Waters

[Rage Against the McKee]

The plays we have been calling for Waters could definitely improve, but they aren't the reason Waters has turned the ball over like crazy. We would be winning games with Waters at QB if he were capable of protecting the football. He just doesn't know how to manage the offense and win.

His interceptions are a product of poor passing game play calling and Waters trying to force the ball because he can't/won't tuck it and run. Also, he isn't comfortable with 75% or more of our QB run game. Ultimately it falls on the coaching staff to see this and correct it. If they've coached him not to force the ball, because they won't improve they're play calling, then he should have been pulled in favor of Sams (who will run instead of forcing, therefore bailing out the poor play calling).

He could also, you know, just throw the ball away. Has he even done that at all this season? I recall on time it looked like maybe he was trying to do that against NDSU, but that ball was intercepted because he is such an inaccurate passer he can't even hit a sideline that is 100 yards wide.

[CNS]

Throw aways were probably taken out of his bag of allowable tricks so that he wouldn't throw it away every time we ran an option.

[kso_FAN]

he is such an inaccurate passer he can't even hit a sideline that is 100 yards wide.

The INTs and QB run game are a problem, but this is just based on blind hate of the guy and not what he's actually done in games. I don't think he's just lucked into 67% completions; he throws the ball well and has a really quick release. He's just made at least 5 terrible decisions with throws, but his accuracy is fine.

[ChiComCat]

he is such an inaccurate passer he can't even hit a sideline that is 100 yards wide.

The INTs and QB run game are a problem, but this is just based on blind hate of the guy and not what he's actually done in games. I don't think he's just lucked into 70% completions; he throws the ball well and has a really quick release. He's just made at least 5 terrible decisions with throws, but his accuracy is fine.

I was done by the time he started fumbling so I didn't see the cause.  Spinning the football in his hand prior to throwing probably needs to stop regardless

[kso_FAN]

I was done by the time he started fumbling so I didn't see the cause. 

butt

[michigancat]

That would make a pretty terrible _FAN Frames. Like, maybe a Kitchen Frames.

[michigancat]

2004 Webb/Meier redux = confirmed

this was a great point. Meier pretty much played the whole season, gets spaghetti brained against OU, Webb starts against Nubb and we destroy them, then we play Meier against Tech and lose. Meier starts agains MU, then Webb comes in the second half to save the day.

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=243110142

[eastcat]

I think Sams could run the offense we called for Collin. The rest of the team has a bit of experience in it as well.

He doesn't have the bulk to run between the tackles like collin did at all. Collin was a rare animal, Neither Sams nor Waters are going to be successful in an offense designed around CK.

It's pretty obvious that Sams passing game isn't effective enough to use in a game. I don't think Bill smiles on the sidelines while losing to crap teams.

Our O-Line's ability to pass block is very limited. They rarely had to do it under Collin. Watching the Baylor/oSu offensive lines pass block compared to ours makes me want to cry.

[Rams]

I think Sams could run the offense we called for Collin. The rest of the team has a bit of experience in it as well.

He doesn't have the bulk to run between the tackles like collin did at all. Collin was a rare animal, Neither Sams nor Waters are going to be successful in an offense designed around CK.

It's pretty obvious that Sams passing game isn't effective enough to use in a game. I don't think Bill smiles on the sidelines while losing to crap teams.

Our O-Line's ability to pass block is very limited. They rarely had to do it under Collin. Watching the Baylor/oSu offensive lines pass block compared to ours makes me want to cry.

hey maybe if you just keep saying it you'll eventually have some evidence to back it up.

but probably not.

[AbeFroman]

I think Sams could run the offense we called for Collin. The rest of the team has a bit of experience in it as well.

He doesn't have the bulk to run between the tackles like collin did at all. Collin was a rare animal, Neither Sams nor Waters are going to be successful in an offense designed around CK.

It's pretty obvious that Sams passing game isn't effective enough to use in a game. I don't think Bill smiles on the sidelines while losing to crap teams.

Our O-Line's ability to pass block is very limited. They rarely had to do it under Collin. Watching the Baylor/oSu offensive lines pass block compared to ours makes me want to cry.

Couldn't be any worse than some of Klein's passing in 2010 and beginning of 2011

[Winters]

I think Sams could run the offense we called for Collin. The rest of the team has a bit of experience in it as well.

I would like more inverted veer plays

[hatingfrancisco]

Waters is our QB.  Sams isn't good enough to unseat him.  Seems pretty damn straight forward don't you think?

[CNS]

Sams is bbs'ing without his index fingers.

[steve dave]

Waters is our QB.  Sams isn't good enough to unseat him.  Seems pretty damn straight forward don't you think?

I can see how someone who doesn't know crap about football (you, _FAN) would believe this.

[sonofdaxjones]

Didn't read all this thread . . . if Waters is going to be the guy, than run an offense that's suited for his game and quit all the QB run game BS once and for all, and quit making the O-Line man have to adjust for what each QB does better than the other.

This is why you recruit guys that are the best fit for your system, and the style of QB that has brought you the greatest amount of success.   

The QB situation falls fully on Snyder for being unable to land quality true dual threat QB's.   Whiffing again and again on Dual Threat QB's over 4 recruiting classes is like a Rolls-Royce salesman leaving an Arab Oil Sheik trade show not having racked up one sale, or the guy from Lockheed Martin not closing one deal at the Paris Air Show.

['taterblast]

a Mizzou coworker just basically reiterated all of the (good) talking points in this thread. so like, it's obvious to outsiders. rough ridin', what.

[kso_FAN]

Waters is our QB.  Sams isn't good enough to unseat him.  Seems pretty damn straight forward don't you think?

I can see how someone who doesn't know crap about football (you, _FAN) would believe this.

FTR, I have never said Sams isn't good enough, because I don't know based on what I've seen. Clearly is a dynamic quarterback, but his play selection has been so limited I don't know what he can do. My assumption based on how he's used in games is that the coaches don't trust him, but then Snyder keeps saying bizarre stuff in interviews. I have said that I do put part of the responsibility on him for not beating out Waters, but that is an assumption that he was given a fair shot in practice since last January to do so. 

[steve dave]

a Mizzou coworker just basically reiterated all of the (good) talking points in this thread. so like, it's obvious to outsiders. rough ridin', what.

it's obvious to everyone but a very special select few (one of who (whom?) unfortunately gets to decide). during our game twitter was a who's who of other team media, website owners and analysts saying the exact things most of us are saying.

[Panjandrum]

a Mizzou coworker just basically reiterated all of the (good) talking points in this thread. so like, it's obvious to outsiders. rough ridin', what.

it's obvious to everyone but a very special select few (one of who (whom?) unfortunately gets to decide). during our game twitter was a who's who of other team media, website owners and analysts saying the exact things most of us are saying.

That's the power of groupthink.

If everyone inside the coaching staff thinks it's right and obvious, even when the outside majority says, "WTF?"  They'll still make the same head-scratching decisions because the groupthink is so prevalent.

[CNS]

a Mizzou coworker just basically reiterated all of the (good) talking points in this thread. so like, it's obvious to outsiders. rough ridin', what.

it's obvious to everyone but a very special select few (one of who (whom?) unfortunately gets to decide). during our game twitter was a who's who of other team media, website owners and analysts saying the exact things most of us are saying.

That's the power of groupthink.

If everyone inside the coaching staff thinks it's right and obvious, even when the outside majority says, "WTF?"  They'll still make the same head-scratching decisions because the groupthink is so prevalent.

Maybe the rest of us are all caught up in some Sams group think 

[steve dave]

a Mizzou coworker just basically reiterated all of the (good) talking points in this thread. so like, it's obvious to outsiders. rough ridin', what.

it's obvious to everyone but a very special select few (one of who (whom?) unfortunately gets to decide). during our game twitter was a who's who of other team media, website owners and analysts saying the exact things most of us are saying.

That's the power of groupthink.

If everyone inside the coaching staff thinks it's right and obvious, even when the outside majority says, "WTF?"  They'll still make the same head-scratching decisions because the groupthink is so prevalent.

Maybe the rest of us are all caught up in some Sams group think 

yeah, that's probably what's causing our football team to suck so hard

[CNS]

 

[XocolateThundarr]

a Mizzou coworker just basically reiterated all of the (good) talking points in this thread. so like, it's obvious to outsiders. rough ridin', what.

it's obvious to everyone but a very special select few (one of who (whom?) unfortunately gets to decide). during our game twitter was a who's who of other team media, website owners and analysts saying the exact things most of us are saying.

That's the power of groupthink.

If everyone inside the coaching staff thinks it's right and obvious, even when the outside majority says, "WTF?"  They'll still make the same head-scratching decisions because the groupthink is so prevalent.

Maybe the rest of us are all caught up in some Sams group think 

or have all of our mental faculties

[eastcat]

I think Sams could run the offense we called for Collin. The rest of the team has a bit of experience in it as well.

He doesn't have the bulk to run between the tackles like collin did at all. Collin was a rare animal, Neither Sams nor Waters are going to be successful in an offense designed around CK.

It's pretty obvious that Sams passing game isn't effective enough to use in a game. I don't think Bill smiles on the sidelines while losing to crap teams.

Our O-Line's ability to pass block is very limited. They rarely had to do it under Collin. Watching the Baylor/oSu offensive lines pass block compared to ours makes me want to cry.

hey maybe if you just keep saying it you'll eventually have some evidence to back it up.

but probably not.

Like the spring game where he threw a pick against one of the scrubbiest defenses on earth?

He doesn't play for a reason.

[steve dave]

I think Sams could run the offense we called for Collin. The rest of the team has a bit of experience in it as well.

He doesn't have the bulk to run between the tackles like collin did at all. Collin was a rare animal, Neither Sams nor Waters are going to be successful in an offense designed around CK.

It's pretty obvious that Sams passing game isn't effective enough to use in a game. I don't think Bill smiles on the sidelines while losing to crap teams.

Our O-Line's ability to pass block is very limited. They rarely had to do it under Collin. Watching the Baylor/oSu offensive lines pass block compared to ours makes me want to cry.

hey maybe if you just keep saying it you'll eventually have some evidence to back it up.

but probably not.

Like the spring game where he threw a pick against one of the scrubbiest defenses on earth?

He doesn't play for a reason.

lol at how hard it is to find a negative data point for sams