. Now I'm saying Sams has potential after finally seeing him play a complete game. Follow the yellow brick road and get a brain, dumbass.

[star seed 7]

future looks good for our man d. sams if he's allowed to play and/or start a game

5* post tobias.

[wetwillie]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

this is the biggest reason waters should never play again.  you cant coach the scared out of a player. 

[bws]

Why don't we run more option with sams? Did we run any today? Seems like he and Hubert would be pretty effective.

[ChiComCat]

I still hold out hoping this year is more like Ell's soph season.  Sams is high risk/high reward.  His short throws are as good as Waters.  His deep balls are pretty awful.  This season is lost, play the potential.

[Gooch]

If he'd started from Day 1 we would have won. Period.

This times a billion. He should have had the non cons to cut his teeth. he is by far the best option for us to win now and into the future.

[kim carnes]

if waters doesn't fumble, we probably win

[michigancat]

Sams doesn't suck, he simply struggles at a phase of the game that IMO isn't necessary for him to be successful, overall.

He can win without throwing any deep bombs.

[GoodForAnother]

if waters doesn't fumble, we probably win

yeah, pretty amazing he only touched the ball a few times and still found a way to lose it.

[kso_FAN]

I still hold out hoping this year is more like Ell's soph season.  Sams is high risk/high reward.  His short throws are as good as Waters.  His deep balls are pretty awful.  This season is lost, play the potential.

This is THE hope for K-State fans right now.

Also, the no name returner is Burns and easily explained. He and Hubert both wear 33, so he had to switch numbers like little Weber and Zimmerman do when they are on the field together. And right now Burns us a really bad returner.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I would like to see Sams return kicks in that situation, honestly. He's probably the best open field runner we have behind Lockett and Thompson.

[lopakman]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

so much backtracking that you probably are wearing your shoes backwards right now.

Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I said Sams sucks, which he does right now. I also said Waters sucks, which he does. Now I'm saying Sams has potential after finally seeing him play a complete game. Follow the yellow brick road and get a brain, dumbass.

No, seven's right, you're backtracking and even worse, you're a walking set of contradictions.  I especially loved this one.

I enjoyed this game.

Doesn't really jive well with your sig line at the bottom of all your posts.   "It's only a game if you win. If you lose it's a rough ridin' waste of time."

[MixBerryCrunch]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

so much backtracking that you probably are wearing your shoes backwards right now.

Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I said Sams sucks, which he does right now. I also said Waters sucks, which he does. Now I'm saying Sams has potential after finally seeing him play a complete game. Follow the yellow brick road and get a brain, dumbass.

No, seven's right, you're backtracking and even worse, you're a walking set of contradictions.  I especially loved this one.

I enjoyed this game.

Doesn't really jive well with your sig line at the bottom of all your posts.   "It's only a game if you win. If you lose it's a rough ridin' waste of time."

Just because you don't understand that a player can suck but still have potential doesn't mean I'm backtracking. It just means I'm not a complete mouth breathing, dipshit like you.

[michigancat]

If you think Sams "sucks", you're a big friggin idiot.

[MixBerryCrunch]

If you think Sams "sucks", you're a big friggin idiot.

He does suck right now. You can't argue with 3 turnovers.  He will get better though and hopefully have a breakout season next year. I don't really care about this season anymore.

[CHONGS]

If you think Sams "sucks", you're a big friggin idiot.

Same type of posters who trashed Jake.  Exact same.

[kim carnes]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

so much backtracking that you probably are wearing your shoes backwards right now.

Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I said Sams sucks, which he does right now. I also said Waters sucks, which he does. Now I'm saying Sams has potential after finally seeing him play a complete game. Follow the yellow brick road and get a brain, dumbass.

No, seven's right, you're backtracking and even worse, you're a walking set of contradictions.  I especially loved this one.

I enjoyed this game.

Doesn't really jive well with your sig line at the bottom of all your posts.   "It's only a game if you win. If you lose it's a rough ridin' waste of time."

Just because you don't understand that a player can suck but still have potential doesn't mean I'm backtracking. It just means I'm not a complete mouth breathing, dipshit like you.

you have a southpark character in your avatar, you're definitely a dipshit

[lopakman]

sams is exactly what I thought he was. If anything he made better throws overall than I thought he could. Yeah, his INT's were wooftastic, but he can break a run at any moment and that's just too valuable to keep off the field, especially when Waters is shitting his pants and turning it over at an even higher rate.

Yeah, he's not great right now, but his upside his huge. I saw a lot of promise, plus he makes the running game better just by being in. Next year could potentially be a pretty good year.

so much backtracking that you probably are wearing your shoes backwards right now.

Are you rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)? I said Sams sucks, which he does right now. I also said Waters sucks, which he does. Now I'm saying Sams has potential after finally seeing him play a complete game. Follow the yellow brick road and get a brain, dumbass.

No, seven's right, you're backtracking and even worse, you're a walking set of contradictions.  I especially loved this one.

I enjoyed this game.

Doesn't really jive well with your sig line at the bottom of all your posts.   "It's only a game if you win. If you lose it's a rough ridin' waste of time."

Just because you don't understand that a player can suck but still have potential doesn't mean I'm backtracking. It just means I'm not a complete mouth breathing, dipshit like you.

Please just tell me your a t-shirt fan and we didn't graduate from the same University.   Gaah, it's like you'd be a really good troll if you were trolling but since you're serious it just makes me embarrassed for you.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Sams was really put into a situation that doesn't play to his strengths at the end of the game and failed miserably twice. It sucked watching it happen, but I think he will benefit from it in the long run. His first pick was also pretty bad, but I think he at least made the right decision in throwing that ball. If he puts a few more inches under it, it's a big gain.