Not about the Quarterback play.

[HeinBallz]

I think I've isolated the problem between people in this thread.

 "Sam's would have won"
does not equal
"waters lost the game"

Yes, the defense sucks and oline/rb run game sucked balls. Waters was reasonably good and one of the only bright spots, but Sams could have won. 

[michigancat]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

That is ridiculous, michigancat. It was not good enough to win. It was almost good enough to win. That is why we lost.

[Rams]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

actually the qb play and available personnel were good enough to win, but the play calling and substitution (or lack thereof) was bad enough to lose.  and it did.

[timhawk]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

That is ridiculous, michigancat. It was not good enough to win. It was almost good enough to win. That is why we lost.

guys come on now....the QB did a fine job. he went 21-29 for 280 yards, averaged 9.7 yds per completion with 2 TD and 2 INT. the last INT was at the end so that one we can live with. who's to say Sams plays and maybe throws for 150 and rushes for 80 and they still lose? would you be saying Snyder shoulda played Waters more? you guys jumped out to a big lead by THROWING the ball. honestly the blame should be on the defense, not the QB. NDSU drove down the field their final possession an 18 play, 8:30 min long drive. your D simply couldnt stop them. look at the TD they scored....#44 for KSU got destroyed and #15 looked like he was scared to hit someone. 

[michigancat]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

That is ridiculous, michigancat. It was not good enough to win. It was almost good enough to win. That is why we lost.

guys come on now....the QB did a fine job. he went 21-29 for 280 yards, averaged 9.7 yds per completion with 2 TD and 2 INT. the last INT was at the end so that one we can live with.

BAD. ENOUGH. TO. LOSE.

[timhawk]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

That is ridiculous, michigancat. It was not good enough to win. It was almost good enough to win. That is why we lost.

guys come on now....the QB did a fine job. he went 21-29 for 280 yards, averaged 9.7 yds per completion with 2 TD and 2 INT. the last INT was at the end so that one we can live with.

BAD. ENOUGH. TO. LOSE.

Hubert says hi

[wiley]

Im not sure dthomas or sproles couldve done much with the crap fest that was our oline.  However with sproles they at least wouldve had to respect his speed to the outside.  With hubert, not so much.

[timhawk]

Im not sure dthomas or sproles couldve done much with the crap fest that was our oline.  However with sproles they at least wouldve had to respect his speed to the outside.  With hubert, not so much.

1st team big 12 tho

[Mixed-Nutz]

80% of it was play calling.

[KSUBrian]

The QB play may have been good enough to win, but it was also bad enough to lose. Think about it.

That is ridiculous, michigancat. It was not good enough to win. It was almost good enough to win. That is why we lost.

guys come on now....the QB did a fine job. he went 21-29 for 280 yards, averaged 9.7 yds per completion with 2 TD and 2 INT. the last INT was at the end so that one we can live with. who's to say Sams plays and maybe throws for 150 and rushes for 80 and they still lose? would you be saying Snyder shoulda played Waters more? you guys jumped out to a big lead by THROWING the ball. honestly the blame should be on the defense, not the QB. NDSU drove down the field their final possession an 18 play, 8:30 min long drive. your D simply couldnt stop them. look at the TD they scored....#44 for KSU got destroyed and #15 looked like he was scared to hit someone.

No way anybody with any FBIQ lives with the int at the end.  That was not a hail mary.  They had 28 seconds to get into FG range to try to tie the score. So 50-55 yards on 2-3 plays in 28 seconds in CFB is a reasonable expectation.  Throwing an Int on the 1st attempt is unacceptable.

[KSUBrian]

QB run game dilemma:  On the zone read, Waters always seems to hand-off to the RB, Sams always seems to keep the ball. If I can see this with very little game action, opposing D coordinators can too.  Until either can learn to make the right read or Sams becomes a threat in the passing game, it will be easyfor the D  to know what to key on for whichever QB is in the game.

[ksupamplemousse]

Guys, it was one game. Sometimes things just don't click in the first game for whatever reason. Let's see what happens against Loozyanna before we all look back at this thread and realize that we're idiots. I'm positive that Waters and Hubert will run better behind a more motivated line this weekend. Whether that's good enough to win some ball games in the Big XII should be apparent at the end of the non-con, if it isn't good enough then it's time to make a change. In the meantime I am sure Bill is going to get #Life some more snaps to make sure that he's ready to go if a change is needed.

[felix rex]

The KU meltdown over Hubert/Sims has been a rare bright spot this week.

[CNS]

Simply amazing how many ppl automatically assume Sams can't pass just because Waters can't run. 

Don't get this.  Like at all.

[8manpick]

Guys, it was one game. Sometimes things just don't click in the first game for whatever reason. Let's see what happens against Loozyanna before we all look back at this thread and realize that we're idiots. I'm positive that Waters and Hubert will run better behind a more motivated line this weekend. Whether that's good enough to win some ball games in the Big XII should be apparent at the end of the non-con, if it isn't good enough then it's time to make a change. In the meantime I am sure Bill is going to get #Life some more snaps to make sure that he's ready to go if a change is needed.

Take it to the optimism thread, loser

[yoga-like_abana]

what if waters is like mike tyson.. hear me out.. just like iron mike was use to knocking fools out in nanoseconds and then when it came to a long bout wasn't always the best, what if that is the case with waters?

he has become accustomed to getting a huge lead, coasting and then letting his reserve come in.. can waters play a full game? 

[MadCat]

what if waters is like mike tyson.. hear me out.. just like iron mike was use to knocking fools out in nanoseconds and then when it came to a long bout wasn't always the best, what if that is the case with waters?

he has become accustomed to getting a huge lead, coasting and then letting his reserve come in.. can waters play a full game? 

Like if he played the two snaps that were given to Sams?

[Rage Against the McKee]

what if waters is like mike tyson.. hear me out.. just like iron mike was use to knocking fools out in nanoseconds and then when it came to a long bout wasn't always the best, what if that is the case with waters?

he has become accustomed to getting a huge lead, coasting and then letting his reserve come in.. can waters play a full game? 

I think you are on to something here and the solution is simple. Waters should start every game and play until we either have a turnover, punt, or field goal. Let him stay in the game as long as he gets touchdowns, then as soon as he starts to wear down, let Sams finish the game.

[MadCat]

what if waters is like mike tyson.. hear me out.. just like iron mike was use to knocking fools out in nanoseconds and then when it came to a long bout wasn't always the best, what if that is the case with waters?

he has become accustomed to getting a huge lead, coasting and then letting his reserve come in.. can waters play a full game? 

I think you are on to something here and the solution is simple. Waters should start every game and play until we either have a turnover, punt, or field goal. Let him stay in the game as long as he gets touchdowns, then as soon as he starts to wear down, let Sams finish the game.

Would you switch back and forth if both continued to fail at getting touchdowns?  At which point do you bring in HSC?

[ksupamplemousse]

Guys, it was one game. Sometimes things just don't click in the first game for whatever reason. Let's see what happens against Loozyanna before we all look back at this thread and realize that we're idiots. I'm positive that Waters and Hubert will run better behind a more motivated line this weekend. Whether that's good enough to win some ball games in the Big XII should be apparent at the end of the non-con, if it isn't good enough then it's time to make a change. In the meantime I am sure Bill is going to get #Life some more snaps to make sure that he's ready to go if a change is needed.

Take it to the optimism thread, loser

I contemplated posting it there, loser.

[Demo158]

Does anyone have footage of Sams' 17-yard td run?

[wiley]

Im not sure dthomas or sproles couldve done much with the crap fest that was our oline.  However with sproles they at least wouldve had to respect his speed to the outside.  With hubert, not so much.

1st team big 12 tho

Yeah, last year, right?

[Rage Against the McKee]

what if waters is like mike tyson.. hear me out.. just like iron mike was use to knocking fools out in nanoseconds and then when it came to a long bout wasn't always the best, what if that is the case with waters?

he has become accustomed to getting a huge lead, coasting and then letting his reserve come in.. can waters play a full game? 

I think you are on to something here and the solution is simple. Waters should start every game and play until we either have a turnover, punt, or field goal. Let him stay in the game as long as he gets touchdowns, then as soon as he starts to wear down, let Sams finish the game.

Would you switch back and forth if both continued to fail at getting touchdowns?  At which point do you bring in HSC?

No. Waters is Mike Tyson. He is built for the early knockout. If you don't get it, you go to the guy who is built to grind it out on the ground and win close games.

[Unruly]

I mean really, the sole reason that we lost this game was because the mask didn't make a production quality video.

It has to be the only reason why.