wacky, you need to stop bringing up Sams.
Waters isn't always a pretty player. I think he's a more effective QB for K-State than most on this board, but there are many facts about his career here that are not disputable and I won't dispute those. I think the back and forth about him is often stupid, but its part of the position. I like being a fan of a team that is pretty good; maybe not great, but pretty damn good. I think Jake has played a significant role in that success.