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Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: chum1 on September 14, 2013, 06:49:15 PM
Who's our backup?
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 11:25:20 AM
bump.  i agree with the OP.
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Post by: SdK on September 06, 2014, 11:38:19 AM
 :zzz:
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 11:39:56 AM
love getting 3 points at a time!
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Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 06, 2014, 11:40:21 AM
 :facepalm: (this bump)
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Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on September 06, 2014, 11:47:42 AM
Good bump. This is worth discussing.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 06, 2014, 11:52:47 AM
Maybe he's conflicted playing his favorite team
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 11:53:54 AM
he is the alex smith of cfb (not really tho)
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Post by: Benja on September 06, 2014, 11:54:42 AM
I mean, his last, like, 7 passes have looked like dogshit. In all fairness.
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 11:56:58 AM
He's a piece of crap
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 11:57:52 AM
He's either not a good qb or he's throwing the game. You decide.
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Post by: _33 on September 06, 2014, 11:58:16 AM
Good grief.  He's terrible.
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 11:58:53 AM
:facepalm: (this bump)

 :facepalm: (this post)
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Post by: Benja on September 06, 2014, 11:58:59 AM
I don't think you could look worse than that last possession. I just threw up on my cat.
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 11:59:12 AM
yank him
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Post by: Benja on September 06, 2014, 12:05:33 PM
Is being back in Iowa making Jake want to go back to his loserly Iowa ways?
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 12:08:05 PM
designed runs for waters  :facepalm:
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Post by: renocat on September 06, 2014, 12:12:38 PM
Not good, Should be up by 30.  If we are like this against ISU, the Auburn game is going to be long.  i read that Cantele is healthy and looking to have a big year,  I thought it would be extra pts.though.
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 12:17:09 PM
good points, renocat
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Post by: Benja on September 06, 2014, 12:19:48 PM
good points, renocat

yeah, great post
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Post by: pvegs on September 06, 2014, 12:26:14 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
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Post by: _33 on September 06, 2014, 12:28:58 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.

No, he hasn't.  He's made several awful throws and taken at least 2 sacks he had no business taking.
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 12:29:54 PM
he played good against michigan tho!!!!
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Post by: kitten_mittons on September 06, 2014, 12:30:50 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Benja on September 06, 2014, 12:31:07 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.

I dunno if I agree with this
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 12:33:44 PM
Their rb is better a better qb than waters
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Post by: pvegs on September 06, 2014, 12:33:52 PM
All these penalties and this dogshit defense aren't helping.
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 12:35:29 PM
Who else is feeling an int?
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 12:42:38 PM
Greatest play by waters career to get that sneak before the review.
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Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 06, 2014, 12:45:38 PM
It was clearly a good catch.
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Post by: stunted on September 06, 2014, 12:46:09 PM
20 points in a half is pretty good  :ksu:
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Post by: Spracne on September 06, 2014, 12:46:54 PM

It was clearly a good catch.

The top pro disagrees bro
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 12:47:06 PM
Not disputing that John.  But that was superior situational awareness.
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 12:48:16 PM

It was clearly a good catch.

The top pro disagrees bro
not what he said at all.  He said he was surprised they didn't stop the play for a review.
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 12:50:20 PM
Jake made some bad throws, particularly the miss to Lockett. But pass protection has been poor and the defense has been terrible. Also, Jones need to be on the field. I like Robinson but it's clear Jones is the guy. JMHO.
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Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on September 06, 2014, 12:50:44 PM
Not disputing that John.  But that was superior situational awareness.

Agreed.
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 12:51:31 PM
charles jones is  :love:
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 12:53:06 PM
Are our receivers dogshit?  I mean, waters has been holding forever.  Is he an unconfident loser?  Gotta be one or the other, right?
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Post by: j-dub on September 06, 2014, 12:54:00 PM
it was dumb to worry about our rb's. we should have been worried about everything else
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Post by: catzacker on September 06, 2014, 12:55:17 PM
Are our receivers dogshit?  I mean, waters has been holding forever.  Is he an unconfident loser?  Gotta be one or the other, right?

avg (at best) QB, shitty WR's, below avg OL.

perfect recipe.
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 12:58:46 PM
Jake made some bad throws, particularly the miss to Lockett. But pass protection has been poor and the defense has been terrible. Also, Jones need to be on the field. I like Robinson but it's clear Jones is the guy. JMHO.

well if you have a shitty o-line you might want to keep a guy like a daniel sams around.
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 01:00:42 PM
Are our receivers dogshit?  I mean, waters has been holding forever.  Is he an unconfident loser?  Gotta be one or the other, right?

We didn't adjust well and I think the early long throw to Lockett played into this.

ISU decided that they were going to roll the dice, load the box, and play man on our receivers with only 1 deep saftey most of the time. We burned them early then nearly burned them again on the 2nd drive when Waters missed Lockett.

As a result I think we thought we can throw on these guys all day, but ISU (until the final drive) took away Lockett and our other receivers couldn't get separation. Also, Jake didn't have the checkdowns like last week because we kept RBs in for extra protection. Also, when we got down inside the redzone we insisted on throwing the ball even though we were still running for chunks against ISU's defense stacking the box. Then we start making mistakes (false starts) and our defense absolutely implodes.

There is no reason we should not have been up 21-0 or 17-0. Once ISU grabbed momentum we were in a dogfight.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 01:01:30 PM
Jake made some bad throws, particularly the miss to Lockett. But pass protection has been poor and the defense has been terrible. Also, Jones need to be on the field. I like Robinson but it's clear Jones is the guy. JMHO.

well if you have a shitty o-line you might want to keep a guy like a daniel sams around.

I'm not sold the oline is terrible, it might be better than last year. We are gashing them in the run game. However, we are having trouble with in pass protection, particularly against ISU's blitzes.
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 01:04:20 PM
Gronk is struggling.  Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt.  Then the two point conv "block".
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 01:06:22 PM
Gronk is struggling.  Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt.  Then the two point conv "block".


Yeah, we made an amazing amount of mistakes and are only down 8. ISU is still a very limited football team. If we get things figured out, we could still win by nearly 2 TDs.
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 01:09:40 PM
Not disputing that John.  But that was superior situational awareness.

Agreed.

wow, didn't know about the pylon rule.  that catch gets really close. 
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Post by: Powercat Posse on September 06, 2014, 01:09:51 PM
4false starts. Holding call. Our Wr core outside of Lockett and sometimes Sexton are having real problems (burton is extremely raw and it's showing).  Is Jake playing very average? Yes.  He missed some throws but had a couple nice runs no one is even talking about. 
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 01:11:35 PM
Jake much better at running this year than last.
  Like, light years better.
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 01:25:50 PM
i understand why iowa state didn't recruit waters
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Post by: pvegs on September 06, 2014, 01:28:24 PM
Gronk is struggling.  Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt.  Then the two point conv "block".


Yeah, we made an amazing amount of mistakes and are only down 8. ISU is still a very limited football team. If we get things figured out, we could still win by nearly 2 TDs.

_Fan, I agree in general, but I think you might be underestimating just how bad our defense is.
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Post by: slobber on September 06, 2014, 01:29:10 PM

Jake much better at running this year than last.
  Like, light years better.
He did have a nice fainting goat.


Gonna win 'em all!
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Post by: j-dub on September 06, 2014, 01:30:03 PM
guys, jake waters is no john elway. and that's bad for many reasons, but most importantly because they pinned us back on our own 2 yd line.
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 01:31:18 PM
Gronk is struggling.  Picked a really shitty block(picked a kid already being blocked and let the LB unblocked get jake) on the jake run that ended up a yrd short causing a punt.  Then the two point conv "block".


Yeah, we made an amazing amount of mistakes and are only down 8. ISU is still a very limited football team. If we get things figured out, we could still win by nearly 2 TDs.

_Fan, I agree in general, but I think you might be underestimating just how bad our defense is.

I might be. They look pretty bad.
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 01:31:41 PM
Pretty big fainting goat fan, here.  Not gonna lie.  Those little guys are adorable.
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 01:32:22 PM
Side note: Mangino is going to 30ball KU
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Post by: Powercat Posse on September 06, 2014, 01:50:06 PM
2nd false start by a WR. This one helps kill a drive. Right side of OL, burton, cook all showing their lack of experience.
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Post by: j-dub on September 06, 2014, 01:52:02 PM
no. wr's do not get excused for false starts because of "inexperience"

if they have played one single solitary football play in their entire lives they know not to jump early while lined up off the ball watching the freaking ball
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 01:52:53 PM
Lockett's injury is hurting a lot. Clearly not as explosive and unable to be used in the return game. Completely changes what this team is. Burton may be good someday, but had a long way to go. And you aren't going to beat people with Sexton and Cooks.
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 01:53:39 PM
2nd false start by a WR. This one helps kill a drive. Right side of OL, burton, cook all showing their lack of experience.

it's not that they don't have experience, it's that they have no talent and aren't good
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Post by: j-dub on September 06, 2014, 02:03:25 PM
where is andre davis?
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 02:04:19 PM
Good dive, unconfident loser
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Post by: catzacker on September 06, 2014, 02:04:24 PM
WHAT A rough ridin' PUSSY
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Post by: ednksu on September 06, 2014, 02:05:43 PM
seriously, why not go with the exact same play which just got you the 6.  what in the flying eff.
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Post by: catzacker on September 06, 2014, 02:06:21 PM
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 02:07:04 PM
Should have taken the point and played d.
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 02:07:06 PM
Jake is going to accidentally forget people are watching and will jump in the Iowa state dogpile to celebrate
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 02:07:22 PM
hates contact
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 02:07:36 PM
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.

we don't need sams
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Post by: j-dub on September 06, 2014, 02:08:01 PM
if he's concussed, we are in deep trouble.

i mean, even deeper than previously thought which was pretty freaking deep
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Post by: Powercat Posse on September 06, 2014, 02:13:53 PM
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.

No, we had the 1st down if Cody doesn't false start (waters completes to Lockett, 4th and 1 never happens).
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 02:15:39 PM
We either win this or jake is throwing the game. Guess the facts will be shown soon enough
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Post by: catzacker on September 06, 2014, 02:16:31 PM
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.

No, we had the 1st down if Cody doesn't false start (waters completes to Lockett, 4th and 1 never happens).

the game I watched showed waters' vagina a yard short on each play. blame others, the play was there to be made, he curled up.
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 02:16:34 PM
You guys can hate Waters if you want. I get it. But Bill also needs to remember Waters isn't Klein (and 230 pounds).
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Post by: pvegs on September 06, 2014, 02:17:16 PM
to recap....that huge rough ridin' FP gets stopped on a half yard 4rth down conversion to lose a 8minute 66yrd drive, then gets crushed at the end zone to lose a two point conversion.

No, we had the 1st down if Cody doesn't false start (waters completes to Lockett, 4th and 1 never happens).

The Waters hate is insane in this thread. He's probably 6th or 7th on the list of issues right now.
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 02:19:11 PM
That gronk toss could have been our savior.
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Post by: catzacker on September 06, 2014, 02:20:43 PM
That gronk toss could have been our savior.

yeah, but it's not waters' fault.  it is some one else's fault.  cody or LHC Bill Snyder or someone.  just not jakes.
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Post by: Panjandrum on September 06, 2014, 02:20:50 PM
Burn everything down.

Everything.

Destroy the Snyder statue.
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 02:21:59 PM
That gronk toss could have been our savior.

It was a bad miss, Gronk had lots of room. Waters has been far from great in this game and made plenty of mistakes.
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 02:22:09 PM
bump.  i agree with the OP.

maybe the best bump of all time
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Post by: j-dub on September 06, 2014, 02:25:27 PM
carnes..  :lol:
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 02:30:58 PM
Once again, goEMAW and hero Kim Carnes appear to have willed our loser qb to victory
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Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 06, 2014, 02:31:45 PM
Waters has rushed for 127 yards    :popcorn:
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Post by: OK_Cat on September 06, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
goEMAW saves the day. You're welcome, kstate fans
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 02:32:34 PM
Collin pumping up Jake during the timeout. :D
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Post by: CNS on September 06, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
Guys, over the last few yrs, with all the last min stuff.....I just don't know.  This isn't easy for me.
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Post by: Watershed on September 06, 2014, 02:45:09 PM
Just talked to Jake. He's really not upset with the bashing but he did mention something about you guys can go eff yourself.  :billdance:
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Post by: pvegs on September 06, 2014, 02:53:06 PM
Waters had 370 yds of total offense with 2 TDs and no TOs. His pass blocking is bad, his WRs consist of a one legged Tyler Lockett and Kerry Meier's drunk cousins and our defense is less talented and assignment sound than we thought. He wasn't great. I wish he was better. I wish Sams had turned out to be the duel threat stud we all wanted. But it is what it is. He won the game, he played like he cared. That's more than anyone else on the team can say.
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Post by: brandochav on September 06, 2014, 02:54:54 PM
Just talked to Jake. He's really not upset with the bashing but he did mention something about you guys can go eff yourself.  :billdance:

 :ROFL:
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Post by: kim carnes on September 06, 2014, 02:55:12 PM
Waters had 370 yds of total offense with 2 TDs and no TOs. His pass blocking is bad, his WRs consist of a one legged Tyler Lockett and Kerry Meier's drunk cousins and our defense is less talented and assignment sound than we thought. He wasn't great. I wish he was better. I wish Sams had turned out to be the duel threat stud we all wanted. But it is what it is. He won the game, he played like he cared. That's more than anyone else on the team can say.

unfortunately for jake, we don't play iowa state every week
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 02:55:20 PM
Waters had 370 yds of total offense with 2 TDs and no TOs. His pass blocking is bad, his WRs consist of a one legged Tyler Lockett and Kerry Meier's drunk cousins and our defense is less talented and assignment sound than we thought. He wasn't great. I wish he was better. I wish Sams had turned out to be the duel threat stud we all wanted. But it is what it is. He won the game, he played like he cared. That's more than anyone else on the team can say.

Good post.
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Post by: Powercat Posse on September 06, 2014, 03:00:46 PM
 :ksu:
That gronk toss could have been our savior.

It was a bad miss, Gronk had lots of room. Waters has been far from great in this game and made plenty of mistakes.

No doubt he missed some throws.  377 total yds, 0 turnovers. Not the worst qb in the big12 like some tend to think by their replies.   

Bottom line he was good and bad. But the 0 TOs is just a huge positive.  Ssms was pretty darn good vs OkSt last year, but was good and bad because of the 4TOs.   Turnovers are killers and last years entire team knows
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 06, 2014, 03:03:46 PM
gE brought this game home down the stretch, pretty amazing to do it again.
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on September 06, 2014, 03:05:26 PM
Water's has grown on me. He also seems to be able to step up his game when we need him to. He had some errors, but so did a lot of guys on the team.
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 06, 2014, 03:05:36 PM
No doubt he missed some throws.  377 total yds, 0 turnovers. Not the worst qb in the big12 like some tend to think by their replies.   

Bottom line he was good and bad. But the 0 TOs is just a huge positive.  Ssms was pretty darn good vs OkSt last year, but was good and bad because of the 4TOs.   Turnovers are killers and last years entire team knows


Yeah, 0 turnovers is big and he made huge plays on the game winning drive. I wasn't sure he'd come back after the hit on the 2 pt.
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Post by: renocat on September 06, 2014, 03:09:35 PM
Did Jake hike the ball to himself?  He did everything else.  He has a big heart - Klein Juice.  Listened to the game and it sounded like our o-line wore out the Iowa State d-line.   This win was ugly. Just like my 3 legged, half blind, and 70% toothless dog who can still catch an old Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) spastic rabbit,  we won.
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Post by: star seed 7 on September 06, 2014, 03:10:27 PM
great points, renocat
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Post by: catzacker on September 06, 2014, 03:15:14 PM
Jake played well.  But you can take the cape off him.  Lockett is the only reason he is, was, or will be successful.
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Post by: wetwillie on September 06, 2014, 03:17:10 PM
I want Andre Davis to be good.  I'm starting to think he may not be.
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Post by: pvegs on September 06, 2014, 04:52:12 PM
I want Andre Davis to be good.  I'm starting to think he may not be.

I don't remember him playing at all or Judah Jones getting any meaningful opportunities. Seems similar to defense where we have more talented guys on the bench but Snyder just doesn't trust them.
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Post by: felix rex on September 07, 2014, 10:16:57 AM
Hmmm. Apparently drunk felix was ranting about Waters on Twitter last night. Did not entirely remember that, but I stand by every word.
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Post by: Frankenklein on September 07, 2014, 10:24:54 AM
I want Andre Davis to be good.  I'm starting to think he may not be.

I don't remember him playing at all or Judah Jones getting any meaningful opportunities. Seems similar to defense where we have more talented guys on the bench but Snyder just doesn't trust them.
Judah will be this years Sams with Snyder saying he needs to play more as his playing time dwindles  :frown:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 07, 2014, 10:38:01 AM
Judah probably didn't read a defense right in the film room on Monday.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 07, 2014, 11:14:34 AM
Waters just mooshed all the haters fat faces. :love:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on September 07, 2014, 11:25:16 AM
Waters just mooshed all the haters fat faces. :love:

Waters is a cocksucking Iowa hillbilly that will be lucky to win 6 games this year after our racist staff ran off the best QB we had.  Continue having your circle jerk over a Jake picture at your weekly klan meetings I guess
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Trim on September 07, 2014, 11:26:29 AM
Hmmm. Apparently drunk felix was ranting about Waters on Twitter last night. Did not entirely remember that, but I stand by every word.

Always.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 07, 2014, 11:38:12 AM
Waters just mooshed all the haters fat faces. :love:

Waters is a cocksucking Iowa hillbilly that will be lucky to win 6 games this year after our racist staff ran off the best QB we had.  Continue having your circle jerk over a Jake picture at your weekly klan meetings I guess
:facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on September 07, 2014, 12:20:00 PM
Sams WAS the dual threat QB we hoped would be. (And more).
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 8manpick on September 07, 2014, 12:21:48 PM
How about the throw to Gronk late in the 4th that should have gone for huge yardage?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bshea85 on September 07, 2014, 01:17:16 PM
I don't know what that game was all about.  Waters did miss some throws, but I'm a fan, so I'll defend him.  It was an early game, these guys probably had to get up at the butt-crack of dawn after staying in a shitty flood-aggie Motel 6 (the best that Ames has to offer).  I'm just glad he could shake some of that Iowa crap off of him to take care of the game when he really needed to.  Armhair Quarterback wins again.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on September 07, 2014, 02:07:56 PM
spiraldeliverysystem.com played a good game
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on September 07, 2014, 03:05:03 PM
Pretty good game by Jake. 

Of note, Sams only had one game where he rushed for more yards than Jake did yesterday (199 on 30 carries against Baylor).
 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: eastcat on September 07, 2014, 03:06:30 PM
Klein has been teaching jake how to run.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Frankenklein on September 07, 2014, 03:25:33 PM
Pretty good game by Jake. 

Of note, Sams only had one game where he rushed for more yards than Jake did yesterday (199 on 30 carries against Baylor).
don't forget his 10 of 22 for 120 yards passing and 1 interception plus the fact we held the ball for almost 40 minutes in that game
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 07, 2014, 06:19:38 PM
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on September 07, 2014, 06:36:33 PM
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.

I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 07, 2014, 06:44:28 PM
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.

I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?

I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on September 07, 2014, 06:46:22 PM
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.

I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?

I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.

He ran straight up, it was awful.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 07, 2014, 06:51:26 PM
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.

I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?

I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.

He ran straight up, it was awful.

Just like Klein.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: puniraptor on September 07, 2014, 06:53:06 PM
Jake was good enough to beat a terrible ISU team yesterday. Nothing more, nothing less. Hubener probably isn't better than Jake, but I do think he might be the better option in short yardage situations.

I take it you didn't watch Huebner run against sfa?

I thought he looked pretty good against SFA. Good enough that I would rather have him attempt a short yardage conversion instead of watching Waters get sketti brained while coming up just short.

He ran straight up, it was awful.

Just like Klein.
Exactly. Spittin image.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: KCFDcat on September 07, 2014, 07:04:52 PM
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 07, 2014, 07:06:21 PM
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.

He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on September 07, 2014, 07:14:58 PM
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.

He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.

Hubener is nothing like Klein, but continue making that point I guess.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: puniraptor on September 07, 2014, 07:15:51 PM
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.

He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.

Hubener is nothing like Klein, but continue making that point I guess.
Does he not bleed?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 07, 2014, 07:21:04 PM
Jakes gonna get himself sketti brained if he plays like that much more this season.

He probably already has. If he's not completing passes, we need to let Hubener come in and Klein it up.

Hubener is nothing like Klein, but continue making that point I guess.

Maybe he isn't as durable, but it's not really a big deal if the backup QB gets injured.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 07, 2014, 07:23:17 PM
Klein has been teaching jake how to run.
He ran a crap ton playing juco ball. He knows how to do it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 07, 2014, 07:26:00 PM
Jfc. Stop talking about Hubener.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 07, 2014, 07:27:08 PM
Klein has been teaching jake how to run.
He ran a crap ton playing juco ball. He knows how to do it.

Waters looks great scrambling on pass plays and he has gotten a lot better at the option. He isn't good running in short yardage situations, though, and never will be. He just isn't built for it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 07, 2014, 07:41:23 PM
waters is a very stranger runner, actively looks for contact in the open field, cowers away from contact in 1 yard situations.  switch it around bro!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on September 07, 2014, 08:16:12 PM
Sams WAS the dual threat QB we hoped would be. (And more).
How did Sams and the Jacks do against the Fighting Bo's?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on September 07, 2014, 08:23:43 PM
Sams WAS the dual threat QB we hoped would be. (And more).
How did Sams and the Jacks do against the Fighting Bo's?

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 07, 2014, 08:32:16 PM
waters is a very stranger runner, actively looks for contact in the open field, cowers away from contact in 1 yard situations.  switch it around bro!

Yeah he needs to mix in a slide. That great run he had to set up the last TD he got tagged in the open field to finish the run, that should not happen.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TownieCat on September 08, 2014, 10:40:04 AM
Big 12 PotW. Jake mushed a lot of faces ITT.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on September 08, 2014, 10:40:29 AM
Big 12 PotW. Jake mushed a lot of faces ITT.
he's a stud doing stud things
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MadCat on September 08, 2014, 10:48:39 AM
He really turned a corner and became a true leader for America's team doing America's team things.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 18, 2014, 08:01:04 PM
Its time to admit he a turnover prone player.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2014, 08:02:21 PM
rough ridin' cantele
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2014, 08:15:12 PM
Will he ever stop being a loser?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 18, 2014, 08:19:53 PM
rough ridin' cantele
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on September 18, 2014, 09:02:28 PM
He has played like garbage.  don't take anything away from our WRs though, they are terrible as well. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 18, 2014, 09:08:43 PM
He's getting worse as the game has progressed. He's just throwing it as far as he can and hoping for the best.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Spracne on September 18, 2014, 09:10:21 PM
Pure Sexton has been pretty good
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on September 18, 2014, 09:10:23 PM
I mean our 2nd best option to throw to is curry sexton.  Sheesh.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on September 18, 2014, 09:10:49 PM
Pretty sad that we will probably improve next year by starting a true freshman qb. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: NDSUSR on September 18, 2014, 09:16:13 PM
He's getting worse as the game has progressed. He's just throwing it as far as he can and hoping for the best.

His accuracy after 10 yards is zero.  He cant go through progressions, he can only throw to the primary.
He needs to go.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: _33 on September 18, 2014, 09:18:18 PM
I hate Jake Waters.  He's awful.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: _33 on September 18, 2014, 09:18:55 PM
OK hate is a strong word.  Which is why I used it.  I really, really hate him.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on September 18, 2014, 09:19:18 PM
Our team may be hot garbage. I do like DJamer. He is a stud.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2014, 09:21:52 PM
I hate Jake Waters.  He's awful.

Always have, always will. Worst QB snyder has ever had
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 09:23:45 PM
Cantele plays like an actual kicker.  This thread  :'bye cruel world:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Tobias on September 18, 2014, 09:26:04 PM
who is iowa state's quarterback?  we would have beat these losers with him
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on September 18, 2014, 09:27:02 PM
Sure Cantele was awful too, but there was enough awfulness to spread around, not sure if our super losery qb takes the cake or our super losery kicker.  It's close. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2014, 09:27:24 PM
We would win easily with McNeese States qb
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2014, 09:28:18 PM
Cozart would have blown these losers out
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 18, 2014, 09:29:12 PM
Cozart would have blown these losers out

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on September 18, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
I told you guys this rough ridin' loser has no talent and will be the death of this team
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on September 18, 2014, 09:41:10 PM
Beat it #Life, you awful BBS'r
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 09:41:40 PM
I told you guys this rough ridin' loser has no talent and will be the death of this team

GTFO loser
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on September 18, 2014, 09:42:19 PM
This fan base loves unconfident losers
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 09:44:44 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on September 18, 2014, 09:46:17 PM
Yeah, woof at these idiots defending him.  Grant Gregory wins this game by 10 points.  I feel sorry for you loser obsessed with this Iowa reject.  Think about that...IOWA rough ridin' STATE didn't even want him.  Dumbass fanbase confirmed
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 09:50:53 PM
Yeah, woof at these idiots defending him.  Grant Gregory wins this game by 10 points.  I feel sorry for you loser obsessed with this Iowa reject.  Think about that...IOWA rough ridin' STATE didn't even want him.  Dumbass fanbase confirmed

Sucks your QB isn't viewable on TV.  5/6 of our rough ridin' team wasn't wanted by any team, rough ridin' loser.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 18, 2014, 09:51:49 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Watershed on September 18, 2014, 09:52:23 PM
I think lifes expetise is in the other football.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 09:54:32 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on September 18, 2014, 09:54:57 PM
And Waters seems to be something other than leadership.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 09:59:13 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?

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Fumble yes,  INT no.  Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.

Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16.  All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant.  Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play.  Kicker misses more than he did last season?  Waters is the least of our worries.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 18, 2014, 10:01:54 PM
Waters was more good than bad, but made mistakes. People that say he is the worst Snyder QB ever are trolling or really, really dumb.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 06wildcat on September 18, 2014, 10:02:39 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: _33 on September 18, 2014, 10:03:29 PM
He's def not the worst but I hate that kietzman and others keep talking about how he's the best throwing QB Snyder has ever had.  He's not.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 18, 2014, 10:03:35 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?

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Fumble yes,  INT no.  Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.

Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16.  All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant.  Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play.  Kicker misses more than he did last season?  Waters is the least of our worries.
So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:05:45 PM
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 18, 2014, 10:07:13 PM
He's def not the worst but I hate that kietzman and others keep talking about how he's the best throwing QB Snyder has ever had.  He's not.

Not even close
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 18, 2014, 10:07:16 PM
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.
What the eff are you talking about?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:07:45 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.

You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on September 18, 2014, 10:08:53 PM
He's def not the worst but I hate that kietzman and others keep talking about how he's the best throwing QB Snyder has ever had.  He's not.
yeah, Kavs has to fist pump a little on every 9 ft high out by Jake
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 10:10:51 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?

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Fumble yes,  INT no.  Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.

Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16.  All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant.  Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play.  Kicker misses more than he did last season?  Waters is the least of our worries.
So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?

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I don't think you get it loser.  We were down and out, he scrambled and tried to make something happen.  Tried to make something happen because no one else on the entire team can capitalize on a moment.  Obviously it didn't work but at that point what do you do?  Run out of bounds or throw it away that late in the game on a late down?

He wouldn't have been in that sitch if it wasn't for Lockett and cantele. We would've been slow sny'd down the field barely picking up short and thirds and punting by that point wasting time.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:11:36 PM
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.
What the eff are you talking about?

We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on September 18, 2014, 10:12:13 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.

You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.

Dumbass fans confirmed  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 18, 2014, 10:13:47 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?

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Fumble yes,  INT no.  Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.

Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16.  All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant.  Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play.  Kicker misses more than he did last season?  Waters is the least of our worries.
So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?

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I don't think you get it loser.  We were down and out, he scrambled and tried to make something happen.  Tried to make something happen because no one else on the entire team can capitalize on a moment.  Obviously it didn't work but at that point what do you do?  Run out of bounds or throw it away that late in the game on a late down?

He wouldn't have been in that sitch if it wasn't for Lockett and cantele. We would've been slow sny'd down the field barely picking up short and thirds and punting by that point wasting time.
Uhh, the receiver was wide open, he missed him by like 5 yards.  So I guess what "you do" is throw it to the receiver and not to the db covering the other receiver.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 18, 2014, 10:14:21 PM
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.
What the eff are you talking about?

We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
What do you have to bet that we beat one of those teams?

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:15:44 PM
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.
What the eff are you talking about?

We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
What do you have to bet that we beat one of those teams?

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I don't gamble. I just call it like I see it and I am almost always right. This team is very weak.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on September 18, 2014, 10:18:21 PM
This team will not beat a quality opponent all year, and it goes way beyond Waters, at least on the field. We clearly have no leaders. That is the most mentally weak Kansas State team I have watched since 2004. Let's just be thankful we have enough raw talent to make a decent bowl game.
What the eff are you talking about?

We will not beat OU, Baylor, or OSU. This is a 7-8 win team. They cannot handle pressure. They just pissed what should have been an easy win away. They aren't going to beat better teams on the schedule.
What do you have to bet that we beat one of those teams?

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I don't gamble. I just call it like I see it and I am almost always right. This team is very weak.
It's not a gamble if you are always right.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TaqMan on September 18, 2014, 10:20:03 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.

You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.

Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:22:07 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.

You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.

Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.

First half, yes. But in the second half, they proved to be every bit as mentally weak as the other units.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: _33 on September 18, 2014, 10:27:21 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.

You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.

Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.

First half, yes. But in the second half, they proved to be every bit as mentally weak as the other units.

No.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:31:39 PM
Waters was fine. This loss was a team effort. 3 rough ridin' missed field goals and that Lockett drop in the end zone were the worst offenders. The defense couldn't get a stop in the 2nd half, either. This team does not belong in the top 25. Good teams do not lose games like this.

He was 24-40 with a pick and fumble not counting Lockett's drop. That's far from fine.

You have to give some credit to the top 5 team we were playing. This loss was more on the defense and special teams than it was the offense.

Not a big poster, but this has to be the dumbest post I've read in some time. WTF? Special teams maybe (ok, yes), but the defense was good enough to win this game.

First half, yes. But in the second half, they proved to be every bit as mentally weak as the other units.

No.

How many 3rd and 6+ did they give up in the 2nd half? How many wide open wide receivers at the chains can you watch before putting some blame on the defense? Auburn does the same thing on offense as Baylor, OSU, and Oregon, only their athletes don't belong on the field with the teams those schools field. This was just a mentally weak team on display. We had more talent than Auburn. Just couldn't execute under pressure.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 10:32:02 PM
Jake has been fine but it's like everything in Snyder 2. We have no margin for error and have to execute perfectly or our lack of talent is exposed.
If jake had been fine, we would have been up 21-0.  He missed TDs on both drives that ended in FGs.

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He drove the field and converted thirds for 3 missed field goals and a Lockett turnover? 

If our team outside of jake would have been fine, we'd be +16 right now and leading the entire game
So you aren't counting the int and the fumble?

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Fumble yes,  INT no.  Hard to bomb down the field 3 times in the row trying to make up for all the other under capitalized drives.

Either way, if we counted both, we should be up +16.  All American WR can pt catch a 3 yard slant.  Pretty sure I saw a 4th grader nail that play.  Kicker misses more than he did last season?  Waters is the least of our worries.
So his terrible throw for an int doesn't count because tyler lockett missed a catch eariler in the game?

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I don't think you get it loser.  We were down and out, he scrambled and tried to make something happen.  Tried to make something happen because no one else on the entire team can capitalize on a moment.  Obviously it didn't work but at that point what do you do?  Run out of bounds or throw it away that late in the game on a late down?

He wouldn't have been in that sitch if it wasn't for Lockett and cantele. We would've been slow sny'd down the field barely picking up short and thirds and punting by that point wasting time.
Uhh, the receiver was wide open, he missed him by like 5 yards.  So I guess what "you do" is throw it to the receiver and not to the db covering the other receiver.

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16 - 7 = win.  Get over it loser.  Waters was at least the third rung down on this loss.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on September 18, 2014, 10:42:54 PM
They're absolutely right. We should have won and we didn't. Auburn is probably a 3 loss team this year.  OU and Baylor are going to be incredibly tough to beat...eff it, I'm still in.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on September 18, 2014, 10:51:50 PM
Anybody blaming this loss on the defense is a huge dumbass and probably hasn't played a down of football in their entire life
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 18, 2014, 10:53:48 PM
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 10:54:19 PM
Anybody blaming this loss on the defense is a huge dumbass and probably hasn't played a down of football in their entire life

I agree, it's almost as dumb as you blindly blaming waters.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 10:55:08 PM
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.

Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 18, 2014, 10:58:43 PM
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.

Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.

Yeah, both teams made mistakes and we wasted a great opportunity. I just don't agree that many of the issues can't be fixed like you say. I don't buy that we missed FGs and dropped a couple of passes because we are mentally weak.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dub on September 18, 2014, 11:00:55 PM
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.

Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.

If that is your assessment.  We left 23 points off the board.  Next idiot.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 18, 2014, 11:06:16 PM
A mentally weak team would have lost by 3 or 4 touchdowns. Right now we're just a mistake prone team; Bill's teams often are in September. We just usually don't play top 5 teams. This team still has lots of wins in it and likely a top 3 finish in the Big 12.

Auburn left 3 or 4 touchdowns off the board.

If that is your assessment.  We left 23 points off the board.  Next idiot.

Absolutely. Both of these teams will lose games in the future because we can't capitalize on golden opportunities. We were the home team on a Thursday night, though. We should have had an easy win. This is tough to swallow.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:08:59 AM
bump.  he sucks.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:10:21 AM
bump.  he sucks.
You're such a dumb eff! Another Lockett drop and he was 3/4.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:10:56 AM
bump.  he sucks.
You're such a dumb eff! Another Lockett drop and he was 3/4.

nope.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:11:25 AM
 :flush:
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:13:59 AM
waters looked like he was still in bed on that last drive
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:15:14 AM
waters looked like he was still in bed on that last drive
I don't know how someone is so bored in San Diego of all places! You miserable buffoon!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:18:46 AM
i want to win the game no matter where i live.  also, you spelled miserable wrong.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 11:25:53 AM
ous backup is better than our starter
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:28:50 AM
what is our avg time of possession with waters?  like 30 seconds or something?  probably not gonna be a good day for our defense.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:34:17 AM
 :lol: You rough ridin' losers!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:35:15 AM
???
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Post by: mocat on October 18, 2014, 11:35:22 AM
Wacky I dare you to not respond to kim just for one day
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Post by: #LIFE on October 18, 2014, 11:36:05 AM
That loser made that simple play look as painful and as tough as humanly possible, congrats?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:37:20 AM
Wacky I dare you to not respond to kim just for one day
I know what he does, but he's a rough ridin' imbecile. It's the same rough ridin' joke over and over and some of you guys love it. So weird.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:37:55 AM
That loser made that simple play look as painful and as tough as humanly possible, congrats?
Go to the Royals thread, dumb eff!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 11:43:14 AM
he seriously might be the worst QB in history at handling pressure.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 11:44:01 AM
I think he loves the attention of being sacked
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Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 11:44:06 AM
He's not good, wacky, like at all.  He does one thing well and our backup last year did it better. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Muldoon on October 18, 2014, 11:44:36 AM
That sack was so Waters. He really pulled a fainting goat on that one.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on October 18, 2014, 11:45:22 AM
He's part turtle
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:45:47 AM
He's not good, wacky, like at all.  He does one thing well and our backup last year did it better.
Good god, we have a lot of dumb fucks in this fanbase.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 11:48:55 AM
He's not good, wacky, like at all.  He does one thing well and our backup last year did it better.
Good god, we have a lot of dumb fucks in this fanbase.
That's ironic.  I really don't get why you keep defending him.  He's maybe an average quarterback at best.  Locks on to one guy, not accurate, absolutely awful in the pocket.   Those are 3 really important things to be good at. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:50:13 AM
His stats so far. 5/7, 87 yards passing, and a TD. You guys rough ridin' judge every step he takes because you fell in love with some back up qb who shares time at an fcs school.  :lol:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 11:52:12 AM
His stats so far. 5/7, 87 yards passing, and a TD. You guys rough ridin' judge every step he takes because you fell in love with some back up qb who shares time at an fcs school.  :lol:
My god that's so stupid.  If you can't evaluate a QB with your eyes then you aren't worthy of serious discussion. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:52:40 AM
His stats so far. 5/7, 87 yards passing, and a TD. You guys rough ridin' judge every step he takes because you fell in love with some back up qb who shares time at an fcs school.  :lol:
My god that's so stupid.  If you can't evaluate a QB with your eyes then you aren't worthy of serious discussion.
Be happy, you miserable fucks!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on October 18, 2014, 11:53:18 AM
No one even brought his name up dumbass.  Did Sams sex up mrs. wacky or something?  Not sure what would make someone so bitter about great person, great teammate, and EMAW 4 life Daniel.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 11:54:24 AM
No one even brought his name up dumbass.  Did Sams sex up mrs. wacky or something?  Not sure what would make someone so bitter about great person, great teammate, and EMAW 4 life Daniel.
He created the divide, dumbass and you know it. Get a new schtick, we already have carnes.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 12:02:09 PM
That's the kind of thing I want Waters to do. 
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 12:02:51 PM
I'm glad we have guys like Gronk and Lockett to consistently bail him out. Sheesh.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 12:03:01 PM
 :lol:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 12:05:52 PM
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 12:07:39 PM
fanning, what the eff are you doing?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 12:11:49 PM
fanning, what the eff are you doing?
Exposing a lot of duumbasses.
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 12:12:29 PM
Another great bailout.
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Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 12:12:44 PM
That was a great drive, credit where credit is due. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 12:12:59 PM
ou's defense really sucks
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 12:13:08 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 12:13:37 PM
ou's defense really sucks
:lol:
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Post by: Paul Moscow on October 18, 2014, 12:13:56 PM
Waters throwing a nice ball today
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Post by: OK_Cat on October 18, 2014, 12:14:42 PM
Waters doing well today
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 12:15:04 PM
PULL HIM ALREADY!
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Post by: Catchacold on October 18, 2014, 12:15:48 PM
zzzzzzzzzzzzziiip
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 12:16:19 PM
That was a great drive, credit where credit is due.

Yes, good drive
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Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on October 18, 2014, 12:16:39 PM
Change thread title "Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters to know he is a complete badass"
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 12:16:55 PM
 I'm not a huge Waters fan you guys are literally the only people who thinks he sucks. Every analyst out there says he is solid and the stats back it up. You are the definition of stupid. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 12:17:42 PM
Guys, quit bailing Waters out, his receivers do that enough already.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 12:17:54 PM
I'm not a huge waters fan you guys are literally the only people who think he sucks. Every analyst out there says he is solid and the stats back it up. You are the definition of stupid.

who said he sucks?
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Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on October 18, 2014, 12:34:29 PM
And he follows up that great drive with...that.  Does he know throwing the ball away is an option? 
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 12:34:57 PM
another nice drive by waters
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Post by: mocat on October 18, 2014, 12:35:00 PM
He sucks under pressure, that's pretty well established.  He also makes some very good throws sometimes
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 12:35:41 PM
I wish he was better
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 12:36:15 PM
Our offensive line should be able to handle a 4 man rush. They just didn't bail Waters out this time.
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 12:39:01 PM
hunnicutt just bailed waters out
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 12:43:34 PM
hunnicutt just bailed waters out

Yep.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 12:44:58 PM
Less Robinson more Jones, please.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 18, 2014, 12:50:12 PM
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.

Some of you powertards don't understand that
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 12:51:50 PM
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.

Some of you powertards don't understand that

We've never had a player who you didn't think sucked so your opinion means absolutely nothing. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 12:53:27 PM
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2014, 12:55:40 PM
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.

Some of you powertards don't understand that
it occurred to me today that waters is very landry jones-esque.  pretty effective qb, but an unconfident loser nonetheless.

but he's our unconfident loser and damnit if i don't love him and root for him very hard.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 12:56:23 PM
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?

We've won 42 in a row in this situation.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 12:57:12 PM
Pretty sobering analysis, dlew12
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Post by: DQ12 on October 18, 2014, 12:58:45 PM
Pretty sobering analysis, dlew12
meh. being qb and facing a blitz would be very scary.  you have to be pretty courageous to not be an unconfident loser in that situation, really. 

and landry jones was actually pretty good!  just terrified 100% of the time, like our guy Jake is. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 18, 2014, 12:59:00 PM
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?

We've won 42 in a row in this situation.

I had a great fear of this streak being broken before the game. So now that we actually have the lead my fear is overwhelming.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:00:14 PM
Waters is ridiculously patient once he's in the pocket. My problem is that he should recognize the pressures better presnap and get rid of the ball.
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:00:28 PM
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?

We've won 42 in a row in this situation.

I had a great fear of this streak being broken before the game. So now that we actually have the lead my fear is overwhelming.

yeah, i think it's about to be broken (but maybe not!)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 01:04:18 PM
Long run!
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:04:47 PM
Long run!

With a "juke move"!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:06:23 PM
Waters can have a nice game overall and still be an unconfident loser.

Some of you powertards don't understand that
Funny, that kinda statement seems like it would only come from a loser.
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Post by: Muldoon on October 18, 2014, 01:06:42 PM
Welp,  we're all about to get a new perspective on Jake's performance as our qhatz QB.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:07:41 PM
Long run!

With a "juke move"!
rough ridin' line had to bail him out again.
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:09:42 PM
good job getting injured jake you dumbass
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Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:10:28 PM
that was pass interference imo
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:10:48 PM
good job getting injured jake you dumbass

His shoulder just couldn't bail him out. Or his WR. He needs to remember Lockett and Sexton are the bailout guys.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:11:04 PM
Burton :shakesfist:
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Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 01:11:21 PM
Thank God McCrane isn't a loser like Jack.
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 01:11:52 PM
that was pass interference imo

Imo your imo is correct
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Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2014, 01:13:04 PM
Hope he is ok.  Wish he would slide.
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:13:20 PM
that was pass interference imo

Imo your imo is correct

The officials are certainly allowing a lot of contact by the secondary today. OU is living by this really.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:18:12 PM
Hope he is ok.  Wish he would slide.
Hopefully his sorry ass is out.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: puniraptor on October 18, 2014, 01:18:41 PM
Dust off the 2011 ck playbook for hubes
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:19:18 PM
Also, isn't Snyder something like 165-5 with a lead at half?

We've won 42 in a row in this situation.

I had a great fear of this streak being broken before the game. So now that we actually have the lead my fear is overwhelming.

we're going to need a miracle to keep this streak going
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:21:47 PM
crap. He's back.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:22:33 PM
the cats are running wild this half
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:23:27 PM
guys, we're about to be in the midst of another fanning meltdown
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:24:31 PM
Bailout after bailout.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:24:49 PM
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on October 18, 2014, 01:26:02 PM
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:

Paint him black
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 01:26:44 PM
"Both quarterbacks are playing confident"....
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 18, 2014, 01:27:21 PM
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:

Paint him black

that's our #life!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 01:28:11 PM
Let's keep not kicking it out of the endzone.....
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:32:22 PM
it feels like they're going to score a TD every time they have the ball
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:32:41 PM
OMG!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 18, 2014, 01:33:24 PM
That's what we rough ridin' needed! Let them beat themselves!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2014, 01:34:08 PM
Even Carson Coffman knew which way to turn to hand the ball off
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:36:22 PM
This rough ridin' loser! :curse:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:37:11 PM
Sexton.

(https://www.mint.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/credit-union-bailout.jpg)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:38:07 PM
He threw it too hard and it mumped us.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:38:14 PM
wtf was that throw?  huge missed opportunity
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 01:39:22 PM
wtf was that throw?  huge missed opportunity

Waters should know what happens when he throws to guys not names Sexton or Lockett.

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2.bp.blogspot.com%2F_EnQkWGlwm7M%2FRtJIqPOVieI%2FAAAAAAAAASA%2FZP6zwrs9J6Y%2Fs200%2Fnobailouts.gif&hash=3d3efbf82e76e7e642903e24ddab574d40e6b7cf)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2014, 01:39:28 PM
If he had the good sense to slide maybe bill would give him more running plays
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 01:40:29 PM
Miscues killed that drive  :frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: puniraptor on October 18, 2014, 01:41:23 PM
Something is happening in here.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:41:56 PM
We need Huebner to Tonya Harding this dumbass.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:46:03 PM
if we lose this game, it's on jake for not getting any points on that last drive
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 18, 2014, 01:47:51 PM
No crap! Not only that, but he's spread his ebola to the defense. JFC!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Pete on October 18, 2014, 01:51:55 PM
Why don't we have Waters throw passes like Knight does?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 01:54:13 PM
Very interesting idea
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Tobias on October 18, 2014, 01:55:02 PM
pete is a true "idea man"
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2014, 01:57:17 PM
Why don't we have Waters throw passes like Knight does?
Because you gave mike the road map and now they are doubling lockett.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 01:58:57 PM
i don't like this
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: #LIFE on October 18, 2014, 01:59:33 PM
The anti-Reggie Miller #LosingTime
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 18, 2014, 02:01:46 PM
that's game
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 02:02:56 PM
H3o :frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Tobias on October 18, 2014, 02:03:38 PM
i still think we can get to eight wins
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2014, 02:04:39 PM
Game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 02:05:21 PM
8 seems obtainable
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on October 18, 2014, 02:14:34 PM
Waters bailed out by Hunnicut.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Muldoon on October 18, 2014, 02:20:42 PM
Timeout coming off a timeout.   :ROFL:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on October 18, 2014, 02:24:49 PM
Decided schematic advantage.

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Hossman on October 18, 2014, 02:27:55 PM
Just eat a bag of dicks!  Waters is a tough winner.   (yes...it is the alcohol talking)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on October 18, 2014, 02:28:47 PM
Wacky was too hard on jake in this thread IMO.  Swung the pendulum back to far.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 18, 2014, 02:29:11 PM
Waters was a stud (again) today!

 :lynchmob:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on October 18, 2014, 02:29:30 PM
TO ALL YOU WATERS HATERS; EAT A SHITSTICK!!!  THAT INCLUDES #crap(LIFE) AND KIMMY.  :Woot:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: J on October 18, 2014, 02:30:54 PM
ALL HE DOES IS WIN YOU SHITCOCKERS

LICK ON MY BUNGHOLE FUCKERS
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: puniraptor on October 18, 2014, 02:31:46 PM
:lol: :party:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on October 18, 2014, 02:33:33 PM
Pretty big blow to the waters haters today

Pick yourselves up and get dusted off, there is another game week for him to completely suck in
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on October 18, 2014, 02:37:21 PM
If only KSU didn't miss those field goals against Auburn....

eff....
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on October 18, 2014, 03:46:33 PM
ALL HE DOES IS WIN YOU SHITCOCKERS

LICK ON MY BUNGHOLE FUCKERS
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on October 18, 2014, 03:54:31 PM
i was pissed when I saw this thread gained 5 pages. I was wrong. Great read, would read again.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 18, 2014, 03:57:45 PM
i was pissed when I saw this thread gained 5 pages. I was wrong. Great read, would read again.

Yes. He may be bailedout Jake, but he's our bailedout Jake!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 19, 2014, 12:48:58 AM
Hunnicutt bailed Jake out. Jake will owe his legacy to him.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 19, 2014, 07:50:30 AM
Hunnicut did waters a disservice. Waters was going to march the team straight down the field for the win.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: hatingfrancisco on October 19, 2014, 09:01:58 AM
Too bad the Team Waters thread is /closed.  I would throw one of these :gocho: right about here.

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2014, 10:12:03 AM
Waters now is 3rd in the league in QBR.
2nd in the league in QB rating.
1st in QB rush yards and QB rush TDs.

Not always pretty, but pretty damn good.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2014, 10:17:16 AM
Here is a graphic showing K-State's offense so far this season:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-h-6Cv4BIluU%2FT3mgtfoAz8I%2FAAAAAAAABAM%2FUYx5ZycUmic%2Fs400%2Fbailing%2Bout%2Ba%2Bboat.jpg&hash=8d4803374fddefc07ee78d0edf38265c92d11dd6)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: hjfklmor on October 19, 2014, 10:18:53 AM
_FAN is on a warpath :love:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: j-dub on October 19, 2014, 10:30:55 AM
i love when _FAN decides it's time to start outing idiots
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Frankenklein on October 19, 2014, 11:01:15 AM
Louth Holthz juth Gafh thJake a helmeth thicker  :excited:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on October 19, 2014, 11:03:42 AM
He's going to throw all over the horns this week so the padding of stats should continue.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Pete on October 19, 2014, 11:04:01 AM

Louth Holthz juth Gafh thJake a helmeth thicker  :excited:

SAW THAT, WATH AWETHOME!!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on October 19, 2014, 11:06:49 AM
we didn't win because we could throw.  we won because we could run, at least enough (and ou can't kick field goals).
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bshea85 on October 19, 2014, 11:08:26 AM
Here is a graphic showing K-State's offense so far this season:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-h-6Cv4BIluU%2FT3mgtfoAz8I%2FAAAAAAAABAM%2FUYx5ZycUmic%2Fs400%2Fbailing%2Bout%2Ba%2Bboat.jpg&hash=8d4803374fddefc07ee78d0edf38265c92d11dd6)

If that is the case, and this is the only ship that we have.  Then,....

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f8be064c9b580d827be5caf3e6d99947/tumblr_inline_mz1zknV9sh1rs4nv6.gif)

'cause this ship keeps winning games and Waters will get us there.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 19, 2014, 11:09:46 AM
Bailout.com
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bshea85 on October 19, 2014, 11:12:07 AM
Bailout.com

DO NOT GO.  Weird Porn site.  Gave me a virus.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2014, 11:46:07 AM
we didn't win because we could throw.  we won because we could run, at least enough (and ou can't kick field goals).

We won because we did both well. It was a pretty efficient offensive day. 7 YPP and .56 PPP is really good.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on October 19, 2014, 11:48:47 AM
we didn't win because we could throw.  we won because we could run, at least enough (and ou can't kick field goals).

We won because we did both well. It was a pretty efficient offensive day. 7 YPP and .56 PPP is really good.

this is true.  however we threw for like 300+ yds last year and lost.  running the football is beyond important for this offense and Jake.  Jake's run(s) were far more impressive than anything he threw.  and were the reason, imo, that our throwing (while not overwhelming) was effective.  we don't run (effectively) and OU is in a different set on defense on that 3rd and 3 at the end of the game. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2014, 12:04:58 PM
this is true.  however we threw for like 300+ yds last year and lost.  running the football is beyond important for this offense and Jake.  Jake's run(s) were far more impressive than anything he threw.  and were the reason, imo, that our throwing (while not overwhelming) was effective.  we don't run (effectively) and OU is in a different set on defense on that 3rd and 3 at the end of the game. 

Great point. Balanced offense is a key and we got good games by both backs. Plus Waters ran well, especially when you take out the sacks. And he's got to get better at throwing the ball away and not being so patient in the pocket that he gives those up repeatedly. Plus recognizing blitzes presnap or that teams are going to bait him into checks and bring it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 19, 2014, 12:20:50 PM
Here is a graphic showing K-State's offense so far this season:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-h-6Cv4BIluU%2FT3mgtfoAz8I%2FAAAAAAAABAM%2FUYx5ZycUmic%2Fs400%2Fbailing%2Bout%2Ba%2Bboat.jpg&hash=8d4803374fddefc07ee78d0edf38265c92d11dd6)

If that is the case, and this is the only ship that we have.  Then,....

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f8be064c9b580d827be5caf3e6d99947/tumblr_inline_mz1zknV9sh1rs4nv6.gif)

'cause this ship keeps winning games and Waters will get us there.

I think _FAN's picture was implying that everyone is bailing water(s) out.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 19, 2014, 12:32:38 PM
Waters really got bailed out when he zipped that pass in a window to lockett in the end zone.  :frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 19, 2014, 12:37:28 PM
I don't think anyone is bailing out waters.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 19, 2014, 12:39:43 PM
Waters really got bailed out when he zipped that pass in a window to lockett in the end zone.  :frown:

Yeah. Made me hate him and wish for him to fail more than ever...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 19, 2014, 12:40:04 PM
Fan is trolling the guys who keep saying Waters is being bailed out. And I love it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bshea85 on October 19, 2014, 01:18:01 PM
Here is a graphic showing K-State's offense so far this season:

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F-h-6Cv4BIluU%2FT3mgtfoAz8I%2FAAAAAAAABAM%2FUYx5ZycUmic%2Fs400%2Fbailing%2Bout%2Ba%2Bboat.jpg&hash=8d4803374fddefc07ee78d0edf38265c92d11dd6)

If that is the case, and this is the only ship that we have.  Then,....

(https://31.media.tumblr.com/f8be064c9b580d827be5caf3e6d99947/tumblr_inline_mz1zknV9sh1rs4nv6.gif)

'cause this ship keeps winning games and Waters will get us there.

I think _FAN's picture was implying that everyone is bailing water(s) out.

Wow, I didn't even catch that.  That's like on a whole other level, man.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2014, 01:26:21 PM
Wow, I didn't even catch that.  That's like on a whole other level, man.

Yeah, my man Stevesie knows what's up. Waters might as well be Ford, GM, and Chrysler combined.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: treysolid on October 19, 2014, 01:33:12 PM
Wow, I didn't even catch that.  That's like on a whole other level, man.

Yeah, my man Stevesie knows what's up. Waters might as well be Ford, GM, and Chrysler combined.

Ford didn't accept bailout money. Just sayin'. HERIQ.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 19, 2014, 01:38:17 PM
Wow, I didn't even catch that.  That's like on a whole other level, man.

Yeah, my man Stevesie knows what's up. Waters might as well be Ford, GM, and Chrysler combined.

Ford didn't accept bailout money. Just sayin'. HERIQ.

Thanks, point remains.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: jc_jax on October 19, 2014, 07:56:00 PM
Should we talk about Waters' sketti-shoulder?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MadCat on October 19, 2014, 08:33:11 PM
Should we talk about Waters' sketti-shoulder?
hernia
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on October 19, 2014, 09:00:51 PM
Should we talk about Waters' sketti-shoulder?
Bill has ran the horns out of BSFS before with an unknown backup QB, I bet he can do it again.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2014, 10:49:06 PM
How do we get this loser out of the game? :curse:

Paint him black

I lolled.

This is pretty nuanced, at least in my head it is
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 19, 2014, 10:56:46 PM
_FAN needs to bailout bshea and mixberrycrunch, man they are awful posters
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on October 19, 2014, 11:42:23 PM
I still don't like Jake, as a person.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on October 20, 2014, 12:20:54 AM
Really? You don't know him, right?

I still don't like Jake, as a person.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on October 20, 2014, 12:31:33 AM
Really? You don't know him, right?

I still don't like Jake, as a person.

Put your post below the quote you rough ridin' downgrade.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on October 20, 2014, 01:02:26 AM
eff off

Really? You don't know him, right?

I still don't like Jake, as a person.

Put your post below the quote you rough ridin' downgrade.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: felix rex on October 20, 2014, 06:42:31 AM
And he's got to get better at throwing the ball away and not being so patient in the pocket that he gives those up repeatedly.

This is like saying Mrs Rex patiently takes 10 minutes to make her order every rough ridin' time we go to a coffee shop.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kst8cat on October 20, 2014, 08:36:16 AM
I still don't like Jake, as a person.

LOL, this is what you are reduced to. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: GoodForAnother on October 20, 2014, 09:11:03 AM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on October 20, 2014, 10:10:14 AM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Frankenklein on October 20, 2014, 05:37:53 PM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.
His bandwagon is about to get really full!!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2014, 05:42:46 PM
Thank god that dork has some prime time bailer outters.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2014, 06:09:15 PM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.

Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2014, 06:18:24 PM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.

Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.
I'd take a big 12 title.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on October 20, 2014, 06:34:48 PM
he's my guy, fwiw.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Emo EMAW on October 20, 2014, 07:18:54 PM
Will he get NFL looks?


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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 20, 2014, 07:39:40 PM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.

Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.

I'd say 9-3 with this schedule puts him in the conversation. 10-3 with a nice bowl win and he's definitely worth mentioning. CFB playoff puts him in the conversion for best Snyder QB ever.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 20, 2014, 07:39:59 PM
Will he get NFL looks?


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I think he's too short, but he'll end up at some camp for a look.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: stunted on October 20, 2014, 08:40:41 PM
Besides after the shoulder thing I don't remember Jake throwing a single bad pass during the ou game. Lockett dropped early, Burton wasn't looking but the pass was in the area, Sexton almost with the 1 hander, and Cook's drop. He is on fire.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2014, 08:44:11 PM
Besides after the shoulder thing I don't remember Jake throwing a single bad pass during the ou game. Lockett dropped early, Burton wasn't looking but the pass was in the area, Sexton almost with the 1 hander, and Cook's drop. He is on fire.
He is dinking and dunking with the best of them.
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Post by: Panjandrum on October 20, 2014, 09:12:52 PM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.

Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.

I'd say 9-3 with this schedule puts him in the conversation. 10-3 with a nice bowl win and he's definitely worth mentioning. CFB playoff puts him in the conversion for best Snyder QB ever.

If he were to go 10-2, win the Big 12, and then beat ND in the Cotton Bowl, he's up there with Bishop and Ell, IMO.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 20, 2014, 09:20:33 PM
Klein and Bishop were Heisman finalists, and on teams on top of the rankings. Jake is not yet up with those 2. He can be, but not yet.
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Post by: michigancat on October 20, 2014, 09:41:00 PM
If anything, this shows how ridiculously overrated Collin Klein was. How on earth was he a Heisman finalist?
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Post by: wetwillie on October 20, 2014, 09:43:52 PM
If anything, this shows how ridiculously overrated Collin Klein was. How on earth was he a Heisman finalist?
I think it was because he scored lots of touchdowns and ran for lots of yards
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Post by: michigancat on October 20, 2014, 09:46:17 PM
If anything, this shows how ridiculously overrated Collin Klein was. How on earth was he a Heisman finalist?
I think it was because he scored lots of touchdowns and ran for lots of yards

Super low YPC
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 20, 2014, 10:01:21 PM
getting awful kRusty in here......
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Post by: michigancat on October 20, 2014, 10:05:49 PM
getting awful kRusty in here......

Well this season Waters is basically outperforming Klein's senior season except Klein didn't have a difficult OOC game. Sorry, the numbers from Panj don't lie.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2014, 10:18:43 PM
I don't care if it's adolf hitler out there zipping passes downfield, I just want to win football games

As it stands, Jake is on pace to have the best season for total offense in KSU history.

If he hovers around 300 a game, which is where he is now, and we get that thirteenth bowl game, he will crush all previous records. No KSU QB has ever gone over 3600 yards (including bowls), and the years we had a QB go over 3500 were 98, 03, and 12.

Jake is on pace for 3900.  Just saying.

Good numbers, he's having a good to great season but even if he eclipses 4000 yards this season the only way he even is considered one of our all-time elite QBs is if we go to the CFP.

I'd say 9-3 with this schedule puts him in the conversation. 10-3 with a nice bowl win and he's definitely worth mentioning. CFB playoff puts him in the conversion for best Snyder QB ever.

If he were to go 10-2, win the Big 12, and then beat ND in the Cotton Bowl, he's up there with Bishop and Ell, IMO.

I'll agree to disagree with all of this. If you put Bish, Ell, or Collin on last years team, there is no QB carousel and the team doesn't lose 5 games. We are just as good, if not better this season with those guys. If he wins the Big 12 he will have a season similar to the other three, I don't think he's a better college qb than any of those guys. For me his ceiling is the best of the next group that has Waters, Beasley, and May.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on October 20, 2014, 10:43:31 PM
My issue with Waters is that his talent leaves something to be desired no matter how well he plays. It is weird.
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 20, 2014, 11:27:22 PM
My issue with Waters is that his talent leaves something to be desired no matter how well he plays. It is weird.

It's because he doesn't do anything exceptionally. He's a good, not great, passing QB, his pocket presence is okay at best, he is still a poor runner but he has done a great job of learning the reads so he's an effective runner. He has improved a great deal with ball security. Despite all of this he's winning and making great plays while doing so.
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Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on October 20, 2014, 11:38:26 PM
I've been #TeamWaters since day 1. Feels good to be vindicated.
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Post by: bones129 on October 20, 2014, 11:53:45 PM
My issue with Waters is that his talent leaves something to be desired no matter how well he plays. It is weird.

It's because he doesn't do anything exceptionally. He's a good, not great, passing QB, his pocket presence is okay at best, he is still a poor runner but he has done a great job of learning the reads so he's an effective runner. He has improved a great deal with ball security. Despite all of this he's winning and making great plays while doing so.

Some good points here, the most important of which is that Jake is winning.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on October 21, 2014, 01:52:37 AM
Pretty much echoing what everyone is saying, but I think he'll end up being the bottom of the tier one K-State Qbs/top of the tier 2 K-State QBs. If we win the Big 12, how is he not in the conversation with the rest of the tier 1 guys?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: stunted on October 21, 2014, 01:57:12 AM
Besides after the shoulder thing I don't remember Jake throwing a single bad pass during the ou game. Lockett dropped early, Burton wasn't looking but the pass was in the area, Sexton almost with the 1 hander, and Cook's drop. He is on fire.
He is dinking and dunking with the best of them.

Great, that was his weakness last year.

It's unfortunate the defense is so inconsistent this year.

He should be considered the best if we win the big 12. None of the other guys were exceptional at everything either, and having more yards gives him the edge.
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Post by: mocat on October 21, 2014, 06:37:09 AM
Klein was exceptional at being a plow horse and getting first downs and touchdowns and using the entire play clock and winning the big 12
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Post by: catzacker on October 21, 2014, 06:40:08 AM
getting awful kRusty in here......

Well this season Waters is basically outperforming Klein's senior season except Klein didn't have a difficult OOC game. Sorry, the numbers from Panj don't lie.

All Jake needs is 39 more TD's this year and 3 more Int's to match CK's JR and SR yr production.  Klein had more rushing TD's in a two year period than Jake has total TD's (as it sits right now, 10 more).   And then also lead his team to a big 12 title. 
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Post by: Asteriskhead on October 21, 2014, 07:26:49 AM
Klein loves god better than Jake, so god made him physically better.
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Post by: slobber on October 21, 2014, 07:52:04 AM
Jake is not going to make any amazing runs like El or Michael. He is never going to truck someone like Collin. He has begun to read the defense and the running lanes better to pick up large chunks running the ball. MiR has it right.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on October 21, 2014, 07:52:31 AM

Klein loves god better than Jake, so god made him physically better.
Plus this God component.


Gonna win 'em all!
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Post by: CATILLAC on October 21, 2014, 08:02:43 AM
IMO The big 12 is a toss up this year, if Jake can win out I will be highly impressed and would have to bump his ranking up as a wildcat signal caller. As it currently stands He reminds me alot of Alex Smith he's decent game manager but not exceptional at anything really, and like smith if pressured he panics.
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Post by: felix rex on October 21, 2014, 08:12:21 AM
I don't think I'll ever forgive him for making us a constant NDSU talking point.
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Post by: TownieCat on October 21, 2014, 08:18:02 AM
Jake is not going to make any amazing runs like El or Michael. He is never going to truck someone like Collin. He has begun to read the defense and the running lanes better to pick up large chunks running the ball. MiR has it right.


Gonna win 'em all!

I don't get the perception that he is not a good runner. Jake has broken a 50+ yard run in each of the last two games. His 40 time is around 4.6 which is fast for a QB.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on October 21, 2014, 08:58:04 AM
I'll agree to disagree with all of this. If you put Bish, Ell, or Collin on last years team, there is no QB carousel and the team doesn't lose 5 games. We are just as good, if not better this season with those guys. If he wins the Big 12 he will have a season similar to the other three, I don't think he's a better college qb than any of those guys. For me his ceiling is the best of the next group that has Waters, Beasley, and May.

I have no issue with disagreement.  I'd consider Jake a "sneaky good" QB for all of the reasons you mentioned in another post.

Regarding the QB carousel last year, I think that was more of a function of two things: First, Jake turned the ball over a ton the first few games, and that's going to get you yanked, and two, I think everyone realized we were attempting Marc Dunn Pt. 2, and that didn't fit any model that Snyder realistically liked.

Snyder has had success with two types of QB's: Exceptional runners that can throw fairly well, and gigantic battering rams that hammer you mercilessly with the QB run game that can throw a little bit.  Either we have a very dynamic QB run game (Bishop, Ell, and Sams to a certain degree), or we have battering rams (Beasley, Klein).  You even see this dichotomy in the kinds of kids we've recruited to play QB.  For example, in the Klein mold, we have Hubener, Ertz, and now this Laird kid.  Big, tall kids  that have funky throwing motions, run upright, and ram themselves into the line.  Then, in the Ell mold, you had Sams and now Delton.  Guys that are dynamic on the ground, but did (and will) require significant investment in the passing game because, while they have good arms, they are not accomplished or polished passers.

I think Snyder knows how to use those kinds of guys.  He doesn't know how to use Jake, which made his recruitment all that more bizarre, and why it's taken this long to figure out exactly what we want to do with him.  Had we taken Nick Marshall, and somehow found a way to keep Sams, we probably could have ridden the same type of offensive scheme from Marshall, to Sams as a bridge, and then to Delton.  Now, by deviating, we're going to do an about face on the offense again next year and go back to the lumbering QB run game because that's what we have on the bench for the foreseeable future.
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Post by: pissclams on October 21, 2014, 09:10:42 AM
seems pretty dumb to think that snyder doesn't know how to use waters
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2014, 09:12:07 AM
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.
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Post by: michigancat on October 21, 2014, 09:14:26 AM
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.

Beasley had an amazing pair of seasons, too.
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Post by: CHONGS on October 21, 2014, 09:14:43 AM
seems pretty dumb to think that snyder doesn't know how to use waters
Gonna agree with the clams here.  In fact, I think Waters is getting almost every ounce of potential production squeezed from him by Snyder.   I don't think Waters would be nearly as successful on any other Big 12 team.
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Post by: Panjandrum on October 21, 2014, 09:15:20 AM
seems pretty dumb to think that snyder doesn't know how to use waters

He does now.  I should have changed the wording there.

He stopped doing the speed option for the most part, cranked down the QB Power Leads.  We know what works for him now and what really doesn't.

It was pretty clear that we didn't really know what we wanted to do with him up until the WVU game last year.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 21, 2014, 09:21:27 AM
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.

Beasley had an amazing pair of seasons, too.

This is an extremely fair point when comparing Waters to those guys. I'm saying that IF Waters gets K-State to the CFB playoff he'll be remembered up with those guys.
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Post by: puniraptor on October 21, 2014, 09:27:19 AM
Klein was a great quarterback based almost solely on his massive number of hit points
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2014, 09:33:41 AM
A lot of Waters haterz on here already freaking out where he'll leave his legacy. They might faint if he made a playoff run.
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Post by: slobber on October 21, 2014, 09:35:29 AM

Jake is not going to make any amazing runs like El or Michael. He is never going to truck someone like Collin. He has begun to read the defense and the running lanes better to pick up large chunks running the ball. MiR has it right.


Gonna win 'em all!

I don't get the perception that he is not a good runner. Jake has broken a 50+ yard run in each of the last two games. His 40 time is around 4.6 which is fast for a QB.
Jake is not an electrifying runner. He made a good/great read in that play and blew it up for 50 yards. I am referring to some if the crazy runs that Ell made or the battering ram runs that Klein made. Not saying Jake can't run, it is just the style of the run. Make sense?


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 21, 2014, 09:40:25 AM
I stand by my overarching evaluation of Jake.

Not always pretty, but pretty damn good.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2014, 09:54:46 AM
I stand by my overarching evaluation of Jake.

Not always pretty, but pretty damn good.

pretty much
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on October 21, 2014, 09:59:02 AM
Jake can't pass Klein, Bishop, or Ell, because all of those guys had 2 terrific seasons. We finished the regular season 7-5 last year.

Beasley had an amazing pair of seasons, too.

This is an extremely fair point when comparing Waters to those guys. I'm saying that IF Waters gets K-State to the CFB playoff he'll be remembered up with those guys.

I will remember Jake fondly, barring a complete collapse this year. Getting into the CFB playoff would make me think of him as our 4th best QB. Getting to the title game would make me think of him as the best. I'd have to rank him 5th at best if we don't make the playoff, though. Probably 6th.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 21, 2014, 10:01:05 AM
I stand by my overarching evaluation of Jake.

Not always pretty, but pretty damn good.

pretty much

He's not a fluid athlete, but he's got adequate speed and runs effectively.

He doesn't always throw a pretty ball, but he's a very effective thrower.

He's got that Ioway residue.

I do think he's got as good a grasp on Snyder's offense as any K-State QB, and probably has the freedom to check more than about anyone else.

Really, if there was a poster child for a KSTATE0 QB, it would probably be Waters.

As long as he leads an efficient offense and we're winning games its all good to me.
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Post by: puniraptor on October 21, 2014, 10:06:08 AM
fan pretty much said it perfectly: a pretty dang good quarterback who smells kind of bad.
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Post by: everyone shut up on October 21, 2014, 11:23:17 AM
I don't think I'll ever forgive him for making us a constant NDSU talking point.
the cats defense deserves plenty of blame as well
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Post by: Bookcat on October 21, 2014, 11:42:41 AM
I don't think I'll ever forgive him for making us a constant NDSU talking point.
the cats defense deserves plenty of blame as well

Sams was out there too...but he skipped town.
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Post by: TownieCat on October 21, 2014, 12:11:13 PM
I'm glad that we're fortunate enough to call a stud like Jake Waters only the 5th or 6th best QB of the past 25 years.  :Carl:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2014, 12:17:43 PM
1. Bishop
2. Ell
3. Klein
4/5. Beasley/Waters
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Post by: OK_Cat on October 21, 2014, 12:20:12 PM
Freeman is #1, dumbass fanning.
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Post by: meow meow on October 21, 2014, 12:32:41 PM
Freeman is #1, dumbass fanning.

 :dubious:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2014, 12:33:42 PM
 :facepalm:
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Post by: Skipper44 on October 21, 2014, 12:51:24 PM
Jake is a rich man's Matt Miller - both can run and throw at average to above average level and Jake is a little faster and maybe has a slightly stronger arm.  Miller went 9-2 as a senior, going 1-2 vs the top 3 teams in conference by beating #9 KU and losing to #5 CU and #1 NU.  I can totally see Jake matching that performance by with the OU win = Miller's KU win and losses to TCU and BU.

Miller is in the middle my Cat QB Top 10 and that is where I would guess Jake ends up.  If this season plays out like I think it will, I would put Jake right above Miller as he would of done it with inferior WRs and against a slightly tougher schedule. 

Guys that could carry a team
1. Bishop
2. Ell
3. CK

Gamest of Gamemanagers
4. Beasley
5. Miller

1-D Pocket Passers
6. May
7. Freems
8. Kavs

Because I want to have Top 10
9.  GG
10. CCQ

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Gooch on October 21, 2014, 01:02:09 PM
:lol: CCQ was way better than GG
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 21, 2014, 01:03:10 PM
Jake is a rich man's Matt Miller - both can run and throw at average to above average level and Jake is a little faster and maybe has a slightly stronger arm.  Miller went 9-2 as a senior, going 1-2 vs the top 3 teams in conference by beating #9 KU and losing to #5 CU and #1 NU.  I can totally see Jake matching that performance by with the OU win = Miller's KU win and losses to TCU and BU.

Miller is in the middle my Cat QB Top 10 and that is where I would guess Jake ends up.  If this season plays out like I think it will, I would put Jake right above Miller as he would of done it with inferior WRs and against a slightly tougher schedule. 

Guys that could carry a team
1. Bishop
2. Ell
3. CK

Gamest of Gamemanagers
4. Beasley
5. Miller

1-D Pocket Passers
6. May
7. Freems
8. Kavs

Because I want to have Top 10
9.  GG
10. CCQ



That's a great comparo and looks about right.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on October 21, 2014, 01:03:46 PM
Freeman
Klein

Everybody else
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Post by: hatingfrancisco on October 21, 2014, 01:06:53 PM
Jake is a top 5 all time QB talent.  His first full season as the defacto starting QB and he is putting up all-time numbers.





Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 21, 2014, 01:08:31 PM
Freeman
Klein

Everybody else
You dumb!
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Post by: pissclams on October 21, 2014, 01:14:30 PM
you fuckers will rue the day that jake waters plays his last game in a cat uniform
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Post by: Emo EMAW on October 21, 2014, 01:20:58 PM
Someone compare Waters to Reesing.
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Post by: hatingfrancisco on October 21, 2014, 02:46:15 PM
Someone compare Waters to Reesing.

That's almost like comparing Waters to Wine.
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Post by: Skipper44 on October 21, 2014, 02:47:36 PM
:lol: CCQ was way better than GG
not at playing football
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Post by: meow meow on October 21, 2014, 02:51:05 PM
Someone compare Waters to Reesing.

That's almost like comparing Waters to Wine.

well done
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Post by: MadCat on October 21, 2014, 04:03:34 PM
GG was the Venus de Milo of QBs
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Post by: Skipper44 on October 21, 2014, 04:12:06 PM
Someone compare Waters to Reesing.

That's almost like comparing Waters to Wine.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.fooducate.com%2Fproducts%2Fimages%2F180x180%2F51214280-575C-FAA1-4B35-94D26130B8C6-5542.jpeg&hash=60ac68b103969f2419c55fbff4e0faed6d23811a) vs (https://www.finewineandgoodspirits.com/static/images/btl/prod/633246842135013542_prod.jpg)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on October 22, 2014, 12:23:25 AM
Jake is a top 5 all time QB talent.  His first full season as the defacto starting QB and he is putting up all-time numbers.

I'm willing to bet advanced metrics would shoot all kinds of holes in the weight of those all time numbers. I'm sure his yards per snap are miles behind Bish and Ell's jr and sr seasons. Our eyes aren't lying. He gets a great deal more snaps because of the offenses, the change in the play clock, and frankly we don't really blow teams out anymore. There were countless games where those other guys would play one drive in the 3rd quarter.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 22, 2014, 09:30:41 AM
That's a great point MIR. I will say tho, the playing field has evened out a bit more from back in the DOD1. Sun belt teams are playing with power 5 conference teams and FCS teams are hanging in there too. Don't forget Waters had to share time last year too, so his stats might be hurting a bit from that as well. However, we did have the first game, Utep, and TT for Waters to sit. I think it evens out a bit if you throw in all those factors.
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Post by: Emo EMAW on October 22, 2014, 10:05:49 AM
Sometimes the eye test is all it takes.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on October 24, 2014, 02:06:12 PM
The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.
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Post by: TownieCat on October 24, 2014, 02:21:32 PM
The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.

Similar size and tangible skills.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 24, 2014, 02:22:30 PM
The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.

Similar size and tangible skills.
Yup!
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Post by: Frankenklein on October 24, 2014, 04:27:56 PM
The Texas DC just compared Waters to Russel Wilson.

Similar size and tangible skills.
Yup!
Every time i watch Wilson I'm reminded of Waters
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Post by: MixBerryCrunch on October 24, 2014, 07:21:11 PM
Please don't ever compare Jake to Bishop or Ell.  Probably shouldn't compare him to Klein either.  Beasley is really the only comparison that should be getting thrown around.
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Post by: Panjandrum on October 24, 2014, 11:24:33 PM
Just because it was thrown around, here are some stats:

2014 Jake
Pass: 108/166, 65.1%, 8.6 YPA, 9 TD 3 INT, 151.7
Rush: 79/371, 4.7 YPR, 7 TD

2013 Jake
Pass: 159/260, 61.2%, 9.5 YPA, 18 TD 9 INT, 156.8
Rush: 118/312, 2.6 YPR, 6 TD

2012 Collin
Pass: 197/304, 64.8%, 8.7 YPA, 16 TD 9 INT, 149.2
Rush: 207/920, 4.4 YPR, 23 TD

2011 Collin
Pass: 161/281, 57.3%, 6.8 YPA, 13 TD 6 INT, 125.6
Rush: 317/1141, 3.6 YPR, 27 TD

2003 Ell
Pass: 152/294, 51.7%, 8.7 YPA, 24 TD 12 INT, 143.2
Rush: 227/975, 4.3 YPR, 15 TD

2002 Ell
Pass: 91/175, 52%, 9.0 YPA, 7 TD 4 INT, 136.5
Rush: 202/1032, 5.1 YPR, 16 TD

2000 Beas
Pass: 156/313, 49.8%, 8.4 YPA, 17 TD 10 INT, 132.1
Rush: 149/499, 3.3 YPR, 17 TD

1999 Beas
Pass: 90/203, 44.3%, 8.9 YPA, 14 TD 7 INT, 134.9
Rush: 105/227, 2.2 YPR, 8 TD

1998 Bishop
Pass: 164/295, 55.6%, 9.6 YPA, 23 TD 5 INT, 158.9
Rush: 177/748, 4.2 YPR, 14 TD

1997 Bishop
Pass: 80/185, 43.2%, 8.4 YPA, 13 TD 8 INT, 128.5
Rush: 147/566, 3.9 YPR, 9 TD
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on October 24, 2014, 11:30:30 PM
Racism kept Bishop from winning the Heisman
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Post by: Stevesie60 on October 25, 2014, 03:27:19 AM
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.
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Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2014, 06:56:09 AM
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.
How did we give '11 klein more than 300 carries? Holy crap that is absurd.
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Post by: Frankenklein on October 25, 2014, 08:09:10 AM
They are all pretty much interchangeable...System Quarterbacks
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Post by: catzacker on October 25, 2014, 09:06:54 AM
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.

because we have to give Jones the ball close does not make Collin and Jake more comparable.

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Post by: Cartierfor3 on October 25, 2014, 10:37:44 AM
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.
How did we give '11 klein more than 300 carries? Holy crap that is absurd.

100 of them were vs. A&M
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Post by: Breakfast on October 25, 2014, 11:49:25 AM
Why won't he throw the rough ridin' ball away???  :curse: :curse:
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Post by: 8manpick on October 25, 2014, 11:49:31 AM
Bump?
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Post by: wetwillie on October 25, 2014, 11:57:15 AM
He's clearly broken from OU game.
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Post by: Belvis Noland on October 25, 2014, 12:18:36 PM
Lockett was wide open.  Aside from that, waters has been total dog crap today.  Injured, I guess. 
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Post by: Skipper44 on October 25, 2014, 12:20:09 PM
very fortunate the safety stumbled while TLBL waited for that punt to come down, he could of killed him
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Post by: SleepFighter on October 25, 2014, 12:22:49 PM
That third and 13 tho.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on October 25, 2014, 01:32:29 PM
It's adorable how some of you guys are taking this game serious with him. :D
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Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 25, 2014, 01:57:17 PM
That third and 13 tho.

yeah  :love:   Jake is 9 of 11 on third down today; some clutch throws with a 'broken wing'
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Post by: Panjandrum on October 25, 2014, 02:34:25 PM
He played well today given the injury.

Gritty win.  His best plays were called back due to holding calls.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 25, 2014, 02:37:33 PM
Racism kept Bishop from winning the Heisman

This
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 25, 2014, 02:42:01 PM
He played well today given the injury.

Gritty win.  His best plays were called back due to holding calls.

Considering the limits with today's offense this was a really nice win.
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Post by: Panjandrum on October 25, 2014, 02:52:49 PM
Jake needs to skip class all week and hang with the trainer.

I'll admit that, even in garbage time, Hubes runs a pretty QB power lead.
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Post by: kso_FAN on October 25, 2014, 02:55:08 PM
Jake needs to skip class all week and hang with the trainer.

I'll admit that, even in garbage time, Hubes runs a pretty QB power lead.

I'm guessing today was the first time Jake threw many passes all week. And the next time will be next Saturday.
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Post by: michigancat on October 25, 2014, 03:18:39 PM
Jake needs to skip class all week and hang with the trainer.

I'll admit that, even in garbage time, Hubes runs a pretty QB power lead.

I'm guessing today was the first time Jake threw many passes all week. And the next time will be next Saturday.

Should have Klein'ed UT with Heubs
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Post by: star seed 7 on October 25, 2014, 04:03:09 PM
Think we doubled our season total of h3o's today
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Post by: mocat on October 25, 2014, 04:39:45 PM
It's not Hubes, it's Hubey
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Post by: catzacker on October 25, 2014, 04:45:58 PM
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.

because we have to give Jones the ball close does not make Collin and Jake more comparable.

I might consider bringing in Hubes to run the zombie formation instead of jones.  Hubes would at least keep the defense somewhat honest.
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Post by: CNS on October 25, 2014, 05:36:49 PM
Can jones throw?
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Post by: Panjandrum on October 25, 2014, 06:07:40 PM
Wow, Waters is much more comparable to Klein than I thought, especially considering Jones gets all the close rushing TDs.

because we have to give Jones the ball close does not make Collin and Jake more comparable.

I might consider bringing in Hubes to run the zombie formation instead of jones.  Hubes would at least keep the defense somewhat honest.

I'm 100% with you on this.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on November 03, 2014, 10:07:54 AM
Named one of twenty finalists for the Maxwell Award (best player in college football).
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2014, 10:27:03 AM
Named one of twenty finalists for the Maxwell Award (best player in college football).
Only because his receivers bailed him out.  :curse:
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Post by: TownieCat on November 03, 2014, 10:27:18 AM
It's very sad that this has become the official thread for one of the best players in college football.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2014, 10:30:33 AM
It's very sad that this has become the official thread for one of the best players in college football.
This is what happens when you have a bunch of dumbasses running around with low football iq.
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2014, 10:34:14 AM
He looked more healthy/less in pain this past week. Hopefully he's healing a bit every game. IMO he'll probably be needed for 8-10 designed QB runs in each of our next two games to get the right balance from our offense.
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Post by: TownieCat on November 03, 2014, 10:39:24 AM
He looked more healthy/less in pain this past week. Hopefully he's healing a bit every game. IMO he'll probably be needed for 8-10 designed QB runs in each of our next two games to get the right balance from our offense.

I'm not sure if we need that many designed runs, but he will need to be more effective running the ball. There were several opportunities to scramble on Saturday that he passed up. The few times he did take off he didn't really capitalize on the yardage available so he could get outside and out of bounds.

I'm not suggesting he needs to run the ball like he did the first 6 games of the season, but there will be certain times when he'll need to get us the extra few yards instead heading towards the sideline early.
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Post by: TownieCat on November 03, 2014, 10:40:33 AM
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2014, 10:42:06 AM
I think he knows his limits and when to push himself. Klein seemed to know the same thing. When to go all in and when to hold up. It's go time now, time to push all the chips in.
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2014, 10:42:48 AM
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.

Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.

With the nature of what I believe to be Jake's injury, he should get a little bit healthier every week as long as he doesn't take another hard shot.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 03, 2014, 10:46:27 AM
TCU seems to be a rough game for players. Hope he makes it through ok.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on November 03, 2014, 11:37:56 AM
I think he knows his limits and when to push himself. Klein seemed to know the same thing. When to go all in and when to hold up. It's go time now, time to push all the chips in.

Why do you think that?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2014, 11:40:36 AM
I think he knows his limits and when to push himself. Klein seemed to know the same thing. When to go all in and when to hold up. It's go time now, time to push all the chips in.

Why do you think that?
Watching him play the last few weeks vs. previous to not getting sketti brained.

He's been more careful and patient.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on November 03, 2014, 11:42:28 AM
So since he is more hesitant due to injury that means he knows when to push himself?
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Post by: michigancat on November 03, 2014, 11:45:51 AM
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.

Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.

yeah OSU was all over that play even without a rule change
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2014, 11:47:32 AM
So since he is more hesitant due to injury that means he knows when to push himself?
I don't know what you're trying to get at. I don't think he felt like he had to push himself in certain situations the last few weeks. I have the feeling, he will play differently this week vs TCU. Aka knowing your limits/the situation.
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Post by: meow meow on November 03, 2014, 11:58:47 AM
Goal 17:  Know when to push yourself
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Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on November 03, 2014, 12:29:51 PM
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.

Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.

yeah OSU was all over that play even without a rule change

impossible.
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Post by: Kat Kid on November 03, 2014, 01:25:41 PM
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.

Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.

With the nature of what I believe to be Jake's injury, he should get a little bit healthier every week as long as he doesn't take another hard shot.

One thing that would help is if Jake threw the ball away the three to four times a game when he needs to.  He never does it and either scrambles, gets sacked or throws a ball in to a terrible position.
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Post by: kim carnes on November 03, 2014, 01:33:39 PM
We're going to find out on Saturday if this waters guy really is a loser.  I think he might be but I don't know for sure yet.
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 03, 2014, 01:39:01 PM
One thing that would help is if Jake threw the ball away the three to four times a game when he needs to.  He never does it and either scrambles, gets sacked or throws a ball in to a terrible position.

Agreed, at least this week he didn't give up a big sack like he did several times vs UT. His injury hasn't changed his patience in the pocket, but its very obvious he doesn't want to get hit when he runs the ball.
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Post by: kim carnes on November 03, 2014, 01:43:29 PM
TCU will eat us alive if jake can't take hits, he can't be sliding around like a pussy or we have no chance to win IMO.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 03, 2014, 01:47:19 PM
You're right. We don't have a shot if Waters isn't in this game.
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Post by: Frankenklein on November 03, 2014, 04:03:12 PM
Early in the game he had some nifty moves going on especially avoiding the blitz and it seemed that as we took control of the game he played it safe and avoided hits .Good job Jake
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Post by: BackPayne on November 03, 2014, 04:21:22 PM
I hope our oline plays like they did on Saturday. They gave Jake a lot of time within the pocket.
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Post by: chum1 on November 04, 2014, 09:12:01 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/qb-curve-jake-waters-kansas-state/
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Post by: pvegs on November 04, 2014, 09:15:24 PM
The timing of the pop pass also seemed off on Saturday due to his anxiousness to throw it early.

Also, opponents are just grabbing Gronk or Trujillo on the release now, which is to be expected. That throws off the timing as well.

yeah OSU was all over that play even without a rule change

I thought it was interesting that Waters was actually able to run for a few yards when the pop pass wasn't there. That's the first time I've seen a team shut down the throw but him still make something out of it.
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Post by: Katpappy on November 04, 2014, 09:35:30 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/qb-curve-jake-waters-kansas-state/
Did anybody read this:
Instead, he chose Manhattan, where he subsequently spent most of the 2013 season splitting time with a glorified tailback, Daniel Sams,
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Post by: The Big Train on November 04, 2014, 09:41:38 PM
http://grantland.com/the-triangle/qb-curve-jake-waters-kansas-state/
Did anybody read this:
Instead, he chose Manhattan, where he subsequently spent most of the 2013 season splitting time with a glorified tailback, Daniel Sams,

i read the title and i dont like this "matt" guys tone
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 04, 2014, 09:49:17 PM
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 04, 2014, 10:54:59 PM
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.

People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.

Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.
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Post by: felix rex on November 04, 2014, 11:24:13 PM

I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.

People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.

This is perhaps my favorite phog talking point. "Their talent level is only marginally better than ours".
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 04, 2014, 11:46:17 PM

I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.

People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.

This is perhaps my favorite phog talking point. "Their talent level is only marginally better than ours".
It pisses me off. Yea one of the things we are good at is developing players, we put an emphasis on it. But you have to recruit players who have a enough untapped talent to develop.

I will just sit back and watch our players rack up 1st and 2nd team Big 12 awards.

Also hate when recruits get 2 stars when they aren't fully evaluated or when they evaluate a recruit at the wrong position.
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Post by: The Big Train on November 04, 2014, 11:49:04 PM
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.

People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.

Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.

stars and talent is a word that gets over used IMO.  measurables are the main basis for recruiting, also offers, and who they have played against.  there are a ton of people with measurables, but do they do anything with it, or just rely on what they currently have to carry them. 

the difference with bill is he sees the guys that dont necessarily have the measurables in the recruiting services eyes as "talented".  what bill gets out of them is their true potential, and that is dedication to your craft and hard work.  there is a reason bill has been so successful, he sees the potential in people and  drives them to be better than they thought they could be.  most of the guys that have been spoon fed "you are the best" for years dont have the drive and dont reach their true potential because they settle.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 04, 2014, 11:52:56 PM
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.

People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.

Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.

stars and talent is a word that gets over used IMO.  measurables are the main basis for recruiting, also offers, and who they have played against.  there are a ton of people with measurables, but do they do anything with it, or just rely on what they currently have to carry them. 

the difference with bill is he sees the guys that dont necessarily have the measurables in the recruiting services eyes as "talented".  what bill gets out of them is their true potential, and that is dedication to your craft and hard work.  there is a reason bill has been so successful, he sees the potential in people and  drives them to be better than they thought they could be.  most of the guys that have been spoon fed "you are the best" for years dont have the drive and dont reach their true potential because they settle.

At some point in time the ability to play the game has been devalued. But I also think Bill get players with better measurable than perceived by others.
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Post by: The Big Train on November 04, 2014, 11:58:58 PM
I thought the article was good and fair, both about Jake and K-State football in general.

People need to consider that Bill lands better talent than he is given credit for. I think it is insane that people out can't see the talent on our roster.

Also a lot of the national guys still think we are running the same part of the offense that Collin ran in 2012. Would like to just see a little effort.

stars and talent is a word that gets over used IMO.  measurables are the main basis for recruiting, also offers, and who they have played against.  there are a ton of people with measurables, but do they do anything with it, or just rely on what they currently have to carry them. 

the difference with bill is he sees the guys that dont necessarily have the measurables in the recruiting services eyes as "talented".  what bill gets out of them is their true potential, and that is dedication to your craft and hard work.  there is a reason bill has been so successful, he sees the potential in people and  drives them to be better than they thought they could be.  most of the guys that have been spoon fed "you are the best" for years dont have the drive and dont reach their true potential because they settle.

At some point in time the ability to play the game has been devalued. But I also think Bill get players with better measurable than perceived by others.

when you hear "thats how ksu football is played" thats a system of knowing your assignment and executing, because generally you have to play more sound football because you dont have the measurables as your opposite. 

i think we have a few exceptions, but looking at the bigger picture, we dont get the best athletes at any position, and thats where bill mentoring and coaching makes him the greatest coach of all time.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on November 05, 2014, 12:38:11 AM
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.
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Post by: DQ12 on November 05, 2014, 02:19:48 AM
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.
Well, I'm sure our relative pace has a lot to do with it.  With our slow ass pace (although we run 3 more plays per game compared to last year) turnovers play a much bigger role for us than they do with other offenses.  Eliminating a possession and giving up field position are magnified when there are fewer possessions in the game.

So not turning the ball over is more important for us than it is with other teams. And this year (especially compared to last year) we've been really great at not turning it over.

Notably, TCU is leading the nation (by far) in takeaways per game .  They average 3.3 per game; 2nd (LA Tech) is at 2.9 (:sdeek:).  Granted, their pace is crazy -- opponents average 80.1 plays per game (only 16 average more), but still, that TO number is staggering. 

In a lot of important ways, our offense this year mirrors that of '12 -- pretty good YPP and very few TOs.

In fact, in 2014, we average 6 ypp.  In 2012 we averaged 6 ypp.

In 2014 we average 0.4 TOs per game.  In 2012 we averaged 0.8 TOs per game.  5 (almost half) of our turnovers in '12 came against Oregon and Baylor.  Without those disasters, our turnovers are basically even at this point. 

Basically, our offense (to this point, of course) has been as efficient as our 2012 offense, which is saying a lot. 
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2014, 08:26:06 AM
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).

Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
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Post by: Skipper44 on November 05, 2014, 11:19:12 AM
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.
Well, I'm sure our relative pace has a lot to do with it.  With our slow ass pace (although we run 3 more plays per game compared to last year) turnovers play a much bigger role for us than they do with other offenses.  Eliminating a possession and giving up field position are magnified when there are fewer possessions in the game.

So not turning the ball over is more important for us than it is with other teams. And this year (especially compared to last year) we've been really great at not turning it over.

Notably, TCU is leading the nation (by far) in takeaways per game .  They average 3.3 per game; 2nd (LA Tech) is at 2.9 (:sdeek:).  Granted, their pace is crazy -- opponents average 80.1 plays per game (only 16 average more), but still, that TO number is staggering. 

In a lot of important ways, our offense this year mirrors that of '12 -- pretty good YPP and very few TOs.

In fact, in 2014, we average 6 ypp.  In 2012 we averaged 6 ypp.

In 2014 we average 0.4 TOs per game.  In 2012 we averaged 0.8 TOs per game.  5 (almost half) of our turnovers in '12 came against Oregon and Baylor.  Without those disasters, our turnovers are basically even at this point. 

Basically, our offense (to this point, of course) has been as efficient as our 2012 offense, which is saying a lot.
Dlew, I believe Stevesie was refering to the DoD 1.0 teams of the 90s and early 2000s that were usually near the top of the league in penalties and turnovers. 

Those teams had tons of talent, especially on defense where played almost the inverse ratio of m2m:zone as the DoD 2.0 teams play now. We dared the officials to call PI against our physical corners & safeties.  It's a shame we barely had an internet then, cyclonefanatics.com would of been amazing.

I don't feel the offense is any slower and it actually feels faster with how we spend fewer time in the huddle with the sideline checks we do now so I am not sure why we have seen the reduction in turnovers.  Without looking it up, my gut tells me we had a similar turnover rate up until Dimel left for Wyoming in 1996 as we do today and the turnovers spiked when Ron Hudson was OC with more aggressive playmakers in Bishop and Ell that took more chances down field, ran more option and tried to get more yardage after contact than the average Snyder QB.
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Post by: Fldermaus on November 05, 2014, 12:18:55 PM
I recall the old DOD teams getting a delay of game (or burning a timeout to avoid one) on about every fifth play.  That doesn't happen so much any more.
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Post by: Panjandrum on November 05, 2014, 12:28:34 PM
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).

Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.

I wish we were a little more opportunistic, but as long as we stay positive on TO margin, I'm okay.
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 05, 2014, 12:42:19 PM
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).

Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.

I wish we were a little more opportunistic, but as long as we stay positive on TO margin, I'm okay.

If you take Off Plays/TO and subtract Def plays/TO (which IMO is a better measure of TO margin) the Cats are +38.7, which is #13 nationally and very good. In regular TO margin we are +.75 per game, which is #25 nationally and still decent. To me this relates to TO% in basketball and when you factor in pace we are much better than we appear just based on raw TOs.
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Post by: Mixed-Nutz on November 05, 2014, 12:46:12 PM
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.

Bill is more adaptive and cutting age than people will ever give him credit for. Also i think our defensive strategies have definitely evolved to changes college football offensives. Our 90s defensives wouldn't work now.   
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Post by: Panjandrum on November 05, 2014, 12:47:45 PM
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).

Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.

I wish we were a little more opportunistic, but as long as we stay positive on TO margin, I'm okay.

If you take Off Plays/TO and subtract Def plays/TO (which IMO is a better measure of TO margin) the Cats are +38.7, which is #13 nationally and very good. In regular TO margin we are +.75 per game, which is #25 nationally and still decent. To me this relates to TO% in basketball and when you factor in pace we are much better than we appear just based on raw TOs.

Alright, will take then.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CHONGS on November 05, 2014, 01:07:05 PM
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).

Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
In terms of possessions, K-State turns it over (on average) about once every 13 drives (12th nationally), and forces a turn over about once every 7 drives (55th nationally).

For a sense of scale, KSU averages about 11 offensive possessions a game (12th fewest nationally).  TCU averages about 15 possessions a game (most in the nation).
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 05, 2014, 01:15:36 PM
This TO discussion is why I prefer some measure of TO percentage. I usually reverse it though and break it down by how many plays are run compared to TOs lost (or gained by the defense).

Right now K-State loses 1 TO every 78.9 plays, good for #11 nationally. They gain a TO on defense every 40.2 plays, good for #50 nationally.
In terms of possessions, K-State turns it over (on average) about once every 13 drives (12th nationally), and forces a turn over about once every 7 drives (55th nationally).

For a sense of scale, KSU averages about 11 offensive possessions a game (12th fewest nationally).  TCU averages about 15 possessions a game (most in the nation).

Pace would definitely affect our penalty numbers, also.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pvegs on November 05, 2014, 01:47:40 PM
I'm not going to comment on what you dorks are saying, but I think it's funny that the talking point has become "a LHC Bill Snyder coach team doesn't get penalties or turn it over" when during Bill's first stint we had penalties all the time and our best team ever turned it over all the time.

Steviesie, remember how fun the old days were against the truly pud teams where'd we commit like a holding penalty to negate a long TD and then just drive effortlessly for a score anyway.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WillieWatanabe on November 05, 2014, 08:01:41 PM
Obviously k-state runs the conference now...so of course we are less penalized.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bucket on November 06, 2014, 09:42:57 PM
Quote
CBS Sports' Dane Brugler noted that Kansas State junior QB Jake Waters had "gained the attention and respect" of NFL scouts.

Brugler wrote that Waters had "show[ed] improved passing skills and toughness this season." The stats seem to bear this out, as Waters has raised his completion percentage from 61.2% in 2013 to 65.2% in 2014. Waters has also seen his yards-per-completion drop from 9.5 to 8.4 over the last year, though, indicating the possibility that he's completing more passes because the game-plan has been simplified for the quarterback. As a draft prospect, he's on the fringe. A big game against TCU on Saturday would do well to give scouts a little more to work with.

Source: CBS Sports Nov 6 - 8:58 PM

I would attribute the drop in yards-per-completion to the change from TT's playing style to Curry Sexton's.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 06:41:35 PM
bump.  put in the backup.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2014, 06:42:52 PM
Bounce pass
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 08, 2014, 06:45:40 PM
Is the bounce pass legal yet?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
everyone would hate his guts if our defense didn't constantly bail him out.  imagine what carson could have done with this defense.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 06:50:04 PM
kevin white is going to shut lockett down meaning waters will be completely useless tonight.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 06:53:39 PM
2 three and outs
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 07:00:19 PM
we're going to lose by a lot
Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2014, 07:06:33 PM
Yeah, we need something else right now
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 07:08:20 PM
Jakes shoulder has to be pretty hurt.  Super shitty throws to wide open sexton then burns.  Were so mumped. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 07:14:58 PM
  Were so mumped.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2014, 07:16:06 PM
I am not sure I can remember a game with a bigger talent disparity at QB
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 08, 2014, 07:18:16 PM
this falls squarely at jakes hairy feet
Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: hjfklmor on November 08, 2014, 07:21:07 PM
If Lockett started at QB could he just throw passes to himself? Probably better than how it's going now.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 07:25:09 PM
THIS PLACE STINKS OF LOSERS!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 07:30:12 PM
Lets get a first down before we get too giddy.  Deal?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: hjfklmor on November 08, 2014, 07:30:50 PM

Lets get a first down before we get too giddy.  Deal?

Technically I think the TD counted as a first down.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 07:31:30 PM
Nope.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 07:35:23 PM
Lets get a first down before we get too giddy.  Deal?
OH crap I THINK WE JUST GOT A FD!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 07:36:10 PM
Ok, have at it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 07:36:11 PM
Lets get a first down before we get too giddy.  Deal?
OH crap I THINK WE JUST GOT A FD!!!
OH crap I THINK WE JUST GOT ANOTHER FD!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 07:50:42 PM
Cook is horrible
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 07:50:56 PM
Like, really bad, you guys
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 07:52:19 PM
I agree; why is there such a drop after Sexton.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 07:54:55 PM
2016. I'll wait.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 07:58:27 PM
our offense has been our downfall the last 2 seasons.  that should never happen in college football.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 08:00:31 PM
They didn't make it!  What the eff, a review????  :surprised:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 08:01:21 PM
our offense has been our downfall the last 2 seasons.  that should never happen in college football.
For once we agree.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 08:01:56 PM
IT STANDS!!!!  :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 08:08:43 PM
eff it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Muldoon on November 08, 2014, 08:12:11 PM
Time to let this one go.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: AppleJack on November 08, 2014, 08:12:32 PM
why is he playing like a huge boner tonight?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2014, 08:21:29 PM

why is he playing like a huge boner tonight?

Name the time he's ever played like a stud v. a good team? He is what he is, carson coffman'y.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 08, 2014, 08:22:25 PM
And that's not talking bad about him, he's ok. The best we currently have for sure. Just not a conference champ level QB.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 08:34:07 PM
Overall mismatch in athleticism
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 08, 2014, 08:36:15 PM
Overall mismatch in speed.

Fixed your post.
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Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 08:36:28 PM
Prime rib vs yesterday's mcdonalds.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 08:41:38 PM
Overall mismatch in speed.

Fixed your post.

No.more than just speed.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on November 08, 2014, 08:45:57 PM
bailed out by sexton
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 08:47:15 PM
Sexy SEXTON SAYS that's a td, muther fuckra's.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 08:51:02 PM
Whelp, we're mumped.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 08:52:27 PM
Big game bill
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 08:59:29 PM
Big game bill

Oh man!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 08:59:48 PM
So much bad here.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 09:00:30 PM

Big game bill

Oh man!

Burned his ass!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: RickRampus on November 08, 2014, 09:04:16 PM
I need a fanning excuse post about now.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 09:08:32 PM
jesus christ he sucks
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: RickRampus on November 08, 2014, 09:09:17 PM
Fanning or Waters?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Muldoon on November 08, 2014, 09:09:43 PM
Not a waters hater but lol at going to Burton on a must have completion.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 09:09:44 PM
Fanning looks like a dipshit for parading on Twitter to espn that waters was a heisman nominee LOL
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Duncan on November 08, 2014, 09:11:10 PM
Overall mismatch in speed.

Fixed your post.

No.more than just speed.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2014, 09:22:58 PM
He is just bad
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on November 08, 2014, 09:27:30 PM
Wonder if Bill  now remembers why he like dual threat QBs
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 09:28:14 PM
Hubes. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 09:28:40 PM
Laser rocket arm
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BackPayne on November 08, 2014, 09:29:20 PM
Hubes.

Can't hurt.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: ripcurlgti on November 08, 2014, 09:39:33 PM
Bump
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 08, 2014, 09:39:59 PM
Wonder if Bill  now remembers why he like dual threat QBs
we dont (can't?) recruit enough talent to win at a high level, we have 20 years of evidence
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2014, 09:42:49 PM
God jake, just go away
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: AppleJack on November 08, 2014, 09:43:42 PM
interested to know how much Jake got paid to thrown this game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BackPayne on November 08, 2014, 09:44:12 PM
Since his injury he has been a completely different player.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BBF$$Kat on November 08, 2014, 09:45:34 PM
Since his injury he has been a completely different player.
No, no he hasn't been. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 09:45:40 PM
Such a tough guy according to all commentators, but pretty worried about reaching out for that fumble of his. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on November 08, 2014, 09:47:15 PM
That seems like the first time he's done anything positive on the run 2nite
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 08, 2014, 09:48:00 PM
You guys are rough ridin' morons. The offensive line was god awful. Its pretty hard to run an efficient offense when you have to throw every rough ridin' down. You also cant win giving up 41 points
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 09:48:49 PM
Shut up, luke. Waters is and always has been an unconfident loser. He has just played a ton of shitty teams.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 09:49:27 PM
Ok luke
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 09:49:37 PM
Hot garbage. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: ChiComCat on November 08, 2014, 09:49:49 PM
Jake pulling his delicate hand away and not trying to recover his own fumble is why he sucks.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 08, 2014, 09:50:50 PM
I dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BBF$$Kat on November 08, 2014, 09:50:59 PM
You guys are rough ridin' morons. The offensive line was god awful. Its pretty hard to run an efficient offense when you have to throw every rough ridin' down. You also cant win giving up 41 points
So what you are saying is waters has nothing to do with the loss....ok gotcha......dumbass
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 09:51:06 PM
Jake has never beaten a good team
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 09:53:00 PM
Jake has never beaten a good team

We haven't beaten a good team since Snyder came back.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 09:54:18 PM

Jake has never beaten a good team

We haven't beaten a good team since Snyder came back.

You're probably right.  We have been on the wrong side of a lot of ass kickings in Snyder 2
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 08, 2014, 09:54:36 PM
You guys are rough ridin' morons. The offensive line was god awful. Its pretty hard to run an efficient offense when you have to throw every rough ridin' down. You also cant win giving up 41 points
So what you are saying is waters has nothing to do with the loss....ok gotcha......dumbass
I didnt say that. He made some bad choices, but he also had to make the most plays out of everyone. We have to have some sort of running game or we will be 8-4 at the end of the year
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 09:54:49 PM
I dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good

Yep a badass running game, the ability to completely lock down the clock, and  a good passing game would have hurt us like crazy tonight.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 08, 2014, 09:57:33 PM
I dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good

Yep a badass running game, the ability to completely lock down the clock, and  a good passing game would have hurt us like crazy tonight.
Collin Klein wouldn't have been able to go anywhere with that O-Line performance. This team is just average
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on November 08, 2014, 09:59:19 PM
eff it, I'm all in for Hubes
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 09:59:44 PM
So luke is saying that we have always had shitty unconfident losers? Ya don't say
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on November 08, 2014, 10:00:03 PM
eff it, I'm all in for Hubes

Who's with me?
Title: Hubener should be the starter from here on out
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 10:00:18 PM
I'm being serious
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 08, 2014, 10:01:04 PM
So luke is saying that we have always had shitty unconfident losers? Ya don't say
JFC  :dubious:
Title: Hubener should be the starter
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 10:01:25 PM
He looks like he could easily be better than Klein.
Title: Re: Hubener should be the starter from here on out
Post by: Skipper44 on November 08, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
Waters should get the first half at WVU imo
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BBF$$Kat on November 08, 2014, 10:02:24 PM
eff it, I'm all in for Hubes

Who's with me?
eff it might as well, game reps for next year cuz ya know he is the next in line.....
Title: Re: Hubener should be the starter from here on out
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 10:02:31 PM
Better than jake
Title: Re: Hubener should be the starter
Post by: hemmy on November 08, 2014, 10:02:49 PM
He was horrible in mop up time last week.
Title: Re: Hubener should be the starter
Post by: EMAWzified on November 08, 2014, 10:03:03 PM
If Waters can't run the ball, Hubes should be starting. Because Jesus, tonight
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2014, 10:07:43 PM
He was horrid tonight, stop making excuses. 
Title: Re: Hubener should be the starter
Post by: WildcatNation on November 08, 2014, 10:08:37 PM
He looks like he could easily be better than Klein.

Lol. Yeah, our walk on quarterback and his two garbage time touchdown drives showed you he could easily be better than a heisman finalist. HFBIQ as always.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 08, 2014, 10:09:15 PM
Fanning is having the start of a very nice meltdown on Twitter
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 08, 2014, 10:10:45 PM
Why not play for next year at this point? TCU isn't losing again.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 08, 2014, 10:11:37 PM
I dont believe Collin Klein could have won us this game either. It was a team effort. We just arent that good
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Muldoon on November 08, 2014, 10:12:03 PM
More pressing is the question of our defense.   WTF did Johnson and Clinkscales do that was so rough ridin' bad to not earn the start and/or significant playing time?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kitten_mittons on November 08, 2014, 10:13:08 PM
Why not play for next year at this point? TCU isn't losing again.

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Would it hurt recruiting a qb?
Delton, tho.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bones129 on November 08, 2014, 10:13:46 PM
Bet Bill is looking for another JUCO QB
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatNation on November 08, 2014, 10:23:25 PM
Really, really hope Ertz will be good.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: HELLHAMMER on November 08, 2014, 10:29:58 PM
Really, really hope Ertz will be good.

That'd be a rough ridin' miracle.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 08, 2014, 10:41:03 PM
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatNation on November 08, 2014, 10:46:12 PM
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.

Well then I hope you love our annual kick in the nuts. The ceiling for a team of walk-ons and 5 heart players is a share of a conference championship every 5 rough ridin' years and maybe a decent bowl, which we will probably lose.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TheHamburglar on November 08, 2014, 11:09:20 PM
I can't tell if I have some confidence in/hope for Hubener for next year because:
a) I like Hubener, or
b) After watching Jake run I just like watching someone 6'4", 200+ lbs take off decisively, lean forward, and take long strides confidently
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 08, 2014, 11:11:25 PM
I can't tell if I have some confidence in/hope for Hubener for next year because:
a) I like Hubener, or
b) After watching Jake run I just like watching someone 6'4", 200+ lbs take off decisively, lean forward, and take long strides confidently

Confidence is infectious
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bucket on November 08, 2014, 11:12:28 PM
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.

Well then I hope you love our annual kick in the nuts. The ceiling for a team of walk-ons and 5 heart players is a share of a conference championship every 5 rough ridin' years and maybe a decent bowl, which we will probably lose.

 :facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 11:18:17 PM
Bet Bill is looking for another JUCO QB

Better be someone outside iowa
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bucket on November 08, 2014, 11:19:05 PM
Bet Bill is looking for another JUCO QB

Better be someone outside iowa

Why?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 08, 2014, 11:21:40 PM
Let paul get those kids.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 08, 2014, 11:30:36 PM
Lol. You dumbasses. Our running game sucks. Let's make Jake throw 60 passes.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 08, 2014, 11:33:53 PM
Lol. You dumbasses. Our running game sucks. Let's make Jake throw 60 passes.

If he skips half of them, that's a good avg.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 08, 2014, 11:34:29 PM
lol yeah you dumbasses.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 08, 2014, 11:36:07 PM
He beat out #life and half you mother fuckers haven't had a life since then. Got you!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bucket on November 08, 2014, 11:40:06 PM
lol yeah you dumbasses.

Go, Kim. You've been waiting weeks for this.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 09, 2014, 12:14:19 AM
Klein might as well have been a walk on. I welcome the Hubener era.

Well then I hope you love our annual kick in the nuts. The ceiling for a team of walk-ons and 5 heart players is a share of a conference championship every 5 rough ridin' years and maybe a decent bowl, which we will probably lose.

That sounds amazing to me.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: UCHADBRO on November 09, 2014, 12:44:39 AM
Guys, I  think Bill Sketti-Armed our QB
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Trim on November 09, 2014, 01:48:38 AM
interested to know how much Jake got paid to thrown this game.

LOL at anyone paying Jake to throw anything.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: stunted on November 09, 2014, 03:01:33 AM
hubener = mr. big play
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 06:52:20 PM
Can we pull the plug on this guy already? Ugh. #fml #bailoutcity
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 06:54:04 PM
Right on cue
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Big Train on November 20, 2014, 06:56:29 PM
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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 06:58:12 PM
Dumbass threw it too hard.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 06:59:28 PM
Sad that Fannings life is based on the arm of an unconfident loser
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 07:03:05 PM
Sad that Fannings life is based on the arm of an unconfident loser
Yeah, he's a rough ridin' tuck loser from Iowa. Somehow this dumbass bailed his way out to #1 completion % in Kstate history. rough ridin' bullshit if you ask me.  :curse:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 07:04:53 PM
Congrats
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 07:07:25 PM
Congrats
How do we get rid of him? Can Sams transfer mid season with all of his ligaments broken from D2 football? :confused:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 07:08:30 PM
Sad
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 07:10:29 PM
Sad
You're telling me!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 07:17:48 PM
Do you guys think Waters breathed on lockett before that fumble? I bet he did! :shakesfist:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 07:23:52 PM
Your boy breathed on himself that time
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Post by: The Big Train on November 20, 2014, 07:24:41 PM
 :blank:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 07:25:37 PM
I know. Also, that throw he had in between two defenders. rough ridin' woof!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 07:30:53 PM
Waters, why don't you have a running game, dumbass? You would recruit some RB's if you cared!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 08:09:33 PM
Can't believe the entire team except for Jake went the wrong way
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Post by: The Big Train on November 20, 2014, 08:10:05 PM
what the eff is jake doing
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Post by: pissclams on November 20, 2014, 08:11:38 PM
it's call improvisation you dumbasses
catch them off guard and that thing goes golden goalposts
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 08:43:40 PM
Can we be honest here? If the WR position didn't exist, Waters would be mumped! #soblessed #gopurple
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 08:43:51 PM
waters is a gigantic field goal fan
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Post by: bones129 on November 20, 2014, 08:44:51 PM
waters is a gigantic field goal fan

Field goals hurt his shoulder less.
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Post by: Tobias on November 20, 2014, 08:45:41 PM
point shav'n
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 08:46:34 PM
seems pretty meh about touchdowns, but clearly gets "tingly" for field goals
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 08:48:59 PM
Our #1 completion QB in the history of the sport is clearly a rough ridin' goof. I will pay for a bounty hunter asap. rough ridin' dunce!  :frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Tobias on November 20, 2014, 08:50:15 PM
everything ok wacky?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 08:51:33 PM
i think he's drunk
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 08:54:13 PM
i think he's drunk
Definitely!  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 08:55:12 PM
someone needs to put plastic over the folded laundry tonight
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 08:58:26 PM
someone needs to put plastic over the folded laundry tonight
Water(s) bed tho!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on November 20, 2014, 08:59:20 PM
someone needs to put plastic over the folded laundry tonight
:lol:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 09:16:24 PM
field goal time!!!!!!  :Woot:  <----- waters
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on November 20, 2014, 09:21:35 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: That_Guy on November 20, 2014, 09:23:54 PM

If we lose this, it's on Waters

Or how about the OLine?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 09:24:29 PM
clutch 3 and out coming up here
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 20, 2014, 09:24:38 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 20, 2014, 09:25:33 PM
And to add that RB's who apparently are afraid of the cold that they avoid of getting hit.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 20, 2014, 09:28:11 PM
clutch 3 and out coming up here

nope
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 20, 2014, 09:29:52 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.

your dumbass would say that
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 09:31:03 PM
clutch 3 and out coming up here

nope

whoo!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 20, 2014, 09:33:10 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.

your dumbass would say that

Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.

7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.

Choke on that, KU ball washer.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 09:34:17 PM
field goal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :Woohoo:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2014, 09:35:04 PM
This thread is something.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Spracne on November 20, 2014, 09:39:14 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.

your dumbass would say that

Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.

7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.

Choke on that, KU ball washer.

Reasonable people can have dissenting opinions regarding their team.  No reason to get all tribal...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: WildcatPower on November 20, 2014, 09:42:22 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.

your dumbass would say that

Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.

7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.

Choke on that, KU ball washer.

Reasonable people can have dissenting opinions regarding their team.  No reason to get all tribal...

Hard to be reasonable when someone isn't paying any attention to the game, and just hates on Waters just because.

Anyone with a half of a brain knows that with our rushing statistics, running backs who are scared, and very suspect play calling isn't helping.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 09:44:19 PM
Anyone with half a brain probably drools a lot
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on November 20, 2014, 09:47:20 PM
Lol at a meaningless int for his stats
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 20, 2014, 09:47:55 PM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.

your dumbass would say that

Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.

7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.

Choke on that, KU ball washer.

they're playing to stop the run b/c they know waters sucks.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on November 20, 2014, 09:50:23 PM
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it.  shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.

he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight.  I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for.  he was pure crap.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Pendergast on November 20, 2014, 09:51:57 PM
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it.  shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.

he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight.  I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for.  he was pure crap.

sums it up pretty good
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: That_Guy on November 20, 2014, 09:54:55 PM

waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it.  shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.

he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight.  I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for.  he was pure crap.

sums it up pretty good

Agree
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 20, 2014, 09:55:31 PM
OMG! :love:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Harry Doyle on November 20, 2014, 09:56:32 PM
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it.  shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.

he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight.  I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for.  he was pure crap.

I never agree with zacker, but this, yep.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 20, 2014, 09:57:59 PM
Zacker is right.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 20, 2014, 09:58:45 PM
Its almost like all of these message board hot takes lack nuance.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Pendergast on November 20, 2014, 10:03:28 PM
nuance is overrated
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2014, 10:04:50 PM
Jake was poor in the run game no doubt, but he and Lockett and Sexton shredded the 2nd best pass defense in the league. Problem was with no run threat there was no space in the red zone to be effective. But without an effective passing game we lose this game 20-10 with about 190 yards of offense.
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Post by: catzacker on November 20, 2014, 10:07:47 PM
The offense actually lost the game, it only scored 19, wvu's punter scored 7.  So great job shredding the defense for 19 goddamn points.
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Post by: EMAWzified on November 20, 2014, 10:08:26 PM
Two words: Wildcat formation.
Did Bill forget that arrow in the quiver? Especially at 1st and goal from the 2 after getting stuffed the prior possession. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2014, 10:10:01 PM
some people are just going to kill jake no matter what.  even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight.  that's still a pretty effective offense. 

jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 10:12:21 PM
waters was not only an incredible pussy tonight, but he was a rough ridin' idiot to go along with it.  shitty rough ridin' reads on zone reads, shitty pitches, went the wrong rough ridin' way on a play, couldn't get a rough ridin' yard at the goal line, fumbled (thank god gronk was there), couldn't even throw the goddamn ball out of rough ridin' bounds on the last play.

he was rough ridin' dogshit tonight.  I could give a eff about how many yards he threw for.  he was pure crap.
Man, I agree.  It seemed like I was watching goal line stands with chicken crap Prince QB who couldn't rush in a TD if his life depended on it.  The big pussy only could throw sideline dinks, just like a Jayhawk CC QB.  Thank God he had an NFL caliber receiver to save his ass. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 10:17:08 PM
It's fun to jib a bunch of Basket Ball/ Base Ball dwebs on a football board.
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 20, 2014, 10:20:58 PM
that was the most frustrating game I've ever seen the cats win against a favored opponent, but it was not the quarterbacks fault.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 20, 2014, 10:24:08 PM
Is jake the worst option qb in Snyderball history?  I think yes.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 10:24:23 PM
that was the most frustrating game I've ever seen the cats win against a favored opponent, but it was not the quarterbacks fault.
The hell you don't say!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 10:33:24 PM
I say we sit this record breaking, passing QB, and put in someone that's fun to watch.  We need a battering ramp style running QB, maybe Bill will put in Hubneur for the KU game.  We can't let H2O break all the records, when we could have a blast with a Klein trained Kansas boy running the ball.   :fatty:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2014, 10:58:03 PM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).
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Post by: MadCat on November 20, 2014, 11:01:17 PM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).

Was it the 3-4 defense?
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Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2014, 11:02:45 PM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).

Was it the 3-4 defense?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 11:03:59 PM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).

Was it the 3-4 defense?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.
:ROFL:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:07:17 PM
Jake doesn't throw interceptions as much anymore and I like that
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MadCat on November 20, 2014, 11:08:39 PM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).

Was it the 3-4 defense?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.

I obviously don't know defensive alignments.  The commentators talked about the 3 down linemen lined up on the center and guards clogging the middle...  :dunno:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 20, 2014, 11:10:36 PM
some people are just going to kill jake no matter what.  even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight.  that's still a pretty effective offense. 

jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.

i agree with this and with the fact that we should have a better qb than waters. it's v frustrating.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 11:11:22 PM
Jake doesn't throw interceptions as much anymore and I like that
H2O seems to be more accurate this year.  Hope it due to the 5 to 8 seconds he gets from the O-Line.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:13:04 PM
Jake doesn't throw interceptions as much anymore and I like that
H2O seems to be more accurate this year.  Hope it due to the 5 to 8 seconds he gets from the O-Line.

yeah, last year he was H3O because we couldn't convert. Now we are amazing on 3rd down.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:14:45 PM
it's hilarious that people call him a duel threat though. he's still very timid on the run. maybe because he got dinged up, I don't know. without a QB run game we suck complete ass running the ball.
Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on November 20, 2014, 11:18:26 PM
I think he's still hurt or at least worried about getting hurt again, hence his issues running the ball
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Post by: bucket on November 20, 2014, 11:20:09 PM
it's hilarious that people call him a duel threat though. he's still very timid on the run. maybe because he got dinged up, I don't know. without a QB run game we suck complete ass running the ball.

Not why this team sucks ass running the ball.

Correction, part of the reason this team sucks at running the football.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:21:59 PM
I think he's still hurt or at least worried about getting hurt again, hence his issues running the ball

yeah, we don't run designed QB run at all now. which hurts our running game that is 100% based off of a QB running threat. whatever works though. Bill is one of the only coaches that can go from high % yards rushing one game to 0 the next and win both. that's such a ridiculous anomaly (stat guys back me up here)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 20, 2014, 11:23:10 PM

some people are just going to kill jake no matter what.  even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight.  that's still a pretty effective offense. 

jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.

i agree with this and with the fact that we should have a better qb than waters. it's v frustrating.
You can't say this so definitively if the better QB you're referring to is Sams.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 20, 2014, 11:23:37 PM
it's hilarious that people call him a duel threat though. he's still very timid on the run. maybe because he got dinged up, I don't know. without a QB run game we suck complete ass running the ball.
I noticed that too.  He has that "I'm just a NFL, "don't hurt me as I slide" type of mentality. 
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Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:24:47 PM

some people are just going to kill jake no matter what.  even with 0 running game we averaged 6.3 ypp tonight.  that's still a pretty effective offense. 

jake was bad in the running game and our offense inside the red-zone was pretty lousy, but i mean, if your upset, there are 5 offensive lineman and two runningbacks and two offensive coordinators that deserve more criticism than waters tonight.

i agree with this and with the fact that we should have a better qb than waters. it's v frustrating.
You can't say this so definitively if the better QB you're referring to is Sams.

explain, I'm at a 5 and don't know what you mean
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 20, 2014, 11:26:14 PM
Jake runs like an idiot now that he's hurt. Why does he jump so much?
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Post by: star seed 7 on November 20, 2014, 11:26:53 PM
Jake runs like an idiot now that he's hurt. Why does he jump so much?

hey always ran like an idiot, it's just like a super idiot now
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2014, 11:27:13 PM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).

Was it the 3-4 defense?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.

I obviously don't know defensive alignments.  The commentators talked about the 3 down linemen lined up on the center and guards clogging the middle...  :dunno:

Yes. Then they stack 3 LBs over those DL and blitz a ton. 2 corners and a free safety with 2 other safeties that really play almost like OLBs at times behind those 6. I wasn't able to watch closely, but they stacked the box and we didn't handle the blitzes against the run at all. Surprisingly though we seem to pass protect pretty well and when Jake has time he is going to connect with Lockett and Sexton.

I thought we made some bad decisions when we got into the redzone. Our best running game stuff came from wildcat or Waters in shotgun, but we seemed to insist on I formation stuff often and WV just stuffed it. Jake has never been good on speed option, but we seemed to insist on running it. Also, it seemed as though we didn't trust our passing game down there even thought between the 20s WV could never really stop us. Its really amazing the way we could use the passing game with only 1 yard rushing and still manage to win TOP, but its still extremely frustrating to move the ball like that and not finish drives with touchdowns. 6 trips inside the 20 getting only 16 points is unacceptable and Dimel absolutely must get that fixed. We absolutely have to find some ways to run the ball or KU could give us trouble and BU will beat us badly.

And of course Waters shoulder is still dinged and its why he runs timid. Its healed some and he looks more comfortable, but he's not running like he did before the injury and I can't blame him. I think its ridiculous to call him out for that, he's trying to keep himself on the field so we can win games. In fact, I'm sure he's coached to be very careful running the ball.

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:37:34 PM
_FAN we're used to people like collin and daniel getting the living crap beat out of them and still being expected to go out there and run the ball. it's natural. even if it's coached. I mean, I doubt bill ever coached collin not to barrel full speed into the line of scrimmage. I don't think jake was ever that great at running the ball so I agree with bill saving him. but I understand what people are saying. on the other hand, jake threw for 400 yards with no pics so here we are.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 20, 2014, 11:40:52 PM
yeah.  it's like k-state fans' only metric for judging a qb is how good the running game is, generally.  weird, but understandable.
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Post by: kim carnes on November 20, 2014, 11:41:23 PM
consider this evidence re: waters sucking

we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:

14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu

conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:45:06 PM
consider this evidence re: waters sucking

we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:

14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu

conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams

yeah, I'd say our offense is not as good against good/decent teams as it is otherwise
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2014, 11:48:11 PM
_FAN we're used to people like collin and daniel getting the living crap beat out of them and still being expected to go out there and run the ball. it's natural. even if it's coached. I mean, I doubt bill ever coached collin not to barrel full speed into the line of scrimmage. I don't think jake was ever that great at running the ball so I agree with bill saving him. but I understand what people are saying. on the other hand, jake threw for 400 yards with no pics so here we are.

Of course.

But it doesn't take that much to realize the biggest asset for Jake Waters on this team is and has always been in the passing game and getting the ball to Tyler Lockett. We can debate the merit of the QB decision, but its THE reason he eventually won the job last year and the main reason for his success this year. I contended starting after the Texas game last year that Waters and Lockett had a special connection and if Waters could ever figure out his turnover issues that he would be a successful QB. For the most part that's what happened and I don't think just any QB could have done the same thing. So to me its absolutely stupid to think Jake should run the ball with abandon and get what IMO is a messed up AC joint messed up even more. If anything, I think we are running him too much, but I believe with the issues we have run blocking and with our backs that our staff feels that's the only way we can have any success running the ball.

Its not the best situation to be in, but its managed to put us at 8-2 with a shot at still winning this league. I honestly couldn't have asked for more coming into this season. And again, I'll take an ugly win any day.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 20, 2014, 11:48:55 PM
consider this evidence re: waters sucking

we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:

14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu

conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams

Yeah, it sucks to go 3-2 with 2 road wins against good teams. Absolutely sucks.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 20, 2014, 11:55:30 PM
_FAN we're used to people like collin and daniel getting the living crap beat out of them and still being expected to go out there and run the ball. it's natural. even if it's coached. I mean, I doubt bill ever coached collin not to barrel full speed into the line of scrimmage. I don't think jake was ever that great at running the ball so I agree with bill saving him. but I understand what people are saying. on the other hand, jake threw for 400 yards with no pics so here we are.

Of course.

But it doesn't take that much to realize the biggest asset for Jake Waters on this team is and has always been in the passing game and getting the ball to Tyler Lockett. We can debate the merit of the QB decision, but its THE reason he eventually won the job last year and the main reason for his success this year. I contended starting after the Texas game last year that Waters and Lockett had a special connection and if Waters could ever figure out his turnover issues that he would be a successful QB. For the most part that's what happened and I don't think just any QB could have done the same thing. So to me its absolutely stupid to think Jake should run the ball with abandon and get what IMO is a messed up AC joint messed up even more. If anything, I think we are running him too much, but I believe with the issues we have run blocking and with our backs that our staff feels that's the only way we can have any success running the ball.

Its not the best situation to be in, but its managed to put us at 8-2 with a shot at still winning this league. I honestly couldn't have asked for more coming into this season. And again, I'll take an ugly win any day.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 20, 2014, 11:57:11 PM
consider this evidence re: waters sucking

we've played five decent/good teams this year, our offensive point totals in those games are:

14 - auburn
24 - ou
23 - texas
20 - tcu (6 of those were from hubener)
19 - wvu

conclusion: our offense under jake is complete dogshit against good/decent teams

Yeah, it sucks to go 3-2 with 2 road wins against good teams. Absolutely sucks.

we're 0-2 against the two good teams we've played and 3-0 against the decent teams we've played.  we're nowhere near as good as our ranking and we'll likely be completely exposed by baylor.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bones129 on November 21, 2014, 12:00:00 AM
I think he's still hurt or at least worried about getting hurt again, hence his issues running the ball

I think Bill is more concerned about Jake getting hurt than Jake is. And Jake doesn't call the plays unless it's a last second check.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 12:04:27 AM
I think Jake is physically timid to begin with. Watching his own fumbles roll around made me not really a fan and I think that's just Jake. But, he is good at throwing the ball this year. Much better than last. I don't think he's "tough" and I said that before but I don't think he has to be tough for us to be good. He is best when he doesn't have to be tough. He's good when he can just throw the ball around and luckily he has the best WR we've ever had and another couple decent guys to throw to.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 12:06:35 AM
Also he makes much better decisions this year. Not just in not throwing interceptions but in throwing the ball away and pocket stuff.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on November 21, 2014, 06:20:26 AM
11.8 yards per pass attempt tonight.  that's an efficient passing offense. 

considering WVU is actually a pretty good pass defense, it makes me wonder if they did something schematically to stop the run and make waters and the gang beat them (which he did).

Was it the 3-4 defense?
Well...they run a 3-3-5 so i doubt it.

I obviously don't know defensive alignments.  The commentators talked about the 3 down linemen lined up on the center and guards clogging the middle...  :dunno:

Yes. Then they stack 3 LBs over those DL and blitz a ton. 2 corners and a free safety with 2 other safeties that really play almost like OLBs at times behind those 6. I wasn't able to watch closely, but they stacked the box and we didn't handle the blitzes against the run at all. Surprisingly though we seem to pass protect pretty well and when Jake has time he is going to connect with Lockett and Sexton.

I thought we made some bad decisions when we got into the redzone. Our best running game stuff came from wildcat or Waters in shotgun, but we seemed to insist on I formation stuff often and WV just stuffed it. Jake has never been good on speed option, but we seemed to insist on running it. Also, it seemed as though we didn't trust our passing game down there even thought between the 20s WV could never really stop us. Its really amazing the way we could use the passing game with only 1 yard rushing and still manage to win TOP, but its still extremely frustrating to move the ball like that and not finish drives with touchdowns. 6 trips inside the 20 getting only 16 points is unacceptable and Dimel absolutely must get that fixed. We absolutely have to find some ways to run the ball or KU could give us trouble and BU will beat us badly.

And of course Waters shoulder is still dinged and its why he runs timid. Its healed some and he looks more comfortable, but he's not running like he did before the injury and I can't blame him. I think its ridiculous to call him out for that, he's trying to keep himself on the field so we can win games. In fact, I'm sure he's coached to be very careful running the ball.

all waters had to do was pull the ball ONCE on one of those zone reads and he never did even though the DE (or whomever he was reading) was crashing hard.  and his pitches/reads on the speed option were horrendous.  Dimel absolutely deserves some blame for this offense sucking crap, so do our piss poor RB's.  But our QB's either (a) lack of ability or (b) lack of desire to run the qb run game effectively plays a major part of this offense being neutered.

if he's playing, he's up for full criticism.  I don't really care about his injuries.  I never cared if CK was fully healthy.  If you're out there, then play.  otherwise, let's go with Hubes.  And I'm serious about that.   
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 07:01:53 AM
This thread is something.
Does this thread hurt the image of K-State/this blog? :frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: KanSt43 on November 21, 2014, 08:19:27 AM
Waters is an average QB. Pretty good thrower, decent decision maker, average runner. Anyone who thinks he is elite is wrong, and anyone who thinks he is awful is wrong. I've never stood up for him, because he is what he is. But it's laughable that the dude completes 65% on his passes, 400 yards and people act like he's terrible. He made a lot of mistakes last night, but who DIDN'T? That was a crap team performance. Even Lockett fuggin' fumbled. O-Line was dominated. How about Mueller (except for one play) getting just abused the entire game?

Again, Jake is average. Once we all can accept that, it'll be easier to digest these good games and bad games.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TownieCat on November 21, 2014, 08:44:00 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 08:44:11 AM
Waters is an average QB. Pretty good thrower, decent decision maker, average runner. Anyone who thinks he is elite is wrong, and anyone who thinks he is awful is wrong. I've never stood up for him, because he is what he is. But it's laughable that the dude completes 65% on his passes, 400 yards and people act like he's terrible. He made a lot of mistakes last night, but who DIDN'T? That was a crap team performance. Even Lockett fuggin' fumbled. O-Line was dominated. How about Mueller (except for one play) getting just abused the entire game?

Again, Jake is average. Once we all can accept that, it'll be easier to digest these good games and bad games.

all fair points.  i think we should start with a list of people who think Jake is an elite QB.  just start posting names and we'll set those idiots straight.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 21, 2014, 08:56:37 AM
waters is fine. overall though i hate what dimel has turned this team into offensively. f u dimel w/ our little qb and our four wr sets and our non physical pass blocking only o-line. it makes me sad.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 21, 2014, 09:01:54 AM
If we lose this, it's on Waters

I'd say this is more on the O-line, specifically the run blocking/coaches abandoning the run game.

this one should have gotten a little more recognition.  great work as always, 'cne.  :thumbs:

your dumbass would say that

Hey, listen here you little [redacted] sniveling bitch.

7 yards on 25 rushing attempts. That's on the O-line/RB's/coaches.

Choke on that, KU ball washer.

Reasonable people can have dissenting opinions regarding their team.  No reason to get all tribal...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWmeister on November 21, 2014, 09:04:58 AM
Wacky got hammered last night   :cheers:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 21, 2014, 09:11:35 AM
waters is fine. overall though i hate what dimel has turned this team into offensively. f u dimel w/ our little qb and our four wr sets and our non physical pass blocking only o-line. it makes me sad.
I'm gonna research all your posts and see if you ever wanted Mike Leach to be our head coach.  If you did, boy oh boy...am I gonna ever point it out to you...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 09:16:47 AM
Wacky got hammered last night   :cheers:
Yeah I did! :cheers:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 09:50:31 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TownieCat on November 21, 2014, 09:55:20 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 09:59:54 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?

At this moment, Mahomes.  Cummings is absolutely better right now.  Baylor's backup, Russell.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: KanSt43 on November 21, 2014, 10:01:45 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

By default. Webb/Mahomes/Garman/Swoopes/Cummings/Richardson/Rohach are trash

Trickett is average. Waters is average, but better than Trickett (I'll even give him like a B-)

Boykin and Petty are the class.

So yeah, top 3 or 4. But not saying much.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TownieCat on November 21, 2014, 10:02:13 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?

At this moment, Mahomes.  Cummings is absolutely better right now.  Baylor's backup, Russell.
:lol:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 10:04:59 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

Maybe when he was fully healthy.
Besides Petty and Boykin who is better than him?

At this moment, Mahomes.  Cummings is absolutely better right now.  Baylor's backup, Russell.
:lol:

Have you seen Russell?

Have you not watched Cummings the last few games?

Did you not see Mahomes against OU?

Also, a Jake that cannot run is a Jake that puts our offense at a disadvantage.  We won last night because Tyler Lockett is an enormous stud.  I usually defend Jake, but Tyler was on fire.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 10:06:34 AM
waters is fine. overall though i hate what dimel has turned this team into offensively. f u dimel w/ our little qb and our four wr sets and our non physical pass blocking only o-line. it makes me sad.

agree w/ dimel's shitty predictable offense.  i posted that last night, it drives me nuts b/c bill's offense can be the best thing to watch when our OC isn't just going through the motions.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2014, 10:12:12 AM
Waters is one of the 3 best QBs in the Big 12. How the hell is that average?

By default. Webb/Mahomes/Garman/Swoopes/Cummings/Richardson/Rohach are trash

Trickett is average. Waters is average, but better than Trickett (I'll even give him like a B-)

Boykin and Petty are the class.

So yeah, top 3 or 4. But not saying much.

exactly this
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 10:16:17 AM
Jfc some of you are dumbasses.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 21, 2014, 10:22:17 AM
Jfc some of you are dumbasses.

Jake isn't playing very well right now.  I don't think it's that hard to see that.

If you're looking at the aggregate of the season, top 3, fine.  Right now, with a bum wing and/or fear to run, he's really relying on his arm to beat teams, and that's dangerous.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 10:26:25 AM
He just got done throwing for 400 yards and this fan base is dissecting him apart. He also did this with a crap run game in which he out rushed his RB's. Fine, he's hurt, and he's still accomplishing this? Some of you need to take a break. Sams has forever mumped Waters namesake. He's a finalist for national QB of the year for Christ sakes.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 10:29:06 AM
Every poster is discussing Jakes strengths and weaknesses and everyone thinks he's somewhere between below average and above average. And wackycat is mad about it for some reason.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Benja on November 21, 2014, 10:30:30 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2014, 10:31:15 AM
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 10:31:33 AM
@stevedave Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Benja on November 21, 2014, 10:33:38 AM
Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:

wacky, I think people are discussing his relative good attributes and bad. I think he's good as well, but just saying he's "good", doesn't say much.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fedor on November 21, 2014, 10:39:43 AM
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.
This guy...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 8manpick on November 21, 2014, 10:40:07 AM
@stevedave Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:
Well if you want to talk completion percentage, you should understand that Alex Smith ranks 53 spots higher than John Elway on the all time NFL list
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 21, 2014, 10:42:03 AM
@stevedave Because it's insane. He's setting a record for qb percentage at K-State, but we still can't figure out if he's good or not yet. :lol:
Well if you want to talk completion percentage, you should understand that Alex Smith ranks 53 spots higher than John Elway on the all time NFL list
By any passing metric, Waters is playing extremely well (and did last night too).
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2014, 10:42:48 AM
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.
This guy...

How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TownieCat on November 21, 2014, 10:43:36 AM
I am happy that Jake is our QB. Is he the best we've ever had? No. But the Cats are 14-3 in their last 17 games and he's been a big part of that.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Yard Dog on November 21, 2014, 10:50:28 AM
Just read this over at ESECPN:

"With the running game stagnating again, K-State had to rely on Jake Waters for offense. And again, Waters delivered, completing 22 of 34 passes for a career-high 400 yards and a touchdown. Waters has been the model of consistency this year, throwing for at least 200 yards in every game with only five interceptions. After Snyder, Waters is as big a reason as any for why the Wildcats remain alive in the Big 12 title race. With Trevone Boykin and Bryce Petty also in the league, Waters probably won’t earn All-Big 12 honors. But he’s performed at an All-Big 12 level all year, including Thursday night."

They seem to really like Jake.

Link to article: http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/92962/analyzing-k-state-west-virginia
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fedor on November 21, 2014, 10:51:13 AM
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.
This guy...

How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
Yards should not be a metric, game was extended by inability to burn clock. 
The lower the rushing total the better the QB rating is really your point here is it?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2014, 10:53:49 AM
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.
This guy...

How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
Yards should not be a metric, game was extended by inability to burn clock. 
The lower the rushing total the better the QB rating is really your point here is it?

No, it really depends on why the rushing yards are low. If the defense is selling out with a bear front and run blitzes to stop the run, you should have a good day passing. If the defense is just running a base 4-2-5 and you can't run, you probably aren't going to be able to pass, either.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Yard Dog on November 21, 2014, 10:57:22 AM
Which is why we shouldn't be so worried about the run game based on the WVU game. We gashed them passing. That game should have been a blowout with their stupid defensive philosophy, we just didn't convert in the endzone like we should. If anything, we need to address why we can't convert in the redzone with passing.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: PIPE on November 21, 2014, 10:57:30 AM
What a bunch of losers in this thread.


Can't run the ball.....blame Waters
Offense can't call a play worth a damn in the red zone (looking at you Dimel, you dumbass).......blame Waters
Hurt his shoulder after like a 50 yard run, went on to win at OU.......blame Waters (shouldn't have a huge guy land on you like that)
RB's dance around at the line.....blame Waters
RB's are slow as Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) turtles....blame Waters
OL is awful......blame Waters

Repeat....repeat ......repeat......eff this thread and the people in it :flush: :flush: :flush: :sdeek: :sdeek: :facepalm:

Also, anyone notice how Snyder has a twitch w/ his mouth......that's Waters fault too........

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 21, 2014, 10:57:54 AM
I think it's okay to be concerned when the offense is so 1 dimensional.  Even if they do that 1 dimension really well.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on November 21, 2014, 10:58:32 AM
Bill would definitely not have a nervous twitch if our QB could run, imo.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on November 21, 2014, 11:04:12 AM
Which is why we shouldn't be so worried about the run game based on the WVU game. We gashed them passing. That game should have been a blowout with their stupid defensive philosophy, we just didn't convert in the endzone like we should. If anything, we need to address why we can't convert in the redzone with passing.

Yes. Dana's plan worked, really. Despite having 400 yards passing, we only scored 1 offensive TD. If we would have done a better job getting into the endzone, WVU probably would have changed what they were doing defensively, which would have opened up the run game. It's not all Jake's fault. There were some penalties, drops, etc., but I would have been a whole lot more impressed if Jake would have had 200 yards and 3 touchdowns vs 400 yards and 1 touchdown.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2014, 11:12:00 AM
4th best QB is average in a 10 team league. :dunno:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CHONGS on November 21, 2014, 11:16:31 AM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FcI4HqMU.png&hash=56f71e008d082b91fd38d47cbf03cd093b3f21d9)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on November 21, 2014, 11:19:36 AM
Jake is a very good, but not great, passer.  He is below average in the qb run game. A large part (50%?) of our rushing issues are tied to him being below average in the qb run game. He's also a large reason (50%?) why our passing game (sans scoring) is very good.  We won't win anything of any substance if our run game sucks.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: TownieCat on November 21, 2014, 11:20:49 AM
The only thing I can tell from that graphic is that our Jake Waters isn't very different from Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 21, 2014, 11:24:24 AM
The only thing I can tell from that graphic is that our Jake Waters isn't very different from Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston.

and worse than clint trickett :sdeek:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on November 21, 2014, 11:27:30 AM
Can we be honest here? If the WR position didn't exist, Waters would be mumped! #soblessed #gopurple

really enjoying going back and reading last nights gems
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 11:30:18 AM
That Kenny Hill data point!
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Post by: CNS on November 21, 2014, 11:31:32 AM
Well that just makes me happy.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 11:31:51 AM
Can we be honest here? If the WR position didn't exist, Waters would be mumped! #soblessed #gopurple

really enjoying going back and reading last nights gems
:D
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CHONGS on November 21, 2014, 11:35:19 AM
FYI that graphic has only the top 40 in terms of comp %. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Powercat Posse on November 21, 2014, 11:54:20 AM
65 completion %
275 pass yds a game
1 real Turnover (turnover on last play of game last night is meaningless)
Team is 6-1 in conference games

I will take these numbers from my starting QB at K-State any day thru 7 Big12 games.  The guy was the best player on the field in our comeback win over Isu.  As our starting QB, he helped us win in Norman (very hard to do) and helped us win in Morgantown (Baylor didn't, Tcu barely did)

We have won 14 of our last 17 games. We probably win the Auburn game if not for a rare drop TD by Lockett and 3 missed FGs.   Our defense was helpless last year vs Ou, and 265 passing yds and 3TDs in the 1st half weren't even enough to keep us in that game.

He's not as good as Bishop, Klein or Ell.  But then again 2 of those 3 were Heisman finalists. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Yard Dog on November 21, 2014, 12:01:25 PM
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on November 21, 2014, 12:08:18 PM
everyone wants him to be better, something even Jake would agree to
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Mr Bread on November 21, 2014, 12:10:12 PM
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.

Yes yard dog, excellent point that when you get your dick kicked out the back of your ass people look at you differently. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 12:11:17 PM
lol
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 21, 2014, 12:35:15 PM
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB.  Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home.  We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 21, 2014, 12:36:28 PM
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB.  Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home.  We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me. 

To be fair, that's not much different than any other year.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 21, 2014, 12:42:39 PM
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB.  Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home.  We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me. 

To be fair, that's not much different than any other year.

Yeah and I hate our QB every year (since 03).   I didn't like Klein.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2014, 12:43:42 PM
The only thing I can tell from that graphic is that our Jake Waters isn't very different from Heisman Trophy winner Jameis Winston.

Not if you're one of the people touting completion percentage
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 21, 2014, 12:45:33 PM
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.

LOL, no he wasn't
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fedor on November 21, 2014, 01:14:45 PM
The run game was crap because WVU was selling out to stop it. This opened up the pass game, and Waters was good enough to take what the defense was giving him. That's not to say Waters is bad, just that the lack of a running game didn't really make things harder for him. A poor running game only makes things harder on the QB when it allows the defense to play the pass.
This guy...

How often does Jake Waters throw for 400 yards when the running game is working?
Yards should not be a metric, game was extended by inability to burn clock. 
The lower the rushing total the better the QB rating is really your point here is it?

No, it really depends on why the rushing yards are low. If the defense is selling out with a bear front and run blitzes to stop the run, you should have a good day passing. If the defense is just running a base 4-2-5 and you can't run, you probably aren't going to be able to pass, either.
I see your point but it certainly isn't that simple.  That type of defense does limit some of the passing game, and it generally takes an above average QB to really take advantage of it.  Absolutely no running game leads to a lot of third and longs and a blitz coming limits how long you can wait to get open against m2m (except for TLBL, stud obvs).
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Yard Dog on November 21, 2014, 03:26:28 PM
We can only beat teams that suck with jake as our QB.  Auburn has 3 losses now in the SEC and will probably get a fourth against bama and we couldn't beat those losers at home.  We have no chance of winning against teams that are actually good, that is what bothers me.

If i remember right TLBL wasn't at 100% yet for this game. Was he returning kicks yet at the Auburn game? I can't remember. Either way, had TLBL been 100% healthy that would have been an easy W.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 05:37:50 PM
I know Carnes is carnsing, but I'd say victories at OU and WV debunk his dumbass theory. :th_twocents:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 21, 2014, 06:07:50 PM
I know Carnes is carnsing, but I'd say victories at OU and WV debunk his dumbass theory. :th_twocents:

Yeah, those teams are awesome
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on November 21, 2014, 06:22:51 PM
I am happy that Jake is our QB. Is he the best we've ever had? No. But the Cats are 14-3 in their last 17 games and he's been a big part of that.

Why did you use 17 games?  Is that how many he has started?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 06:35:39 PM
I know Carnes is carnsing, but I'd say victories at OU and WV debunk his dumbass theory. :th_twocents:

Yeah, those teams are awesome
One of those teams has 10x the talent that we'll ever have. But yeah, you're right, what a bum ass season.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Winters on November 21, 2014, 06:55:17 PM
EVERYONE SHUT THE HELL UP.

I JUST WANT TO WIN THE GOD DAMN DR PEPPER!

BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: mocat on November 21, 2014, 07:02:46 PM
Wacky I swear if you bring up Sams again so help me I will just lose it
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: mocat on November 21, 2014, 07:03:15 PM
I mean you are the only person who brings him up, ever
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DOD Take 2 on November 21, 2014, 07:06:08 PM
Charles Jones not being 100% kills our run game. Jake also not pulling on reads was hard to watch. Out O-line is garbage when it comes to run block for designed handoffs. Has there ever been a team that's so awful in run blocking but so good in pass blocking? Waters has had time to throw the whole year
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 07:08:58 PM
I mean you are the only person who brings him up, ever
Sorry if I'm the only one who talks about the elephant in the room, but he's the main reason everyone turned on Waters. To deny that would be close to insanity.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: PowercatPat on November 21, 2014, 07:11:21 PM
Charles Jones not being 100% kills our run game. Jake also not pulling on reads was hard to watch. Out O-line is garbage when it comes to run block for designed handoffs. Has there ever been a team that's so awful in run blocking but so good in pass blocking? Waters has had time to throw the whole year

Yeah not sure why he didn't pull on a lot of those read options.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: mocat on November 21, 2014, 07:13:46 PM
I mean you are the only person who brings him up, ever
Sorry if I'm the only one who talks about the elephant in the room, but he's the main reason everyone turned on Waters. To deny that would be close to insanity.

You are completely wrong here and I'm not gEing
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 07:15:39 PM
Not really. Expand yourself, mocat.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 07:20:34 PM
You need to get Sams out of your head wacky. He's gone. Let it go.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 07:28:08 PM
My point is if there was no Sams to begin with, Waters would be viewed differently on this board. I don't think I'm too far off base here. Now time for some hunger games! :drool:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 21, 2014, 07:30:46 PM
He'd probably be compared to collin klein more I guess, which wouldn't be a good look.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 07:50:02 PM
Well to be fair, some wanted Klein to sit over Sams (@trim, did I do that right?).
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Winters on November 21, 2014, 07:50:43 PM
He'd probably be compared to collin klein more I guess, which wouldn't be a good look.
Will Jake call the next cats QB on the telephone? Stay tuned.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 21, 2014, 07:58:23 PM
waters is pussy matt miller
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on November 21, 2014, 08:14:34 PM
He'd probably be compared to collin klein more I guess, which wouldn't be a good look.

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 08:28:43 PM
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on November 21, 2014, 08:29:58 PM
Just enjoy hunger games wacky and take a night off from defending Jake
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 21, 2014, 08:30:32 PM
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

that led to 19 offensive points
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 21, 2014, 09:22:52 PM
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

that led to 19 offensive points
Did we win?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 21, 2014, 10:14:05 PM

Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

that led to 19 offensive points
Did we win?
Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 21, 2014, 10:17:22 PM

Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

that led to 19 offensive points
Did we win?
Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.

yeah, and wvu played a near flawless game
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on November 21, 2014, 10:18:37 PM


Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

that led to 19 offensive points
Did we win?
Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.

yeah, and wvu played a near flawless game
Good way to evaluate QB play
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 21, 2014, 11:01:01 PM
Charles Jones not being 100% kills our run game. Jake also not pulling on reads was hard to watch. Out O-line is garbage when it comes to run block for designed handoffs. Has there ever been a team that's so awful in run blocking but so good in pass blocking? Waters has had time to throw the whole year
WTF do you want, a O-line like the start of last season.  This is a very good O-line for what they need to be doing.  Jake had an average of 5-8 seconds to pass, when most NFL O-lines give a QB about 3-5 seconds.  I swear you dwebs need to stick to the BB board, and maybe you'll come across as someone with sports intelligence.  What a bunch pussy mocking birds around here.   :facepalm:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on November 21, 2014, 11:07:09 PM

Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

that led to 19 offensive points
Did we win?
Yes, despite zero help from the RBs and a dropped TD pass.

yeah, and wvu played a near flawless game
Kimmy, you are so full of crap you may need a powerful laxative to clear you out.  I suppose you were to busy complaining about our pro QB style of play to listen to Horsewoman talk about what a shitty mistake prone team play they had.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Jabeez on November 22, 2014, 12:09:04 AM
These threads are funny. Jake Waters is streaky during every game, this is why we all argue about him being good or bad, because he does both.

Bad Jake becomes "footsteps" Falco to me.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2014, 10:46:26 AM
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

When was the last time we had a qb lose to a d2 team
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 10:51:27 AM
Oh Jesus. When was the last time we had a qb throw for 400?

When was the last time we had a qb lose to a d2 team
You're still on last year, huh?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 22, 2014, 10:53:47 AM
wacky, you need to stop bringing up Sams.

Waters isn't always a pretty player. I think he's a more effective QB for K-State than most on this board, but there are many facts about his career here that are not disputable and I won't dispute those. I think the back and forth about him is often stupid, but its part of the position. I like being a fan of a team that is pretty good; maybe not great, but pretty damn good. I think Jake has played a significant role in that success.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 22, 2014, 10:55:23 AM
If he beats Baylor his legacy will be that of a conference champion that ended his senior season beating a top 5 team on the road. His legacy is not yet set.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Benja on November 22, 2014, 11:11:51 AM
What's crazy is that Jake was starting to appear on Heisman lists the week before the TCU game. They don't mention you there if you are subpar that late in the season. You reverse the outcome of the TCU game and we are in the top 3 and Jake is in the top 3 for Heisman. Crazy what one bad performance can do to a team and one player's rep.

Yes yard dog, excellent point that when you get your dick kicked out the back of your ass people look at you differently. 

Jesus christ bread :thumbs:
Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 12:38:02 PM
Here's where I'd rank the QBs in my time paying attention to KSU that started a large number of games:

Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Freeman
Beasley
Waters
Coffman/Gregory combo
Meier/Webb combo
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Trim on November 22, 2014, 12:43:02 PM
Well to be fair, some wanted Klein to sit over Sams (@trim, did I do that right?).

This advice sd and others have given you repeatedly -

You need to get Sams out of your head wacky. He's gone. Let it go.

- include me w/Sams.  It's been over a year.  I'm not coming back.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 22, 2014, 12:43:28 PM
Here's where I'd rank the QBs in my time paying attention to KSU that started a large number of games:

Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Freeman
Beasley
Waters
Coffman
Meier/Webb combo
how could you forget:?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Trim on November 22, 2014, 12:44:53 PM
For those that have seen enough, probably just don't watch these next 3 games.  It's a near certainty they'll be boring, uneventful and inconsequential. 
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 12:45:40 PM
I didn't forget him but don't know if he started enough games to qualify. I'll lump him with Coffman.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2014, 01:21:30 PM
Here's where I'd rank the QBs in my time paying attention to KSU that started a large number of games:

Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Freeman
Beasley
Waters
Coffman/Gregory combo
Meier/Webb combo

Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Beasley
Matt Miller
Freeman
May
Waters
Brian Kavanaugh
Meier/Webb
Coffman/Gregory
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2014, 01:23:06 PM
You could probably talk me in to putting Waters ahead of Chad May.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 01:42:29 PM
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kim carnes on November 22, 2014, 01:56:06 PM
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.

if waters played on the teams that freeman did we probably wouldn't have a conference win.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 22, 2014, 01:58:34 PM
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.

Take a lap, man.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Stevesie60 on November 22, 2014, 02:04:09 PM
Any list that has Waters below Freeman is not a good list.

WACK ATTACK!!!!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2014, 02:12:42 PM
fire up the fanningstuff thread
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 02:41:27 PM
I have a hard time putting a guy who didn't have a win over KU, MU, and Nebraska ahead of Waters. Especially with his TD-Interception ratio. :dunno:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2014, 02:43:15 PM
Waters doesn't have a win over Nebraska or MU
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 02:46:35 PM
If you put took 100 football coaches at any level and said you have to replace your current QB with either Jake Waters or Josh Freeman all 100 would take Josh Freeman. That includes LHC Bill Snyder.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 02:47:38 PM
Are we judging this on numbers or who we think is better? :confused:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 02:48:56 PM
Are we judging this on numbers or who we think is better? :confused:

my list was how I'd rank them. It's a subjective ranking based on my personal feel. how you or anyone else ranks them is up to you.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2014, 02:49:28 PM
my list looks just like kat kid's list so i feel his is right
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 02:50:25 PM
Are we judging this on numbers or who we think is better? :confused:

but if you're going off of stats (and you seem to be given your parading of Waters 400 yard passing game) you should know that Josh Freeman is both the single season and career leader in passing yards at KSU despite going pro early.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2014, 02:51:35 PM
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1.  But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 02:51:59 PM
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1.  But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

same
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 02:53:30 PM
 :D
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 22, 2014, 02:55:43 PM
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1.  But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
I would still have Bishop and Ell above Freems as a cfb qb
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2014, 02:57:44 PM
If I judged it on pure talent/potential, Freeman would be #1.  But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.
I would still have Bishop and Ell above Freems as a cfb qb

There is no reasonable defense of Ell over Freems based upon talent/potential.  Ell was incredibly flawed, which is why I loved him so much.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 03:17:40 PM
I wish Freeman didn't flame out in the NFL.  :frown: He's like our Beasley of football. :frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 22, 2014, 03:22:10 PM
I might flip flop Freeman and Beasley on SD's list but maybe not. Its a good list SD
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 03:23:27 PM
I might flip flop Freeman and Beasley on SD's list but maybe not. Its a good list SD

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Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 22, 2014, 03:26:05 PM
no reasonable defense?  Ell had flaws? 

If you are giving Freems credit for putting up numbers on mediocre to bad teams I would give more credit to Ell for making a mediocre to bad team conference champions with the way the cats looked without him v Marshall and how the team crated in 04 with Sproles and 11 other returning starters.

Hell, Freeman may have had as much NFL talent at the skill positions as Ell played with when you consider Jordy is an NFL stud, Mastrud had a decent career and guys like Figurs, Clayton and Johnson actually got snaps in nfl games.



Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 03:28:07 PM
I wish Freeman didn't flame out in the NFL.  :frown: He's like our Beasley of football. :frown:

well, he started 61 games at QB in the NFL
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 22, 2014, 03:28:47 PM
no reasonable defense?  Ell had flaws? 

If you are giving Freems credit for putting up numbers on mediocre to bad teams I would give more credit to Ell for making a mediocre to bad team conference champions with the way the cats looked without him v Marshall and how the team crated in 04 with Sproles and 11 other returning starters.

Hell, Freeman may have had as much NFL talent at the skill positions as Ell played with when you consider Jordy is an NFL stud, Mastrud had a decent career and guys like Figurs, Clayton and Johnson actually got snaps in nfl games.

also Freeman himself had a reasonably long NFL career. so he's got that built in advantage too.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2014, 03:45:30 PM
no reasonable defense?  Ell had flaws? 

If you are giving Freems credit for putting up numbers on mediocre to bad teams I would give more credit to Ell for making a mediocre to bad team conference champions with the way the cats looked without him v Marshall and how the team crated in 04 with Sproles and 11 other returning starters.

Hell, Freeman may have had as much NFL talent at the skill positions as Ell played with when you consider Jordy is an NFL stud, Mastrud had a decent career and guys like Figurs, Clayton and Johnson actually got snaps in nfl games.

When I think talent/potential I am thinking 6'6" golden armed Adonis NFL prospect QB vs. 6'1" accuracy challenged run-first QB.  What does talent/potential mean to you?

I ranked them the way I did because of the stuff you are talking about.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: PoetWarrior on November 22, 2014, 03:56:42 PM
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

How can you be sure?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 8manpick on November 22, 2014, 04:35:29 PM
But Jake has a really high completion %
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 04:59:13 PM
But Jake has a really high completion %
Yup. #1 in K-States history. :) Great point, 8man.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on November 22, 2014, 05:12:39 PM
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

How can you be sure?

holy crap I laughed hard at that.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 22, 2014, 05:47:32 PM
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

How can you be sure?

holy crap I laughed hard at that.
Why?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: wetwillie on November 22, 2014, 05:52:52 PM
He has played to his ceiling of potential.  I  appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been.  Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bucket on November 22, 2014, 06:16:53 PM
He has played to his ceiling of potential.  I  appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been.  Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.

Really need a middle finger emoticon
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2014, 06:18:36 PM
He has played to his ceiling of potential.  I  appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been.  Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.

Really need a middle finger emoticon

There is  :Flipped off x2:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: bucket on November 22, 2014, 06:20:43 PM
He has played to his ceiling of potential.  I  appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been.  Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.

 :Flipped off x2:

Thanks, cfbandyman  :D
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 22, 2014, 06:23:51 PM
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

How can you be sure?

holy crap I laughed hard at that.
Why?

Because it was unexpected and funny. I LOL'd a bit myself
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Post by: star seed 7 on November 22, 2014, 06:31:58 PM
i laughed a little.  like a giggle  :D
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Post by: catzacker on November 22, 2014, 08:11:53 PM
But I am a human with emotions and memories not a robot.

How can you be sure?

holy crap I laughed hard at that.
Why?

because.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 22, 2014, 08:51:16 PM
bishop
roberson
klein
may/freeman tie
beasley
miller
waters

also these are players ranked on who i would want for a quarterback at ksu with snyds as coach. not ranked if i was a gm for the atlanta falcons or something.
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Post by: cfbandyman on November 22, 2014, 08:59:55 PM
He has played to his ceiling of potential.  I  appreciate that he worked hard to be about as good as his talent level could have been.  Can't really be that surprised that an Iowa native isn't very mentally tough.

 :Flipped off x2:

Thanks, cfbandyman  :D

np  :thumbsup:
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Post by: Kat Kid on November 22, 2014, 10:43:39 PM
bishop
roberson
klein
may/freeman tie
beasley
miller
waters

also these are players ranked on who i would want for a quarterback at ksu with snyds as coach. not ranked if i was a gm for the atlanta falcons or something.

May above Miller and Beasley?
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 22, 2014, 11:12:04 PM
bishop
roberson
klein
may/freeman tie
beasley
miller
waters

also these are players ranked on who i would want for a quarterback at ksu with snyds as coach. not ranked if i was a gm for the atlanta falcons or something.

May above Miller and Beasley?

for me yeah. much better arm than both and bad ass tough guy shtick from a college qb is always good.

also, i bet you don't know that he lead the big 8 in passing completions and yards both years he was a starter and also finished 7th in rushing touchdowns in '93. he was very, very good. also a 4th round nfl draft pick if that type of stuff matters to you. higher than every qb but freeman. he's the danny tartabull of ksu quarterbacks.
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Post by: michigancat on November 22, 2014, 11:17:29 PM
I really wanted to use the chad may gun gif here with "you betcha" in putting May in front of Beasley and Miller. He was straight slinging crap back then.
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Post by: bucket on November 23, 2014, 12:04:45 AM
Heard Chad May was a dick. Anyone else?
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Post by: michigancat on November 23, 2014, 12:22:11 AM
I'm more interested in the gif of chad may holding dry ice so it looks like smoke after he fired his finger gun
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Post by: Stevesie60 on November 23, 2014, 12:25:37 AM
Heard Chad May was a dick. Anyone else?

Heard he used to do a bunch of blow with Rusty Wilson and then chase kids in the neighborhood in Rusty's golf cart.
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Post by: Trim on November 23, 2014, 12:39:00 AM
My enjoyment of real life cat football offense completely matches how I played cat offense on playstation football, so I'll take Bishop, Roberson and Sams and move the rest to safety or something.
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Post by: mocat on November 23, 2014, 01:48:18 AM
Wacky who gives a crap if he was better than insert quarterback name, that's not the point of my post. You keep bringing up Sams as if that's the reason people critique waters, which is just terrible message boarding as well as terrible fanning
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Post by: mocat on November 23, 2014, 01:49:19 AM
And I'm using fanning as a verb here, not related to your well documented name IRL
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Post by: Stevesie60 on November 23, 2014, 02:01:46 AM
:lol:
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Post by: ednksu on November 23, 2014, 04:31:22 AM
I'm more interested in the gif of chad may holding dry ice so it looks like smoke after he fired his finger gun
:surprised:
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Post by: chum1 on November 23, 2014, 06:51:44 AM
Agree that everyone has May too low. And Klein too high for similar reasons. He was SUPER BORING all around.
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Post by: chum1 on November 23, 2014, 07:39:48 AM
Refresh your memory by reading these quotes and then redo your rankings.

http://waitingtillmarriage.org/ksu-quarterback-collin-kleins-first-kiss-was-at-the-alter/
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 23, 2014, 07:40:04 AM
Settle down mocat. Good grief.
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Post by: chum1 on November 23, 2014, 07:52:16 AM
"COCKY AND TOUGH"

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tradingcarddb.com%2FImages%2FCards%2FFootball%2F3604%2F3604-889292Bk.jpg&hash=48f3c465781ff39cd2c3bf6968f3d11f55abc846)

http://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/3604/cid/889292/1995-Sportflix-137-Chad-May
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Post by: steve dave on November 23, 2014, 09:13:46 AM
I wasn't really following football when May was QB. I mean I was aware of him but I didn't regularly watch or attend entire KSU games until Bishop so I can't judge him or miller or kavenaugh
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 23, 2014, 09:48:40 AM
I wasn't really following football when May was QB. I mean I was aware of him but I didn't regularly watch or attend entire KSU games until Bishop so I can't judge him or miller or kavenaugh

may was great and kind of a rockstar because california and kind of being irl dick and because first bowl game ever under snyder. like, may showed up and boom we were a 9-2 team out of nowhere and all of the sudden we're studs and we have this stud from california studding it up for all of us. miller was waters but tougher. kavanaugh was coffman. that's pretty much it.
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Post by: SleepFighter on November 23, 2014, 11:11:09 AM
May coming on the heels of Smargiasso also increased his comparative stud status. I mean, I can't even imagine the gEing that would happen if we had Smargiasso at QB. Prototypical FP, TC, etc. And then bam... May steps in and is doing stuff like throwing for 489 in Lincoln.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2014, 05:10:51 PM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
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Post by: TownieCat on November 23, 2014, 06:29:57 PM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.
He also lost to Iowa St.
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Post by: SleepFighter on November 23, 2014, 07:22:45 PM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.

Pretty good qb's in both of those games.
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Post by: geesiskryst on November 23, 2014, 07:55:02 PM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.

May was also sacked like a bajillion times that game. gE would have had a banner day bitching about the OL.
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 23, 2014, 08:46:29 PM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.

May was also sacked like a bajillion times that game. gE would have had a banner day bitching about the OL.

Someone should put pre-Internet games on YouTube and we should gE chat them. Might be a good combo fan/summer thing.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 23, 2014, 08:51:08 PM
Refresh your memory by reading these quotes and then redo your rankings.

http://waitingtillmarriage.org/ksu-quarterback-collin-kleins-first-kiss-was-at-the-alter/

He won a Big XII title so he gets to stay ranked #2
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Post by: nicname on November 23, 2014, 09:11:09 PM
It would be interesting to see how the range of emotions and attitudes from current gE'rs would translate to the beginning of Snyder 1.0 onward. I mean, it was basically a party from 1991-2000 with a crappy 1992 thrown in. Hard to be cynical when you've never been good. By 1997-98 there would have been some opportunity for frustration, but not really before.

I guess we could go back and look at the early ksufans bball days, and the transition from Wooly to Huggs then Martin, but it still wouldn't really compare.

Side thought: gE bball bbsing during the rise of Snyder 1.0 would have been something else. Sys would have been a delight.

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Post by: Missouriscribe on November 23, 2014, 09:56:05 PM
It would be interesting to see how the range of emotions and attitudes from current gE'rs would translate to the beginning of Snyder 1.0 onward. I mean, it was basically a party from 1991-2000 with a crappy 1992 thrown in. Hard to be cynical when you've never been good. By 1997-98 there would have been some opportunity for frustration, but not really before.

I guess we could go back and look at the early ksufans bball days, and the transition from Wooly to Huggs then Martin, but it still wouldn't really compare.

Side thought: gE bball bbsing during the rise of Snyder 1.0 would have been something else. Sys would have been a delight.
I had season tis from 93 through 2000. You're right, even wins against UNLV and hanging within 20 of Nebraska were something then. We got a little greedy as a fanbase from 98 through 2003(the team always seemed to screw up something after winning so many other big battles), which felt pretty stupid from 05 through 08.
You can't underestimate the sadness of KSU hoops under Asbury. Half the team lived across the hall from me during the Manny Dies era. The team would devote practice time to dunking and Asbury spent recruiting budget money to fly to Chicago and watch the Bulls practice.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2014, 11:22:07 PM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.

Pretty good qb's in both of those games.

What? You're talking about the '94 Aloha and the '01 insight? No they didn't, not at all. K-State easily had the better qb in both off those games. Now both BC and Syracuse had freakish dlinemen in Mike Mamula and Dwight Freeney, but the quarterback play for both teams in both games was abhorrent.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 23, 2014, 11:27:03 PM
it's funny cause i can tell you exactly where i was and who i was with when i watched that kstate/boston college bowl game. at the time it was a bummer and very surprising, but even then i was like who gives a crap, it's just a random bowl game.
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Post by: MakeItRain on November 23, 2014, 11:34:23 PM
I remember too and I hadn't made my mind up yet to go to K-State, I hadn't even considered it. That game didn't mean a thing but it was just so bad, like the '05 KU game but with a loss instead :Yuck:
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Post by: MadCat on November 24, 2014, 09:40:54 AM
My first season watching Cats games was with Kavanaugh under center.  My roommates and I would always refer to a delay of game penalty as the "Kavanaugh play".
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Post by: pissclams on November 24, 2014, 12:26:35 PM
true kavanaugh story - his body was shaped like a pear
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Post by: michigancat on November 24, 2014, 12:37:42 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?
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Post by: steve dave on November 24, 2014, 12:41:31 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?

what a small timey program rumor  :lol:
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Post by: Panjandrum on November 24, 2014, 01:21:26 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?

what a small timey program rumor  :lol:

I saw The Program.  I want my QB on the sauce, sitting on train tracks, etc.

It's when he's not hungover, we have a problem.
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Post by: slobber on November 24, 2014, 01:22:44 PM
Wasn't there a rumor that Chad May was super hung over for the Aloha Bowl?
What a BIG timey program rumor!
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Post by: Deez Nutz on November 25, 2014, 01:03:44 PM
Here is an interesting article by Mike Lupica regarding KSU going to the Aloha Bowl and the events that took place to bump us out of the Cotton Bowl which is where we should have been.  Many people don't remember it now, but we did get hosed pretty bad in the bowl selection because 6-4-1 Notre Dame got to go to the Fiesta, setting off a chain reaction similar to 1998 when we got pushed down to the Alamo.  In both cases we drew terrible match-ups in the bowl and lost to lower-ranked teams.  Been waiting for a chance to post this for years now, but it's pretty rare that the Aloha gets brought up on gE.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-02/sports/sp-3871_1_notre-dame (http://articles.latimes.com/1994-12-02/sports/sp-3871_1_notre-dame)

Quote
"We're a product of a system that doesn't seem to work very well," Snyder said from his office in Manhattan, Kan. "I'm angry about the treatment we've gotten, my players are angry, our fans are angry. But our problem is a problem you run into a lot at this time of year: You don't know where to vent your anger. There isn't an individual or an institution who really seems to be in charge. You just hold it in."
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 25, 2014, 02:01:58 PM
Quote from: ESPN Big 12 blog guy
Kansas State: Is Jake Waters the Big 12’s top clutch signal-caller? The senior has a Big 12-best 79.8 raw QBR on third down. He completes 63.1 percent of his passes, averages 12.42 yards per completion and is sacked just 2.3 percent of the time on third down. Waters is a key reason the Wildcats’ offense is so efficient and productive.
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Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2014, 02:57:13 PM
_FAN, do your QB rankings
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 25, 2014, 03:03:31 PM
_FAN, do your QB rankings

_FAN Top 10.

Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Beasley
Waters
Freeman
May
Miller
Coffman
Kavannah

1-4 is solid. 5-8 is could be mixed in any order. Then 9 and 10.
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Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2014, 03:04:48 PM
 :sdeek:
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Post by: CNS on November 25, 2014, 03:06:08 PM
I wasn't around for Kavannah, but goodness, if he is after Carsy.....
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 25, 2014, 03:11:47 PM
I wasn't around for Kavannah, but goodness, if he is after Carsy.....

Kavannah had a great defense and was just okay. I think Carson could have done the same thing playing then. Plus, Kavannah was probably the least mobile/athletic QB of any at K-State IMHO.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 25, 2014, 03:14:33 PM
i think people way overvalue beasley and way undervalue may. jmo. you switch them with the teams they were on and everyone here would have may top four.

also it's crazy how similar kav and carsy were. i said it earlier but they were very, very similar in terms of strengths/weaknesses. interchangeable.
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Post by: 'taterblast on November 25, 2014, 03:15:37 PM
waters over freeman. man, i dunno.

i guess it goes back to the debate which is: are you ranking who is the better QB, or who had the better career at QB while at k-state?

because waters over freeman, i mean...
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 25, 2014, 03:20:11 PM
i think people way overvalue beasley and way undervalue may. jmo. you switch them with the teams they were on and everyone here would have may top four.

also it's crazy how similar kav and carsy were. i said it earlier but they were very, very similar in terms of strengths/weaknesses. interchangeable.

Here's the thing (I remember you had a favorable view of Carsy too) he wasn't a terrible player and the 2010 offense was actually pretty solid even though he got constantly critiqued (some of it earned). The 2010 offense was 3rd in points per play since 2000. 4th in plays per TO. 6th in yards per play. Overall probably the 4th or 5th best offense (from some pretty good offenses) since 2000 from Snyder coached teams.

waters over freeman. man, i dunno.

i guess it goes back to the debate which is: are you ranking who is the better QB, or who had the better career at QB while at k-state?

because waters over freeman, i mean...

Clearly Freeman is the way more talented QB, but I won't apologize if I don't look favorably at a guy that never beat KU, MU, or NU and often played terrible against those teams. Part of that is the teams he was on the coach he was under, but I can't get past that just because he was talented.

As I said; Waters, Freeman, May, and Miller are nearly interchangeable depending on my mood that day on my list. Basically a 4 way tie for 5th. JMHO.
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Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 25, 2014, 03:33:16 PM
I always thought Allen Everidge was pretty good.
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Post by: Deez Nutz on November 25, 2014, 03:36:00 PM
I wasn't around for Kavannah, but goodness, if he is after Carsy.....

Kavannah had a great defense and was just okay. I think Carson could have done the same thing playing then. Plus, Kavannah was probably the least mobile/athletic QB of any at K-State IMHO.

My impression was that Kavannah was quite a bit better than Coffman, but looking at their overall stats, they are very similar to each other.  I would still put Kavannah a little bit ahead.  Kavannah had four 4-TD games including the '95 Holiday Bowl when Miller got injured early on.  I was just very impressed by his play in that particular game and thought he did very well in his year of playing the starter, but he definitely had a better defense.
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 03:43:06 PM
I always thought Allen Everidge was pretty good.
at getting skettied maybe
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 03:46:23 PM
even though nobody cares ill post mine

Bishop
Roberson
klein
Beasley
Freeman
waters
May
Miller
Con queso
kavanaugh-also did not watch him play much, tape ive seen look very dylany
gg-guy was nails with two broken wings
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Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on November 25, 2014, 03:48:17 PM
any top 10 list without grant gregory is wrong.
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Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on November 25, 2014, 03:48:49 PM
ok maybe i just like the IDEA of grant gregory. he kinda sucked.
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Post by: CHONGS on November 25, 2014, 03:56:09 PM
I honestly think Matt Miller is the closest comparo we have to Jake. 
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Post by: Kat Kid on November 25, 2014, 04:02:31 PM
Miller is clearly better than May to me.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 04:02:50 PM
_FAN, do your QB rankings

_FAN Top 10.

Bishop
Klein
Roberson
Beasley
Waters
Freeman

May
Miller
Coffman
Kavannah

1-4 is solid. 5-8 is could be mixed in any order. Then 9 and 10.
:gocho:
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 04:06:06 PM
jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any order
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 04:07:54 PM
jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any order
Chill out, slim. You military hater, psycho. Sheesh.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 25, 2014, 04:08:35 PM
may was a badass caflifornia bread gunslinger w/ an attitude and the fact that none of you dorks know that or anything about him kind of saddens me. so here goes...

may put kstate on the map w/ it's first bowl game under snyder and it's first 9 win season. then he followed it up with another bowl game and another 9 win season. also, this was back when the regular season was 11 games.

he was drafted in the 4th round of the nfl draft.

he lead the big 8 in passing yards and passing touchdowns both years he played.

he also finished seventh in rushing touchdowns one year.

he only lost four regular season games in two years. two to nebraska who won the national championship one of those years and lost in the national championship game the other. he also lost one to colorado that finished 3rd nationally. so four losses in two years and three of them were to teams that finished the bowl season ranked in the top 3.


waters over may? maybe the dumbest thing i've read on here in the last year.
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 04:10:33 PM
jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any order
Chill out, slim. You military hater, psycho. Sheesh.
what?
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on November 25, 2014, 04:13:36 PM
Miller is clearly better than May to me.

yeah. clearly.  :lol:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 04:15:35 PM
jesus christ fanning, he said 5-8 could be mixed in any order
Chill out, slim. You military hater, psycho. Sheesh.
what?

KK, My work is giving us that Tuesday off, if you're still free. KC pak?

What in the world?
Veterans day.  :confused:
stupid ass holiday
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 04:16:29 PM
god dammit fanning im in the military. that was a joke you idiot
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 04:19:51 PM
It was poorly executed.  :dunno: Also, settle the eff down.  :thumbsup:
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 04:21:27 PM
It was poorly executed.  :dunno: Also, settle the eff down.  :thumbsup:
not to the people that knew the context of it, and im perfectly fine but we all get that you love waters and will find any reason to validate him. its fine to do that but you do it so much its almost unbearable
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 04:24:38 PM
It was poorly executed.  :dunno: Also, settle the eff down.  :thumbsup:
not to the people that knew the context of it, and im perfectly fine but we all get that you love waters and will find any reason to validate him. its fine to do that but you do it so much its almost unbearable
Well, if you followed along in this thread, we had a debate a few pages back between lists with Freeman ahead of Waters due to records, success, etc. It was nice to see a refreshing post from someone else who might think the sameway that I do. You think you're tired of my posts? Try reading about a thousand of opposition posts everyday on this board and then get back to me. It was relevant.
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 04:29:09 PM
It was poorly executed.  :dunno: Also, settle the eff down.  :thumbsup:
not to the people that knew the context of it, and im perfectly fine but we all get that you love waters and will find any reason to validate him. its fine to do that but you do it so much its almost unbearable
Well, if you followed along in this thread, we had a debate a few pages back between lists with Freeman ahead of Waters due to records, success, etc. It was nice to see a refreshing post from someone else who might think the sameway that I do. You think you're tired of my posts, Try reading about a thousand of opposition posts everyday on this board and then get back to me. It was relevant.
ive read this entire thread, jake is a good college qb you wont find that many who will argue that. but to continue to seek validation is sad
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Post by: CHONGS on November 25, 2014, 04:42:50 PM
quit muddying up the waters in this thread!

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfacewhen.net%2Fuploads%2F3302-happy-dog-is-happy.jpg&hash=ccb1bb63c0e25f1a70ad7200c4cab146a159aad3)
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Post by: pissclams on November 25, 2014, 04:55:11 PM

may was a badass caflifornia bread gunslinger w/ an attitude and the fact that none of you dorks know that or anything about him kind of saddens me. so here goes...

may put kstate on the map w/ it's first bowl game under snyder and it's first 9 win season. then he followed it up with another bowl game and another 9 win season. also, this was back when the regular season was 11 games.

he was drafted in the 4th round of the nfl draft.

he lead the big 8 in passing yards and passing touchdowns both years he played.

he also finished seventh in rushing touchdowns one year.

he only lost four regular season games in two years. two to nebraska who won the national championship one of those years and lost in the national championship game the other. he also lost one to colorado that finished 3rd nationally. so four losses in two years and three of them were to teams that finished the bowl season ranked in the top 3.


waters over may? maybe the dumbest thing i've read on here in the last year.

very good May summary - I think most here are too young to understand how good he was

Beasley is also getting a shitload too much credit here
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on November 25, 2014, 05:05:07 PM
Here's the thing (I remember you had a favorable view of Carsy too) he wasn't a terrible player and the 2010 offense was actually pretty solid even though he got constantly critiqued (some of it earned). The 2010 offense was 3rd in points per play since 2000. 4th in plays per TO. 6th in yards per play. Overall probably the 4th or 5th best offense (from some pretty good offenses) since 2000 from Snyder coached teams.
Yeah.  But I always tend to handicap CCQ because Daniel Thomas was on the team. 

I've never seen a single running back (Sproles included) carry an offense like DT did.
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Post by: kslim on November 25, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
quit muddying up the waters in this thread!

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.myfacewhen.net%2Fuploads%2F3302-happy-dog-is-happy.jpg&hash=ccb1bb63c0e25f1a70ad7200c4cab146a159aad3)
sorry, sorry fanman lets go beat zona tonight #1cat
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2014, 05:21:44 PM
Nebraska hired some NFL coaches as consultants to try to figure out how to stop May in his senior season.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 05:23:32 PM
Cats! #1cat Also, I agree May is very underrated in this thread. He was really fun to watch.
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Post by: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 05:30:35 PM
Good rankings in this thread. I'd say if Waters somehow beat KU, Baylor, and won the bowl game you could make a serious case for him as 4th best KSU QB in Snyder's tenure.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 25, 2014, 05:47:45 PM
If that happens Waters would be the most accomplished, no doubt.

I would still want to put him no higher than 3rd
Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on November 25, 2014, 09:05:52 PM
If that happened he'd only be the 4th or 5th most accomplished
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Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2014, 09:18:37 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!
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Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2014, 09:20:40 PM
That's HUGE!!!!!
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Post by: 2perSam on November 25, 2014, 09:26:13 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!

Beasley won two bowl games:

1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2014, 09:38:12 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!

Beasley won two bowl games:

1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)

He won three.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 2perSam on November 25, 2014, 09:51:07 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!

Beasley won two bowl games:

1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)

He won three.

He won two.  Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001.  Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000).  Redshirted in 1998.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on November 25, 2014, 09:52:59 PM
There would probably be more value placed in winning bowl games if this was still a thing:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-HQy-Nxg_q8

K-State0MG THATS INCREDIBLE  :love:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2014, 09:56:13 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!

Beasley won two bowl games:

1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)

He won three.

He won two.  Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001.  Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000).  Redshirted in 1998.

So, Beasley won two bowls and one conference championship?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 25, 2014, 09:57:16 PM

may was a badass caflifornia bread gunslinger w/ an attitude and the fact that none of you dorks know that or anything about him kind of saddens me. so here goes...

may put kstate on the map w/ it's first bowl game under snyder and it's first 9 win season. then he followed it up with another bowl game and another 9 win season. also, this was back when the regular season was 11 games.

he was drafted in the 4th round of the nfl draft.

he lead the big 8 in passing yards and passing touchdowns both years he played.

he also finished seventh in rushing touchdowns one year.

he only lost four regular season games in two years. two to nebraska who won the national championship one of those years and lost in the national championship game the other. he also lost one to colorado that finished 3rd nationally. so four losses in two years and three of them were to teams that finished the bowl season ranked in the top 3.


waters over may? maybe the dumbest thing i've read on here in the last year.

very good May summary - I think most here are too young to understand how good he was

Beasley is also getting a shitload too much credit here

Good points about May. He did some special things here and was very good.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 2perSam on November 25, 2014, 10:02:08 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!

Beasley won two bowl games:

1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)

He won three.

He won two.  Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001.  Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000).  Redshirted in 1998.

So, Beasley won two bowls and one conference championship?

No.  In 1999, K-State was the Co-North Division Champs with Nebraska, but the 'Fuskers played for the Conference Championship because they defeated us 41-15 and went on the beat Texas in the rematch for the Big XII Title.  We lost to Oklahoma 27-24 in the 2000 Conference Championship Game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: chum1 on November 25, 2014, 10:05:55 PM
First QB to win two bowl games!!!!!

Beasley won two bowl games:

1999 Holiday Bowl
2001 Cotton Bowl (2000 Season)

He won three.

He won two.  Bishop's team lost the Alamo in 1998 and The Roberson/Dunn Project lost the Insight in 2001.  Beasley was a two-year starter ('99 and 2000).  Redshirted in 1998.

So, Beasley won two bowls and one conference championship?

No.  In 1999, K-State was the Co-North Division Champs with Nebraska, but the 'Fuskers played for the Conference Championship because they defeated us 41-15 and went on the beat Texas in the rematch for the Big XII Title.  We lost to Oklahoma 27-24 in the 2000 Conference Championship Game.

Agree. Waters will be the all time best if he wins out.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pvegs on November 25, 2014, 10:19:02 PM
Did anyone actually read what I posted. I said if he won out you could make a solid argument for Waters as 4th best.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on November 25, 2014, 11:34:45 PM
Did anyone actually read what I posted. I said if he won out you could make a solid argument for Waters as 4th best.

Did you actually read what steve dave posted? We've already been over people conflating accomplishments with quality.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 25, 2014, 11:43:18 PM
Waters only gets most accomplished if he beats a P5 team in the bowl game - a win over Boise in the Fiesta or Marshall in Cotton won't do it

That said, winning a ten team rr league with only one loss with only 4 home games is >>> than a division title
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 11:46:54 PM
Waters only gets most accomplished if he beats a P5 team in the bowl game - a win over Boise in the Fiesta or Marshall in Cotton won't do it

That said, winning a ten team rr league with only one loss with only 4 home games is >>> than a division title
He won't play those losers, dork. If he beats Baylor on the road, he's in!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Skipper44 on November 25, 2014, 11:52:52 PM
I hope so wc08, I hope so
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 25, 2014, 11:55:01 PM
I hope so wc08, I hope so
  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on November 26, 2014, 10:04:28 AM
Rowdy remembers.



Wacky, if you were a tuck, you'd be a really good tuck.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 26, 2014, 10:08:20 AM
Rowdy remembers.



Wacky, if you were a tuck, you'd be a really good tuck.


Gonna win 'em all!
Thanks man! I know i'm a "tuck", but i'm not an overboard tuck.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on November 26, 2014, 10:20:37 AM
:lol: you're awesome.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 29, 2014, 04:25:09 PM
Jake needs to just slide
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 29, 2014, 04:37:15 PM
Waters is probably the most underrated QB since Matt Miller
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: SleepFighter on November 30, 2014, 02:53:20 AM
I can't think about Chad May without thinking about how awful his last game was. That Aloha Bowl was the Syracuse Insight Bowl of the mid 90s.

Pretty good qb's in both of those games.

What? You're talking about the '94 Aloha and the '01 insight? No they didn't, not at all. K-State easily had the better qb in both off those games. Now both BC and Syracuse had freakish dlinemen in Mike Mamula and Dwight Freeney, but the quarterback play for both teams in both games was abhorrent.

I forgot I posted in this thread, but no crap?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 30, 2014, 09:28:10 PM
FWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on November 30, 2014, 09:39:24 PM
FWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.
He also holds the record for most losses to D2 teams under Snyder.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 30, 2014, 09:51:17 PM
FWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.
He also holds the record for most losses to D2 teams under Snyder.

To be fair, he's tied with Paul Watson.

Also currently leads the Big 12 in QB rating and is 2nd in QBR.
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Post by: catzacker on November 30, 2014, 10:05:09 PM
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 30, 2014, 10:11:56 PM
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.

And RG3
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 30, 2014, 10:12:33 PM
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.

I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2014, 10:15:02 PM
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.

I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.

 :Wha:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 30, 2014, 10:18:40 PM
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.

I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.

 :Wha:

I remember zacker saying how tough he was earlier this year. It would've been a better fit for his post than the Cyclone guy.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on November 30, 2014, 10:21:47 PM
But didn't you rank him like 5th or 6th in KSU QB history _FAN?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on November 30, 2014, 10:26:09 PM
But didn't you rank him like 5th or 6th in KSU QB history _FAN?

Yes, that's correct.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: star seed 7 on November 30, 2014, 10:27:27 PM
Jake is tied with Sam Richardson for number of big 12 championships.

I'm disappointed you didn't use your boy Cummings for this one.

 :Wha:

I remember zacker saying how tough he was earlier this year. It would've been a better fit for his post than the Cyclone guy.

Yeah I know, it was a wicked burn  :D
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: everyone shut up on November 30, 2014, 10:29:06 PM
FWIW, Jake is now 3rd in career passing yards, 3rd in season passing yards, 3rd in career passing TDs, 1st in career yards per attempt, 2nd in career completion percentage, 2nd in season completion percentage, and 1st in career passing efficiency at K-State.
He also holds the record for most losses to D2 teams under Snyder.
The defense didn't do much to help jake (or daniel) win that game
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 30, 2014, 11:24:50 PM
I didn't really notice this until today, but he trails Bryce Petty in Total Offense YPG by 2.1 yards per game (302.4 to 300.3).

If we're talking about pure conference play, Waters has averaged 318.6 YPG to Petty's 301.9.

Jake is #1 in the Big 12 (in conference play) for total yards per play at any position.  He's averaging 7.82 YPP.  Boykin averages 6.99.  When factoring in all games, he's still #1 ahead of Petty, Knight, Boykin, etc.

If factoring in conference play only (to keep it fair for Petty who missed a game), Waters is #2 in Total Offense behind Boykin.  He leads Petty by 134 yards.

I think you could argue, if KSU wins on Saturday, that he's probably 2nd Team All-Big 12 QB ahead of Petty, based on stats.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Big Train on November 30, 2014, 11:34:14 PM
he has to pass tho because our run game is non-existent, so those stats are a little skewed
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Post by: chum1 on November 30, 2014, 11:49:32 PM
Wow! Amazing stats WITHOUT the threat of a run game!?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on November 30, 2014, 11:52:11 PM
he has to pass tho because our run game is non-existent, so those stats are a little skewed

His passing numbers, across the board, are better than Petty's with the exception of total yards because of Baylor's play volume.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 01, 2014, 05:22:38 AM

Miller is clearly better than May to me.

yeah. clearly.  :lol:

I mean only if you look at things like stats.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 10:48:20 PM
Jake Waters is my least favorite Wildcat of all time.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 10:49:39 PM
Jake Waters is my least favorite Wildcat of all time.

Really? You guys are weird.
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Post by: wetwillie on December 06, 2014, 10:49:47 PM
Jake Waters has the most all purpose yards in a season of all time.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: OK_Cat on December 06, 2014, 10:50:43 PM
I'd rather have Coffman
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 10:51:24 PM
I don't like him or his stupid face. congrats on the yardage record.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 10:52:09 PM
Jake Waters is my least favorite Wildcat of all time.

Really? You guys are weird.
I mean who do you dislike more?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 10:53:40 PM
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunno:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: PIPE on December 06, 2014, 10:55:18 PM
Hmmmmm, so some of u tards are blaming that int. on waters??  Yeh, burton ran one hell of a route there, didn't he?  Well, good news for you then.  Next year, burton is your go to receiver.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 10:55:27 PM
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunno:
I like most good wildcat players, too. Jake is actually the only wildcat player I can remember disliking at all.  I can't wait for him to be gone.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 10:55:54 PM
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunno:
I like most good wildcat players, too. Jake is actually the only wildcat player I can remember disliking at all.  I can't wait for him to be gone.

Okay.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on December 06, 2014, 10:56:02 PM
some people (like rusty) are just never gonna forgive waters for being from iowa or winning the job over sams or whatever it is he did
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on December 06, 2014, 10:56:15 PM
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunnoc

Jake isn't the problem, IMO.  The horrible run blocking, lack of a feature back, our complete lack of interest in really getting the TE involved in the passing game, and our strange insistence to leave guys with speed and athleticism (J. Jones, A. Davis) on the bench the majority of the year seem to stack the cards against him a bit.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on December 06, 2014, 10:56:34 PM
I'm happy with a 9-3 record.  Looks like we'll be going to another nice bowl.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on December 06, 2014, 10:57:18 PM
Hmmmmm, so some of u tards are blaming that int. on waters??  Yeh, burton ran one hell of a route there, didn't he?  Well, good news for you then.  Next year, burton is your go to receiver.

I think it's going to be Andre Davis.

I also think Judah Jones is going to be a dark horse to surprise if we just let him play.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 10:57:33 PM
I tend to like most good Wildcat players. Jake is a good Wildcat player. :dunnoc

Jake isn't the problem, IMO.  The horrible run blocking, lack of a feature back, our complete lack of interest in really getting the TE involved in the passing game, and our strange insistence to leave guys with speed and athleticism (J. Jones, A. Davis) on the bench the majority of the year seem to stack the cards against him a bit.

Yeah, and giving up 584 yards tonight didn't help either.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 10:58:20 PM
I am not blaming Jake for the loss at all. Just sharing my feelings.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 10:59:00 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 11:00:14 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

That's fair enough I suppose.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: EMAWzified on December 06, 2014, 11:01:38 PM
Sounds good in theory, doubt it would be true in practice.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: catzacker on December 06, 2014, 11:01:52 PM
I didn't like jake kind of in the same way I didn't like carson.  I wanted them both to be better than they were, and I didn't like their face.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 06, 2014, 11:02:20 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

I liked this year way more than any stupid Josh Freeman year.  I really, really liked the Texas wins, but that was because we sucked and it was so unexpected.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: puniraptor on December 06, 2014, 11:02:23 PM
Stupid face or not, his beard is superb.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 11:03:31 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

I liked this year way more than any stupid Josh Freeman year.  I really, really liked the Texas wins, but that was because we sucked and it was so unexpected.

Well said. The Texas wins were really fun, but a lot of those seasons were miserable.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 06, 2014, 11:03:38 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

This seems odd to me  :dunno:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: _33 on December 06, 2014, 11:04:01 PM
Does anyone really like Jake?  I mean I assume most tolerated him because we beat who we were supposed to beat but I find it hard to believe that anyone was a really big Jake fan.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on December 06, 2014, 11:04:14 PM
I think a lot of my dislike is misplaced and belongs to the playcaller and  the worst running/ least balanced team in my time watching KSU fb
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: _33 on December 06, 2014, 11:04:49 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

This seems odd to me  :dunno:

Well you get confused by a lot of things.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 11:06:31 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

This seems odd to me  :dunno:

It's not that odd. He at least partially meant:

I would rather go 7-5 with Sams than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

A lot of guys really liked Sams and at least partial blame still goes to Waters that he left. It's weird, but I get it in a way.

Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 06, 2014, 11:07:02 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

This seems odd to me  :dunno:

Well you get confused by a lot of things.

You'd rather be 7-5 instead of 9-3 as well _33?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on December 06, 2014, 11:07:17 PM
Does anyone really like Jake?  I mean I assume most tolerated him because we beat who we were supposed to beat but I find it hard to believe that anyone was a really big Jake fan.
i mean.  he has some weird plays sometimes.  that one tonight he audibled into and just like...stood there.

but hard for me to not like a wildcats QB who has had a season like Jake has.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Panjandrum on December 06, 2014, 11:07:59 PM
I will say that I don't like the offense we run with Waters.  I think he runs it well, but I don't like it.

I prefer more dedication to the run game with vertical play action passing.  That's a much better strategy for the defense we've chosen to employ.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 06, 2014, 11:08:33 PM
I like Jake. I think I've been fair with him.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 11:09:18 PM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

This seems odd to me  :dunno:

It's not that odd. He at least partially meant:

I would rather go 7-5 with Sams than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

A lot of guys really liked Sams and at least partial blame still goes to Waters that he left. It's weird, but I get it in a way.
I'd rather go 7-5 with Hubes, too. Or Carson. or anyone, really.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on December 06, 2014, 11:15:50 PM
I'm indifferent to Jake. If he didn't have Lockett he would have been terrible and nothing I saw from him made me think he cared as much as Colin or Bishop.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Big Train on December 06, 2014, 11:39:38 PM
QB who has record breaking seasons better than this, but also losing 6-7 games.  Do you like that QB?
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 06, 2014, 11:40:44 PM
I like Josh Freeman more than Jake and it isn't even close. Jake definitely had better stats, though.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kstatefan11 on December 06, 2014, 11:43:54 PM
I'm indifferent to Jake. If he didn't have Lockett he would have been terrible and nothing I saw from him made me think he cared as much as Colin or Bishop.

That pretty well sums it up. I don't know about terrible w/o TLBL, but he just never really had "it." I felt frustrated with him more than pleased, don't know if that was gE influence or what. I hope we don't really miss him a ton next year, but we might. Can't just throw any ol' average Joe out there.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Katpappy on December 06, 2014, 11:48:14 PM
I'm indifferent to Jake. If he didn't have Lockett he would have been terrible and nothing I saw from him made me think he cared as much as Colin or Bishop.

That pretty well sums it up. I don't know about terrible w/o TLBL, but he just never really had "it." I felt frustrated with him more than pleased, don't know if that was gE influence or what. I hope we don't really miss him a ton next year, but we might. Can't just throw any ol' average Joe Bazooka out there.
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Post by: SwiftCat on December 07, 2014, 12:28:30 AM
Jake doesn't do anything for me. I hate how he runs. Collapsing during cuts to avoid contact. I don't think I've ever seen him make a guy miss in the open field. I'm not even sure I've seen him try. He's a great passer and he makes some throws that most college QBs don't make. One that comes to mind tonight was to lockett in triple coverage just before the interception. Those plays are really fun. But when we ask him to run as much as he does, it's extremely frustrating to watch.

I would like him more if Sams never played QB for the cats. That's unfair of me, but it's how I feel.



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Post by: DOD Take 2 on December 07, 2014, 12:31:12 AM
The pick was his fault tho, right? Even if Burton had no idea what he was doing, I don't see a route he could've run where he would have been open and justified being thrown at...
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 12:34:39 AM
Hmmmmm, so some of u tards are blaming that int. on waters??  Yeh, burton ran one hell of a route there, didn't he?  Well, good news for you then.  Next year, burton is your go to receiver.

You have no idea whether Burton ran the wrong route or Waters threw the wrong route, none of us do. I can tell you that in that spot there is no way in hell that ball should have been thrown to him.
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Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2014, 12:43:27 AM
I agree 100 percent with michigancat and I can't rationally explain it
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Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2014, 12:45:26 AM
Jake is laundry jones, that's the best comparison
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 12:46:55 AM
I would rather go 7-5 with a QB I like than go 9-3 with Waters. :don'tcare:

I liked this year way more than any stupid Josh Freeman year.  I really, really liked the Texas wins, but that was because we sucked and it was so unexpected.

Yes but you'd love Josh Freeman on these last two teams. He was anchored by Ron.

some people (like rusty) are just never gonna forgive waters for being from iowa or winning the job over sams or whatever it is he did

You guys don't understand why someone would see his stats as completely empty? His breaking that yardage record makes his legacy even more polarizing. He has had some high profile face planting. His best two wins were against a garbage Michigan team and this years gross OU team. That last drive is absolutely what Jake Waters was a K-State. Slow drive, a few questionable runs, holding the ball tok long, a seemingly great game saving pass that was equal parts amazing play by Lockett and fantastic pass by Waters, then a completely inexcusable interception.

At this point you have to be willing to ignore a lot to act like we should hold Jake Waters in any high regard with the K-State QBs that wre universally adored.
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 12:47:52 AM
I agree 100 percent with michigancat and I can't rationally explain it

I just did it for you
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Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2014, 12:50:00 AM
Well I'm pakked so f u ok smarty pants, sheesh
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Post by: DOD Take 2 on December 07, 2014, 12:57:37 AM
MIR nailed it. I'd add that he doesn't seem to care as much as past ksu cats qbs
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Post by: SwiftCat on December 07, 2014, 01:09:50 AM
MIR nailed it. I'd add that he doesn't seem to care as much as past ksu cats qbs

if Jake cared as much he did vs Iowa State every game, I would like him more.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 01:16:39 AM
The last two seasons the only fun things I can remember that matter are.
1. Watching Tyler be amazing. I actually hope he doesn't play in the bowl, he has all of the receiving records and if our last memory of his was that last catch then I'm good with that.
2. Beating Michigan. The second best memory of going 17-5 in two years is winning the damn Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl, think about that.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on December 07, 2014, 04:01:12 AM
You guys don't understand why someone would see his stats as completely empty? His breaking that yardage record makes his legacy even more polarizing. He has had some high profile face planting. His best two wins were against a garbage Michigan team and this years gross OU team. That last drive is absolutely what Jake Waters was a K-State. Slow drive, a few questionable runs, holding the ball tok long, a seemingly great game saving pass that was equal parts amazing play by Lockett and fantastic pass by Waters, then a completely inexcusable interception.

At this point you have to be willing to ignore a lot to act like we should hold Jake Waters in any high regard with the K-State QBs that wre universally adored.
I don't know...I just think that it's hard to call tonight a "face plant" when Waters goes 22-27 for 300 yards.  I'll give you that last year, Waters was really bad for most of the year, especially early on.  But this season?  Outside of Auburn (and maybe TCU), he's been objectively good.  Even if you do 100% blame Waters for the interception (which, who knows), there's no way to characterize his passing night as anything other than really good.

Sure, Lockett is maybe the best receiver K-State's ever had.  But Lockett has also had the luxury of playing with Waters, who is good enough to put Lockett into a position where he can do his thing.

And every great K-State QB has been complimented by another great player on offense.  Yes, Waters has Lockett.  But Chad May had Kevin.  Bishop had Mcdonald and 4 (four) running backs averaging over 4.7 ypc. Beasley had Morgan. Roberson had Sproles.  Freeman had Jordy.  Klein had Harper and Lockett.  The catch is, that Waters and Lockett are more productive than all those guys. 

Our offense is getting 6.2 yards per play this season.  That's better than '12 (6.0) and way better than '11 (4.7).  It's also better than any Freeman team (high of 5.7) and better than our '03 offense (6.1).  The stat site i use doesn't go back further.  Roberson's and Freeman's offenses each doubled the number of turnovers K-State had this season -- we average .9 TOs/game (3rd in the country).

Regarding his high profile face plants, what K-State QB hasn't had high profile face plants? Bishop had 97 Nebraska and the other one.  Roberson had his share.  Klein certainly had a couple.

I'm not trying to christen Waters as the best QB K-State has ever had, but our offense has been really, really good this year, and he's been a huge part of it. 
Title: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2014, 06:54:21 AM
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.
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Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2014, 06:59:30 AM
I also note that it's only Waters defenders mentioning Sams. Which is funny to me. It went from an unfair criticism of him as a QB a year ago to an illogical defense of him as a QB this season.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 08:51:19 AM
You guys don't understand why someone would see his stats as completely empty? His breaking that yardage record makes his legacy even more polarizing. He has had some high profile face planting. His best two wins were against a garbage Michigan team and this years gross OU team. That last drive is absolutely what Jake Waters was a K-State. Slow drive, a few questionable runs, holding the ball tok long, a seemingly great game saving pass that was equal parts amazing play by Lockett and fantastic pass by Waters, then a completely inexcusable interception.

At this point you have to be willing to ignore a lot to act like we should hold Jake Waters in any high regard with the K-State QBs that wre universally adored.
I don't know...I just think that it's hard to call tonight a "face plant" when Waters goes 22-27 for 300 yards.  I'll give you that last year, Waters was really bad for most of the year, especially early on.  But this season?  Outside of Auburn (and maybe TCU), he's been objectively good.  Even if you do 100% blame Waters for the interception (which, who knows), there's no way to characterize his passing night as anything other than really good.

Sure, Lockett is maybe the best receiver K-State's ever had.  But Lockett has also had the luxury of playing with Waters, who is good enough to put Lockett into a position where he can do his thing.

And every great K-State QB has been complimented by another great player on offense.  Yes, Waters has Lockett.  But Chad May had Kevin.  Bishop had Mcdonald and 4 (four) running backs averaging over 4.7 ypc. Beasley had Morgan. Roberson had Sproles.  Freeman had Jordy.  Klein had Harper and Lockett.  The catch is, that Waters and Lockett are more productive than all those guys. 

Our offense is getting 6.2 yards per play this season.  That's better than '12 (6.0) and way better than '11 (4.7).  It's also better than any Freeman team (high of 5.7) and better than our '03 offense (6.1).  The stat site i use doesn't go back further.  Roberson's and Freeman's offenses each doubled the number of turnovers K-State had this season -- we average .9 TOs/game (3rd in the country).

Regarding his high profile face plants, what K-State QB hasn't had high profile face plants? Bishop had 97 Nebraska and the other one.  Roberson had his share.  Klein certainly had a couple.

I'm not trying to christen Waters as the best QB K-State has ever had, but our offense has been really, really good this year, and he's been a huge part of it.

It's not all his fault, I never claimed it was. He didn't face plant last night, it was his best performance in a big game and it wasn't even close to good enough. We had a bend but don't break offense. We were putrid inside the 10, and the quarterback whoever he is, has to shoulder that. Yes, the running game stunk and the play calling wasn't great but having a reliable qb fixes some of those things and in the red zone Jake wasn't reliable.

SD put it perfectly, we didn't have a chance in the biggest games with him. Even the coaches thought so last year essentially benching him against Baylor and OSU. These two teams needed a more dynamic playmaker. I do think that the play calling and offensive philosophy did him no favors. But for me he will forever be known as a guy who posted great numbers but didn't win a thing. QBs will always be measured for what they won and it's why Jonathan Beasley will forever be thought of a a better quarterback.
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Post by: Rabid Cow on December 07, 2014, 09:10:40 AM
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.

Bishop and Roberson had outstanding defenses, ridiculous offensive lines and reliable running backs.  I miss those days.
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 09:20:11 AM
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.

Bishop and Roberson had outstanding defenses, ridiculous offensive lines and reliable running backs.  I miss those days.

Bishop had, no disrespect intended, Mike Lawrence and Eric Hickson. Bishop made everyone around him better.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 10:30:41 AM
I liked Jake and his tight spirals, but I'm also not a complete dumbass. I hope he gets drafted.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 07, 2014, 10:36:02 AM
I liked Jake and his tight spirals, but I'm also not a complete dumbass. I hope he gets drafted.

What nfl skill does he have?
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Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2014, 10:40:57 AM
Yeah, "statue sack" is not a skill NFL teams value.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 10:58:07 AM
I'm just going off mock drafts that have him going in the 5th to 6th round. I think they like that he throws lazer TD's
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 11:02:11 AM
I think he'll get drafted. He measures out. I know he better learn sometime between now and what ever all-star game he plays in that throwing the ball away is better than taking a sack.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 07, 2014, 11:13:23 AM
I doubt it but whatevs
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Post by: felix rex on December 07, 2014, 11:15:49 AM
He is like maybe my 5th favorite QB since Snyder came back.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 07, 2014, 11:16:04 AM
I doubt he gets drafted either. I can understand why people dislike him. I think its stupid, but i understand. most polarizing player in a while.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 07, 2014, 11:17:41 AM
He won't be drafted btw
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Post by: felix rex on December 07, 2014, 11:17:44 AM

I doubt he gets drafted either. I can understand why people dislike him. I think its stupid, but i understand. most polarizing player in a while.

But nobody hates him. He's just very not likeable and non-confidence-inspiring.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 11:19:30 AM
Some pretty itk ppl think he will get drafted tho. :dunno:
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Post by: Mr Bread on December 07, 2014, 11:22:25 AM
Nope.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 11:23:29 AM
It will be fun to follow. :love:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 07, 2014, 11:25:43 AM
It will be fun to follow. :love:

More fun than watching him in a big game
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 11:27:01 AM
300 yards passing and 2 TD's seems pretty salty. I wish we had a run game tho.
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 11:27:38 AM
It will be fun to follow. :love:

More fun than watching him in a big game

:lol:
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 07, 2014, 11:35:10 AM
What if Jake leads the Wildcats to victory against a good team in the bowl game  :surprised:

The best possible bowl opponent will be Arizona and no one will care.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 11:36:24 AM
Pfftt.
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Post by: star seed 7 on December 07, 2014, 11:41:57 AM
Lol, I actually think we'd beat the crap out of Arizona. I feel good about winning a bowl this year. Still don't like jake tho
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Post by: The Whale on December 07, 2014, 12:37:50 PM
What's sad is that after seeing Jake play for 2 years and maximizing his talent in the pass game with Lockett, the staff still run an unacceptable number of plays each game which highlight the weak points in his game -- QB Draws, speed options, etc.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 07, 2014, 01:07:09 PM
I'm not a fan of him as our QB because going into all big games I know we are going to lose. I felt with Klein and Bishop and Roberson and even Freeman that we had a chance to win those games. Like against Baylor I knew we would lose (so did everyone, not really going out on a limb there). Even having a weapon like Lockett I just never felt like we had a shot. Takes an entire team, I know, but he made me concede those and it always turned out correct. I mean, who is the best team he beat? And he lost to a D2 school which got him off on the wrong foot with me. And his worship of ISU and Paul Rhoads. And his fantasy football team name made me think I'd dislike hanging out with him. And his standing around when the ball is on the ground in front of him (multiple times). Good stats though and I think he was much better this year with controlling the turnovers. I, like FAN, think I've been very fair with him and yet here we stand on opposite sides of his fence.

_fan doesn't really have the ability to be critical of active players or coaches or coaching decisions, so he likes waters more than most. it's his one glaring weakness, which is meant as a compliment because it's his only one.
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Post by: kso_FAN on December 07, 2014, 01:16:48 PM
_fan doesn't really have the ability to be critical of active players or coaches or coaching decisions, so he likes waters more than most. it's his one glaring weakness, which is meant as a compliment because it's his only one.

Its very true. I'm soft in that regard.
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Post by: chum1 on December 07, 2014, 01:49:45 PM
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs. Snyder's teams are all pretty much the same with regard to ability. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that style is important.
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Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2014, 01:50:52 PM
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs. Snyder's teams are all pretty much the same with regard to ability. There's nothing wrong with acknowledging that style is important.
I pretty much dislike his style.
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on December 07, 2014, 02:02:57 PM
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs.

one reason i don't really like him because other people think he is better than he really is. has that criticism been made?

also, because he just doesn't care much unless he's playing an iowa team. if our season was playing nothing but 12 games against iowa teams then i would put him in my top five qbs under snyder behind bishop, ell, may and collin which were all obviously way, way better.
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Post by: mocat on December 07, 2014, 02:16:08 PM
Waters never had a put the team on my back doo, 2011 @Miami type game, to make us all love and embrace him
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Post by: everyone shut up on December 07, 2014, 02:20:00 PM
Waters never had a put the team on my back doo, 2011 @Miami type game, to make us all love and embrace him
he basically beat iowa state this year. could you imagine how embarrassing that loss would have been?
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Post by: CNS on December 07, 2014, 02:31:53 PM
Because of the play calling and inability to run the ball anything but backward, you could say that Jake won every conf game we won.  I know that is diff than what mocat is saying.  It also allows dor the lopsided stats since all we can do adequately is pass
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Post by: chum1 on December 07, 2014, 02:36:40 PM
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs.

one reason i don't really like him because other people think he is better than he really is. has that criticism been made?

also, because he just doesn't care much unless he's playing an iowa team. if our season was playing nothing but 12 games against iowa teams then i would put him in my top five qbs under snyder behind bishop, ell, may and collin which were all obviously way, way better.

I haven't seen #1. Overall, I only see opinions here, the large majority of which is negative. But that's a reason I personally use a lot to dislike players and teams.

I'd classify #2 as style.
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Post by: michigancat on December 07, 2014, 02:38:50 PM
I definitely hate his style
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Post by: steve dave on December 07, 2014, 02:50:01 PM

I definitely hate his style

Yes, his style is losery
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 07, 2014, 03:31:14 PM
I'm not sure I've seen any criticisms of Waters that couldn't also be made of any other Snyder QBs.

one reason i don't really like him because other people think he is better than he really is. has that criticism been made?

also, because he just doesn't care much unless he's playing an iowa team. if our season was playing nothing but 12 games against iowa teams then i would put him in my top five qbs under snyder behind bishop, ell, may and collin which were all obviously way, way better.
I would say more fans dislike him than like him. So I don't know who you're talking about, these ppl who think he's some super star.
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Post by: SdK on December 07, 2014, 04:01:59 PM
I keep reading posts in this thread but can't be bothered to care. This thread is a waste of time.
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Post by: Trim on December 07, 2014, 10:06:56 PM

I doubt he gets drafted either. I can understand why people dislike him. I think its stupid, but i understand. most polarizing player in a while.

But nobody hates him. He's just very not likeable and non-confidence-inspiring.

Quote
hate - verb
: to dislike (someone) very strongly : to feel hate for (someone)

: to dislike (something) very strongly : to find (something) very unpleasant

I'll go ahead and say I hate him.  The "something" might even be more applicable than the "someone" version of that definition.  We'd all be better off if he and K-State had never crossed paths.

<--- Hater.  :gocho:
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 08, 2014, 08:40:44 AM
I have to admit that I love seeing Joe Hubener come in late in games so we can run the football and throw ill-advised bombs.
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I think it is incredible how he stacks up in this regard. The biggest x-factor, I think, is his bond with Lockett and Sexton and his ability to learn under CK. I think he did well with what he was given. It is hard to compare him to CK because CK had Hubert in the backfield.
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Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2014, 10:30:38 AM
OK, I forgot about Grant Gregory. I may hate him more for selfishly playing and moving Klein to WR when he should have been getting QB reps and delaying Klein's development and costing a national title.
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Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2014, 10:43:58 AM
OK, I forgot about Grant Gregory. I may hate him more for selfishly playing and moving Klein to WR when he should have been getting QB reps and delaying Klein's development and costing a national title.
No, hate Jake more
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 11:38:55 AM
Based off those stats, he's like the greatest qb of all time.
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Post by: CNS on December 08, 2014, 11:46:09 AM
He has fantastic stats.  No doubt.  The only problem is that we had zero stats from anyone else not catching a jake-thrown ball. 
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Post by: steve dave on December 08, 2014, 12:09:31 PM
Who is the best team Jake has beaten? Is it @ 4 loss OU this year?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 12:17:41 PM
Who is the best team Jake has beaten? Is it @ 4 loss OU this year?
You love Josh Freeman, but you wanna play this game? I guess Freeman had Texas, but not much after that.
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Post by: Stevesie60 on December 08, 2014, 12:18:35 PM
You know how sometimes you can recognize that a girl is super attractive but you just aren't attracted to her? That's Jake Waters in a nutshell.
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Post by: CNS on December 08, 2014, 12:18:57 PM
Jake had the benefit of what many consider one of the greatest college coaches in the history of the game.  Freems had Ron.
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Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2014, 12:19:06 PM
I think the best team Jake beat was 300 yards passing against Baylor
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Post by: kso_FAN on December 08, 2014, 12:19:16 PM
Who is the best team Jake has beaten? Is it @ 4 loss OU this year?

Yes, probably so.

Also, this thread was fun: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=31974.0

I'm guessing 25 TDs to 10 INTs, probably better. Waters will probably run less, but average more yards per carry. 65% completions, 3500+ yards, 9ish yards per attempt. I'm not sure why anyone would expect a regression. Snyder's quarterbacks almost always make improvements from their JR to SR seasons and usually very dramatic improvements.

Winning more games and being a legit contender for the Big 12 next year will come down to the play of the defense and special teams. Our offense finished in the Top 15 last year and I expect it to remain at least in the top 20. However, our special teams were less than spectacular (#33) and our defense was mediocre (#43). If those don't improve, then the offense won't matter much.

I overestimated Jake's TDs.

Offense finished #15, defense #60, and special teams #4. Basically our offense and specials teams did their part, but our defense didn't make enough improvement to get us over the top.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slackcat on December 08, 2014, 12:21:19 PM
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 08, 2014, 12:22:23 PM
It's kind of silly to say Jake was afraid of contact when he willingly took sacks like, all the time.
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Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2014, 12:23:00 PM
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT

god, so infuriating
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: pissclams on December 08, 2014, 12:51:42 PM
someone (maybe daris?) started a predict waters' career numbers thread. i went all in, way over the top.  can't find the thread though.  cool story bro.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2014, 12:54:56 PM
I think it is incredible how he stacks up in this regard. The biggest x-factor, I think, is his bond with Lockett and Sexton and his ability to learn under CK. I think he did well with what he was given. It is hard to compare him to CK because CK had Hubert in the backfield.

What he was given? He had the greatest wide receiver in school history. And not that his running back should matter when looking at these stats (a bad running game contributes to these stats, it doesn't detract from them) but Waters had Hubert too for a season.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 01:01:08 PM
I bet if Waters was black, this board would have loved him!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on December 08, 2014, 01:06:40 PM
You know how sometimes you can recognize that a girl is super attractive but you just aren't attracted to her? That's Jake Waters in a nutshell.

Great Post, Waters was a top 3 QB in the big 12 and still leaves something to be desired. The one question to ask is if he played with the worst O-Line in Bill 2.0.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2014, 01:16:56 PM
You know how sometimes you can recognize that a girl is super attractive but you just aren't attracted to her? That's Jake Waters in a nutshell.

Great Post, Waters was a top 3 QB in the big 12 and still leaves something to be desired. The one question to ask is if he played with the worst O-Line in Bill 2.0.

Not even close
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: felix rex on December 08, 2014, 01:17:06 PM
He never beat really good teams and almost lost to really bad teams (and then got praised for NOT losing to a HORRIBLE Iowa State team) and actually did lose to a division whatever team. So...no big wins, no titles and a lasting embarrassment.

Under Prince, Waters would have been one of the Allens that left. Under Snyder, Freeman would have been Beasley, at least.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 01:21:06 PM
Lol. Freeman would have never seen the field with Snyder. He would have hated his antics.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slackcat on December 08, 2014, 01:43:12 PM
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT

god, so infuriating

God, I feel the same way.  Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball.  Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 08, 2014, 01:46:28 PM
OK, I forgot about Grant Gregory. I may hate him more for selfishly playing and moving Klein to WR when he should have been getting QB reps and delaying Klein's development and costing a national title.

every kid wants to play. you can't blame Gregory for that.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on December 08, 2014, 01:50:28 PM
good lord :flush:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 08, 2014, 01:51:03 PM
I bet if Waters was black, this board would have loved him!

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fa.espncdn.com%2Fphoto%2F2011%2F0824%2F576x324_vickwhite.jpg&hash=645080007722a409f9dc5f72414f1a63dbb5b02b)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 01:53:32 PM
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT

god, so infuriating

God, I feel the same way.  Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball.  Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
I think the "Waters is only good cause of TLBL" talking point is my favorite. :love:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on December 08, 2014, 01:55:30 PM
wacky can't stand it that Waters isn't likable.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 08, 2014, 01:57:09 PM
I appreciated Jake's time here, but I am ready to see what Joe Hubener can do. We have already seen that Joe knows deep balls and Joe knows QB draws. I want to see what else Joe knows.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 01:58:04 PM
wacky can't stand it that Waters isn't likable.
I could give two shots. It makes bbs'ing more fun. I just love hearing uneducated reasons for hating him. :love:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2014, 01:58:52 PM
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT

god, so infuriating

God, I feel the same way.  Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball.  Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
I think the "Waters is only good cause of TLBL" talking point is my favorite. :love:

I don't even know why I'm asking you this but you don't think Jake was helped immensely by having Tyler as his number 1 option? I can't imagine what Matt Miller and Brian Cavanaugh would have looked like without Kevin and Tyler is absolutely better than his dad was.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 08, 2014, 02:00:31 PM
I think Jake is a little bit better than Matt Miller.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 08, 2014, 02:01:00 PM
I mean, yeah, he helped, I mean they helped each other a lot! Locketts numbers sky rocketed once Waters was qb.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: meow meow on December 08, 2014, 02:06:32 PM
Jake would rather take a sack than throw an incomplete pass....................THINK ABOUT IT

god, so infuriating

God, I feel the same way.  Spent too much energy yelliing for him to get rid of the rough ridin' ball.  Does have amazing completion percentage, thanks to tlbl.
I think the "Waters is only good cause of TLBL" talking point is my favorite. :love:

I don't even know why I'm asking you this but you don't think Jake was helped immensely by having Tyler as his number 1 option? I can't imagine what Matt Miller and Brian Cavanaugh would have looked like without Kevin and Tyler is absolutely better than his dad was.

or Klein without Baby Lock and Harp
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2014, 02:10:36 PM
I mean, yeah, he helped, I mean they helped each other a lot! Locketts numbers sky rocketed once Waters was qb.

Yeah his numbers got better when he became an upperclassman and didn't have an all conference running back and a qb running 15-20 times a game. Tyler has to have a guy get him the ball but there is no doubt who benefited whom greater. Tyler was a star when Collin was shot putting balls to his receivers.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Rabid Cow on December 08, 2014, 03:03:29 PM
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So Sams will most likely forever hold the highest completion percentage.  Just let that soak in for a moment...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2014, 03:04:22 PM
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So Sams will most likely forever hold the highest completion percentage.  Just let that soak in for a moment...
And highest ypc

:frown:
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Lucas Scoopsalot on December 08, 2014, 03:10:08 PM
Jake Waters pass yards state should have an asterisk. (Offensive line incapable of run blocking and running backs not very good)
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: DQ12 on December 08, 2014, 05:59:02 PM
So _fan says we had a top 15 offense and a top 60 defense, and people say "Waters couldn't win big games."

I wonder if Waters would've been able to win big games with literally any one of Bishop's/Beasley's/Roberson's/Klein's defenses.  For what it's worth, you could say the same thing about Freemaw.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Kat Kid on December 08, 2014, 06:08:22 PM
Matt Miller's stats look pretty great.  Sorry losery Chad May lovers.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 08, 2014, 06:13:54 PM
So _fan says we had a top 15 offense and a top 60 defense, and people say "Waters couldn't win big games."

I wonder if Waters would've been able to win big games with literally any one of Bishop's/Beasley's/Roberson's/Klein's defenses.  For what it's worth, you could say the same thing about Freemaw.


In the 2 Big XII losses this year, the offense no showed at teh start of the game.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Whale on December 08, 2014, 08:03:31 PM
I have to admit that I love seeing Joe Hubener come in late in games so we can run the football and throw ill-advised bombs.

yes, this is v. enjoyable
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: CNS on December 08, 2014, 08:19:49 PM
Ill advised bombs are incred fun.
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Post by: SdK on December 08, 2014, 08:30:29 PM
Dlew is right.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on December 09, 2014, 08:19:35 AM
It's the sack stats that I am struggling with. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that Jake/ KSU had been sacked the fewest times in the conference. That doesn't jive with a shitty O-line. It also doesn't jive with the image I have of Jake getting sacked all of the damn time. I think the frustrating part, and one of the things that makes him not like able, is that his sacks happened in plays where he had a crap load of time to throw. He never threw the ball away even though he had ample time to do so. I never expected him to make a spectacular play at that point, it isn't in his DNA.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 09, 2014, 08:50:01 AM
It's the sack stats that I am struggling with. Someone posted a couple of weeks ago that Jake/ KSU had been sacked the fewest times in the conference. That doesn't jive with a shitty O-line. It also doesn't jive with the image I have of Jake getting sacked all of the damn time. I think the frustrating part, and one of the things that makes him not like able, is that his sacks happened in plays where he had a crap load of time to throw. He never threw the ball away even though he had ample time to do so. I never expected him to make a spectacular play at that point, it isn't in his DNA.

1st, just raw sacks allowed is a dumb stat, especially when comparing K-State to anyone else in the Big 12.
2nd, at no point were we ever at fewest sacks in the Big 12.
3rd, the best stat IMO is to look at sacks/attempts or sack%. K-State's sack% was 6.3%, good for 7th in the league.

Team   sack%
Oklahoma   2.3%
Texas Tech   2.3%
TCU   4.1%
Baylor   4.1%
West Virginia   5.7%
Iowa State   5.9%
Kansas State   6.3%
Texas   6.4%
Kansas   7.7%
Oklahoma State   9.9%
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on December 09, 2014, 08:59:20 AM
Eff me.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on December 09, 2014, 08:59:58 AM
Look at the stats from 3 weeks ago? (just jk)


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 09, 2014, 10:40:26 AM
i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: slobber on December 09, 2014, 10:48:00 AM

i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.
i can't see it when I use my work computer. It's fine on tapatalk.


Gonna win 'em all!
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 09, 2014, 10:56:10 AM
i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.

Sorry, I use imageshack to host my images. It must be blocked at your work.
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on December 09, 2014, 12:22:24 PM
i cant see anything that _Fan posts. its hurting my BBSing quite a bit.

Sorry, I use imageshack to host my images. It must be blocked at your work.

makes sense. oh well...
Title: Re: Okay, I've seen enough of this Waters loser.
Post by: Blackcats on December 09, 2014, 10:52:45 PM
190 passing yards in the Alamo Bowl and Waters passes Freeman to take passing record.