Sams / Thompson

[XocolateThundarr]

He was only on the field for 11 snaps.

Yes, part of that was because of his limits in throwing the ball and part because the offense wasn't consistently gaining first downs with the package they had for him. Two out of three drives Waters came in and converted a 3rd down, it would be a legitimate question as to why Sams wasn't reinserted after that on those 2 drives if they were really going to use the Sams package.

The fact that Waters got 18 designed run plays and Sams got 8 against a team that cant stop the read option really pissed me off.

[kso_FAN]

The fact that Waters got 18 designed run plays and Sams got 8 against a team that cant stop the read option really pissed me off.

Sams ran 4 read options, 4 QB leads, and 1 QB power. I think one of the read options was actually QB power too, but someone messed it up. 2 plays with penalties as well; 1 was speed option, 1 was QB lead.

Waters ran 2 stretch read options, 7 speed options (kept it twice), and 8 QB leads. The rest were sacks/scrambles.

The speed option point has been talked about enough, and those were dumb. The stretch reads were our best running gains for Hubert. I think QB reads are okay, but 8 is too many for Waters.

If Waters is playing QB for the majority of snaps, I'd like to see no more than 4-6 designed running plays called per game.

[MakeItRain]

jesus harold christ.

I always wondered about that h

[Brock Landers]

possible new ksu offense nicknames- "the stare and dink" "stare and dunk" "stare, dink, dunk" "stare, dink, dunk 'em down. kstate wildcats take that crown" "staring at double d's (dinks and dunks)"

Dunkin' Oh Nuts

[XocolateThundarr]

jesus harold christ.

I always wondered about that h

I always thought it was Hugo FWIW.

[Dr Rick Daris]

possible new ksu offense nicknames- "the stare and dink" "stare and dunk" "stare, dink, dunk" "stare, dink, dunk 'em down. kstate wildcats take that crown" "staring at double d's (dinks and dunks)"

Jake Waters Stare Down Dink and Dunk Fest

JWSDDDF

the jake waters dunk tank 

then you have a picture of sams sitting on the piece of wood over the dunk tank and waters getting ready to throw a football at the bullseye. or locket. you guys get the idea.

[hatingfrancisco]

jesus harold christ.

I always wondered about that h

I always thought it was Hugo FWIW.

Hambone

[michigancat]

He was only on the field for 11 snaps.

Yes, part of that was because of his limits in throwing the ball and part because the offense wasn't consistently gaining first downs with the package they had for him. Two out of three drives Waters came in and converted a 3rd down, it would be a legitimate question as to why Sams wasn't reinserted after that on those 2 drives if they were really going to use the Sams package.

Also a legitimate question is why do you need to take out Sams on third and six.

[kso_FAN]

He was only on the field for 11 snaps.

because of his limits in throwing the ball

Also a legitimate question is why do you need to take out Sams on third and six.

I meant to imply that above; I didn't mean to imply that his skill was limited because from what we've seen in games we don't know if it is.

[CNS]

I just don't think the staff ever really thought Texas would sell out against the run the way they did against Sams and they were completely unprepared for it. I'm not sure if I've witnessed a coaching performance by any staff as bad as the one we have had over the first 4 games of this season.

If our staff didn't think that they would, then our staff is the worst staff in college fb given our strict color coded offense.

[michigancat]

Also, Waters in the run game doesn't bother me that much. His turnovers and stalled drives and loss to the D2 team bother me...I just don't think running Hubert instead of Waters will be as beneficial as people think it would be.

[deputy dawg]

So, will anyone admit to being complete dumbasses if Waters torches Okie State enough for us to win?  A fair question.  I know everyone is team Sams, and I'd like to see more of Sams too, but Waters is just now seeing what real BCS football looks like, and shows signs of a good passing game.  Not sure he's had enough of a chance to show what he has before everyone Jeff Schwinns him.  I get it, Sams needs a chance to demonstrate his passing game too, and has already shown a much better run game. 

[Skipper44]

Also, Waters in the run game doesn't bother me that much. His turnovers and stalled drives and loss to the D2 team bother me...I just don't think running Hubert instead of Waters will be as beneficial as people think it would be.

the best benefit of taking Waters out of the run game is 2 less fumbles.  The risk:reward of Waters running the option is off the charts bad

[Rage Against the McKee]

Also, Waters in the run game doesn't bother me that much. His turnovers and stalled drives and loss to the D2 team bother me...I just don't think running Hubert instead of Waters will be as beneficial as people think it would be.

Hubert at least runs like a running back and doesn't shy away from contact. I just don't think we go deep nearly enough to get the defense on their toes so that Hubert can be effective running the ball with Waters at QB. I'd really like to see somebody else get a shot at RB. We need more speed at that position if Waters is going to be the QB.

[michigancat]

Also, Waters in the run game doesn't bother me that much. His turnovers and stalled drives and loss to the D2 team bother me...I just don't think running Hubert instead of Waters will be as beneficial as people think it would be.

Hubert at least runs like a running back and doesn't shy away from contact. I just don't think we go deep nearly enough to get the defense on their toes so that Hubert can be effective running the ball with Waters at QB. I'd really like to see somebody else get a shot at RB. We need more speed at that position if Waters is going to be the QB.

I pretty much agree.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So, will anyone admit to being complete dumbasses if Waters torches Okie State enough for us to win?  A fair question.  I know everyone is team Sams, and I'd like to see more of Sams too, but Waters is just now seeing what real BCS football looks like, and shows signs of a good passing game.  Not sure he's had enough of a chance to show what he has before everyone Jeff Schwinns him.  I get it, Sams needs a chance to demonstrate his passing game too, and has already shown a much better run game.

Would you have admitted to being a complete dumbass about Schwinn if he would have started against OSU and won? I wouldn't. He lost to Marshall, just like Waters lost to NDSU.

[steve dave]

Also, Waters in the run game doesn't bother me that much. His turnovers and stalled drives and loss to the D2 team bother me...I just don't think running Hubert instead of Waters will be as beneficial as people think it would be.

it wouldn't be. the entire run game grinds to a stop with him at QB. dorks can "grade out" his passes for Texas and decide that was a good game but when he eliminates an entire portion of our offense (the portion we have traditionally relied upon the most) I grade him an F-.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

well, having our best athlete on the bench for over half the snaps doesnt do us any good. do whatever it takes to get him on the field and get him in space. its a definitely comparitive advantage to the status quo.

i like the move, if the only other option is having him play QB2 as opposed to QB1.

[kslim]

I think seeing waters lose to a fcs team is enough for me never to put my chips in the middle of the table on him, especially after SAMs destroyed them

The seeing bcs defenses is a decent talking point but you should never lose to a d2 team

[Rage Against the McKee]

well, having your best athlete on the bench for over half the snaps doesnt do us any good. do whatever it takes to get him on the field and get him in space. its a definitely comparitive advantage to the status quo.

i like the move, if the only other option is having him play QB2 as opposed to QB1.

That's not the only other option, though. Nothing is keeping Snyder from making him QB1 and winning games.

[lopakman]

well, having your best athlete on the bench for over half the snaps doesnt do us any good. do whatever it takes to get him on the field and get him in space. its a definitely comparitive advantage to the status quo.

i like the move, if the only other option is having him play QB2 as opposed to QB1.

That's not the only other option, though. Nothing is keeping Snyder from making him QB1 and winning games.

It is the only other option if Snyder refuses to play him as QB1.  I don't understand why people don't get this. 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

well, having your best athlete on the bench for over half the snaps doesnt do us any good. do whatever it takes to get him on the field and get him in space. its a definitely comparitive advantage to the status quo.

i like the move, if the only other option is having him play QB2 as opposed to QB1.

That's not the only other option, though. Nothing is keeping Snyder from making him QB1 and winning games.

id like you to read my post again and then stop being stubborn.

[Pett]

Everyone chill the eff out and let's see if we can get some other tidbits from our bye week out of bsac

[kso_FAN]

Also, Waters in the run game doesn't bother me that much. His turnovers and stalled drives and loss to the D2 team bother me...I just don't think running Hubert instead of Waters will be as beneficial as people think it would be.

it wouldn't be. the entire run game grinds to a stop with him at QB. dorks can "grade out" his passes for Texas and decide that was a good game but when he eliminates an entire portion of our offense (the portion we have traditionally relied upon the most) I grade him an F-.

Hurts. Man.

[Trim]

Waters is just now seeing what real BCS football looks like

We really mumped him over by shielding him from BCS football in week 1.