Sams / Thompson

[kso_FAN]

Man, Mr. Int and Sams in the backfield, shotgun formation, we're on OSU's 25yd line....oh, Jake sees something...rushes to the LOS...audibles...hike....short side option.  what a thing of beauty.  can't wait for it.

Agree that any type of speed option with Waters is absolutely stupid.

[catzacker]

I guess what I’m getting at is this:  what super awesome plays are we really going to run with Sams in the backfield?

Run a read option with him?  It doesn’t matter who’s in the backfield if they are in the backfield with Jake as the QB;  the defense doesn’t have to choose when Jake is the QB.  Oh, we’re going to run a delayed option (like a shuffle option) to the right so Daniel can fake’em out and throw?  Defense will never see that coming.

Great, line him up at WR.  Throw him an out route to the sideline.  Wonderful.  Heaven help me if we do have him at WR and don't throw a jail break screen to him I'll puke.

It’s just so stupid.  It’s so stupid to think that this will in any way help.  And what’s worse is that after some time to reflect on the offense, THIS is what the staff came up with. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think everyone is just seeing the offense move the ball better with Sams only running draws than it does with Waters throwing the ball to Lockett and occasionally throwing picks and scrambling for short gains and losses. Just think about how well the offense would move the ball if Sams were to start throwing passes.

Based on the OOC or the Texas game?

Look, I try to be fair in my analysis based on watching (and rewatching the games). And based on Sams just running the ball, K-State got to 3rd and 6, 3rd and 13, and 3rd and 10 on 3 straight drives that he led. I don't disagree that he didn't get a complete shot because he didn't throw the ball, but to say "moves the ball better with Sams only running draws" has no evidence from what we saw in Austin.

My analysis of the QB spot at K-State has only come from what I've seen, and I have made no assumptions that Sams can't read defenses or doesn't know the offense. But based on what hes not allowed to do, its clear the offensive coaching staff does not trust him to run some parts of the offense, and that's the only reason why I've pretty much conceded the spot to Waters.

Finally, in my analysis of every offensive play from 3 of our 4 games, Austin was by far Waters' best game, and I don't think its fair to conclude that he only had success in garbage time. His fumble was completely and utterly inexcusable, but that really wasn't a decision; as far as decision making goes I think he graded very, very well versus Texas. Frankly, this "stares down his receivers" talking point has very little evidence from my observations. If anything, he has made mistakes in presnap reads occasionally, but the reason he was throwing to Lockett so much IMHO vs Texas is because his presnap reads told him that Lockett would be open and he only made one mistake on a throw to Lockett in 19 attempts (the miscommunicated back shoulder throw).

It's based on yards per play, points, and turnovers over the course of the season. Hasn't Sams been better?

[Dr Rick Daris]

bsac you son of a B with this terrible news! 

[kso_FAN]

It's based on yards per play, points, and turnovers over the course of the season. Hasn't Sams been better?

Yes, I broke down what Sams did in other games and he did well leading up to UT, but my comment was based on only what we saw in Austin.

Sams was not allowed to throw (one throw was called, though a safe one) against Texas and that's a fair critique of the coaching staff. He was also hurt by some penalties. But using a pretty diverse QB run game package, the offense did not move up and down the field with him at quarterback, nor did it even cross midfield.

[steve dave]

college QB and lifelong professional college analyst kirk herbstreit: waters stares down his WR worse than anyone I've ever seen in my entire life omg it's awful, LOOK AT IT! :replay of it showing that exact thing over and over:

noted mom's basement live'r ksu_FAN: he doesn't do that. you can tell from some of the pixels right here and I've watched a lot of football in my life.

hmmmm, very interesting.

[kso_FAN]

college QB and lifelong professional college analyst kirk herbstreit: waters stares down his WR worse than anyone I've ever seen in my entire life omg it's awful, LOOK AT IT! :replay of it showing that exact thing over and over:

noted mom's basement live'r ksu_FAN: he doesn't do that. you can tell from some of the pixels right here and I've watched a lot of football in my life.

hmmmm, very interesting.

[8manpick]

Kurt herbstreit... Lol

[hatingfrancisco]

college QB and lifelong professional college analyst kirk herbstreit: waters stares down his WR worse than anyone I've ever seen in my entire life omg it's awful, LOOK AT IT! :replay of it showing that exact thing over and over:

noted mom's basement live'r ksu_FAN: he doesn't do that. you can tell from some of the pixels right here and I've watched a lot of football in my life.

hmmmm, very interesting.

SD's celebrity obsession has reached an all time high. 

[kso_FAN]

Kurt herbstreit... Lol

Yeah, I know. Ohio State loser.

[Dr Rick Daris]

possible new ksu offense nicknames- "the stare and dink" "stare and dunk" "stare, dink, dunk" "stare, dink, dunk 'em down. kstate wildcats take that crown" "staring at double d's (dinks and dunks)"

[EMAWmeister]

This could be great or it could fail miserably.

[Belvis Noland]

Sams was not allowed to throw . . . the offense did not move up and down the field with him at quarterback.

I mean, we all agree that a "diverse QB run game package" becomes a lot less diverse (i.e. more predictable) when the QB is not allowed to throw.


 

[kso_FAN]

possible new ksu offense nicknames- "the stare and dink" "stare and dunk" "stare, dink, dunk" "stare, dink, dunk 'em down. kstate wildcats take that crown" "staring at double d's (dinks and dunks)"

Jake Waters Stare Down Dink and Dunk Fest

JWSDDDF

[Trim]

Somebody just make it so Waters can't make the trip.  Then Sams plays QB, maybe Thompson recovers or whatever because we really, really need him, and we're awesome and nobody bothers bailing Waters out for the rest of the year.

#H2No

[Rage Against the McKee]

It's based on yards per play, points, and turnovers over the course of the season. Hasn't Sams been better?

Yes, I broke down what Sams did in other games and he did well leading up to UT, but my comment was based on only what we saw in Austin.

Sams was not allowed to throw (one throw was called, though a safe one) against Texas and that's a fair critique of the coaching staff. He was also hurt by some penalties. But using a pretty diverse QB run game package, the offense did not move up and down the field with him at quarterback, nor did it even cross midfield.

He was only on the field for 11 snaps.

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Jake Waters Stare Down Dink and Dunk Fest

JWSDDDF

Not sure if newest punk or kRustymichimichicat hipster band

[Rage Against the McKee]

possible new ksu offense nicknames- "the stare and dink" "stare and dunk" "stare, dink, dunk" "stare, dink, dunk 'em down. kstate wildcats take that crown" "staring at double d's (dinks and dunks)"

Jake Waters Stare Down Dink and Dunk Fest

JWSDDDF

JWSDDDFBFInt

Jake Waters Stare Down Dink and Dunk Fest Butt Fumble Int

[PIPE]

I think everyone is just seeing the offense move the ball better with Sams only running draws than it does with Waters throwing the ball to Lockett and occasionally throwing picks and scrambling for short gains and losses. Just think about how well the offense would move the ball if Sams were to start throwing passes.

Based on the OOC or the Texas game?

Look, I try to be fair in my analysis based on watching (and rewatching the games). And based on Sams just running the ball, K-State got to 3rd and 6, 3rd and 13, and 3rd and 10 on 3 straight drives that he led. I don't disagree that he didn't get a complete shot because he didn't throw the ball, but to say "moves the ball better with Sams only running draws" has no evidence from what we saw in Austin.

My analysis of the QB spot at K-State has only come from what I've seen, and I have made no assumptions that Sams can't read defenses or doesn't know the offense. But based on what hes not allowed to do, its clear the offensive coaching staff does not trust him to run some parts of the offense, and that's the only reason why I've pretty much conceded the spot to Waters.

Finally, in my analysis of every offensive play from 3 of our 4 games, Austin was by far Waters' best game, and I don't think its fair to conclude that he only had success in garbage time. His fumble was completely and utterly inexcusable, but that really wasn't a decision; as far as decision making goes I think he graded very, very well versus Texas. Frankly, this "stares down his receivers" talking point has very little evidence from my observations. If anything, he has made mistakes in presnap reads occasionally, but the reason he was throwing to Lockett so much IMHO vs Texas is because his presnap reads told him that Lockett would be open and he only made one mistake on a throw to Lockett in 19 attempts (the miscommunicated back shoulder throw).

Thanks......I get tired of all the blame going towards Waters, when I think most should go towards this coaching staff.

[kso_FAN]

He was only on the field for 11 snaps.

Yes, part of that was because of his limits in throwing the ball and part because the offense wasn't consistently gaining first downs with the package they had for him. Two out of three drives Waters came in and converted a 3rd down, it would be a legitimate question as to why Sams wasn't reinserted after that on those 2 drives if they were really going to use the Sams package.

[EMAWmeister]

He was only on the field for 11 snaps.

Yes, part of that was because of his limits in throwing the ball and part because the offense wasn't consistently gaining first downs with the package they had for him. Two out of three drives Waters came in and converted a 3rd down, it would be a legitimate question as to why Sams wasn't reinserted after that on those 2 drives if they were really going to use the Sams package.

The fact that Waters got 18 designed run plays and Sams got 8 against a team that cant stop the read option really pissed me off.

[slobber]

Also was told that this is a package/packages and if we get down quick not to expect it

Or if we get up quick, don't expect it. I am getting more and more pissed off as I think about this.

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Guys, this is all just Bill spreading misinformation.  I mean, Bookie Pimp told us this would never happen, both in the game at the same time.... 

How will we even veer?

Link please.

 

[XocolateThundarr]

Somebody just make it so Waters can't make the trip.  Then Sams plays QB, maybe Thompson recovers or whatever because we really, really need him, and we're awesome and nobody bothers bailing Waters out for the rest of the year.

#H2No

[Rage Against the McKee]

I just don't think the staff ever really thought Texas would sell out against the run the way they did against Sams and they were completely unprepared for it. I'm not sure if I've witnessed a coaching performance by any staff as bad as the one we have had over the first 4 games of this season.