:frown: (we get really bummed out about the 2013-2014 schedule)

[cork_sniffer]

I am thinking

1. OSU
2. KU
3. 4. 5.   OU, BU, ISU
6. WVU
7. Texas
8. KSU
9. TCU
10. Tech

Do we have to go over our starting lineup again?

you have osu above ku.  that must be a typo right? 

[ChiComCat]

oscar will lose by 20 to a Big 12 team with a losing conference record this year

[slimz]

The "good news" for oscar is that the Big 12 is a terrible basketball league. Seems much more likely that oscar "coaches up" his merry band of midgets and untransferables to a 4th-5th place league finish than that they tank and wind up 9th or 10th, IMO.

That's only good news if 4th or 5th is good enough to get us into the NCAA Tournament, though.

I have no doubt that the oscar apologists (from Currie on down) are prepared to grant oscar a generous dispensation from tourney expectations if he finishes in or near* the top half of the conference over the next 3 years regardless of whether he makes the tourney, on account of the "tough luck" he encountered by not having good players want to play for him. After all, there's a shiny trophy that, much like a ball of yarn to a cat, should hold their unsophisticated interest for at least that length of time, regardless of current on-court results.


*7th place or higher.

[CNS]

oscar will lose by 20 to a Big 12 team with a losing conference record this year

The melt down pinnacle. 

This will be a real turning point for our fans.  Accepting it vs Angrying up and overflowing

[Mr Bread]

oscar will lose by 20 to a Big 12 team with a losing conference record this year

The melt down pinnacle. 

This will be a real turning point for our fans.  Accepting it vs Angrying up and overflowing

They'll not only accept it, but many will come to oscar's aid.  The more pathetic he becomes, the more some are drawn to him.  It's quite the surival skill.  "We've gotta protect that damn Down's baby! Get him some rough ridin' nuggets stat!!" #nuggetconundrum

[AndrewVonLintel]

oscar will lose by 20 to a Big 12 team with a losing conference record this year

The melt down pinnacle. 

This will be a real turning point for our fans.  Accepting it vs Angrying up and overflowing

They'll not only accept it, but many will come to oscar's aid.  The more pathetic he becomes, the more some are drawn to him.  It's quite the surival skill.  "We've gotta protect that damn Down's baby! Get him some rough ridin' nuggets stat!!" #nuggetconundrum

The Basketball recruiting intelligentsia on GoPowercat are telling me that this Basketball Recruiting class is Freakishly Athletic and I don't even know how to respond to this lunacy already. We also don't need to worry about rebounds because we are getting shooters and Frank Martin didn't get shooters.


Mr. Bread how did you survive this?  I am scared......    

[Pete]

They'll not only accept it, but many will come to oscar's aid.  The more pathetic he becomes, the more some are drawn to him.  It's quite the surival skill.  "We've gotta protect that damn Down's baby! Get him some rough ridin' nuggets stat!!" #nuggetconundrum

God bless you, Mr Bread.

If you are secretly a chick, I will leave my special lady person and marry you.  If you are not, I will still secretly love you.

[pissclams]

They'll not only accept it, but many will come to oscar's aid.  The more pathetic he becomes, the more some are drawn to him.  It's quite the surival skill.  "We've gotta protect that damn Down's baby! Get him some rough ridin' nuggets stat!!" #nuggetconundrum

God bless you, Mr Bread.

If you are secretly a chick, I will leave my special lady person and marry you.  If you are not, I will still secretly love you.

wow pete, the homophobia doesn't wear well on you

[Pete]

They'll not only accept it, but many will come to oscar's aid.  The more pathetic he becomes, the more some are drawn to him.  It's quite the surival skill.  "We've gotta protect that damn Down's baby! Get him some rough ridin' nuggets stat!!" #nuggetconundrum

God bless you, Mr Bread.

If you are secretly a chick, I will leave my special lady person and marry you.  If you are not, I will still secretly love you.

wow pete, the homophobia doesn't wear well on you

Man, I need to do some serious soul searching. 

[MakeItRain]

The "good news" for oscar is that the Big 12 is a terrible basketball league.

[Mixed-Nutz]

The "good news" for oscar is that the Big 12 is a top 1/3 heavy basketball league. Seems much more likely that oscar "coaches up" his merry band of midgets and untransferables to a 4th-5th place league finish than that they tank and wind up 9th or 10th, IMO.

We will be fine as long as we have Jevon.  There is less of a drop between Angel and Jevon then most people think. Jevon will finish his career the better player, atleast this is what I hear. Also Gip has added an ok face-up game this off season.

[Havs]

The "good news" for oscar is that the Big 12 is a terrible basketball league.

Self, Ford, Hoiberg and Kruger aren't exactly agreeing with you.

[AndrewVonLintel]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

[pissclams]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

[Mixed-Nutz]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

Weird order

[Havs]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

Man, the Big 12 should be the best league in basketball given those coaches. Sheesh.

[slimz]

"Terrible" may be overstating it. But a conference that puts 2 into the round of 32, 1 in the Sweet 16, none beyond that, and has a 4 and 5 seed get knocked off in the first round (one (co-champ) by the play-in winner), is not doing too great.

[mocat]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

Ok, now do this for the Big 10 and ACC

[ChiComCat]

Big 12 Coaches Ranking  (Recruiting/Coaching)

1. Self                 15 straight Tournaments, 1 NC, 7 Elite Eights, 13 Conference Championships

2. Huggins            20 tournaments, 2 Final Fours, 4 Elite Eights,  9 Conference Championships

3. Tubby Smith      17 tournaments, 1 NC,  4 Elite Eights, 7 Conference Championships

4. Kruger              14 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,    2 Elite Eights, 2 Conference Championships

5. Barnes              20 Tournaments, 1 Final Four,   3 Elite Eights, 3 Conference Championships

6. Ford                  4 Tournaments,  1 NCAA 2nd Round, 1 Conference Championship with UMASS

7. Hoiberg              2 Tournaments (3 years),  2 Rounds of 32,  T-3rd Conference

8. Scott Drew         3 Tournaments,   2 Elite Eights,   1 Conference Championship with Valparaiso

9. oscar Weber       9 Tournaments, 1 National Runner Up, 1 Elite Eight,  5 Conference Championships

10. Trent Johnson   5 Tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens,   2 Conference Championships

No wonder Self owns this league.  Nobody else is even trying

[Spracne]

I'm working on Big 10.  Somewhat time consuming, so be patient.

[Spracne]

I did not count any statistics from coaching jobs at schools below NCAA Division I

Izzo      16 straight tournaments, 1 NCAA championship, 3 Final Fours, 7 conf. champs, 2 conf. tourney champs

Matta      11 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Final Four, 8 conference champs, 7 conf. tourney champs

Ryan      12 straight tournaments, 1 Elite Eight, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 3 conf. champs, 2 conf tourney champs

Beilein      8 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Elite Eight, 3 conference champs, 2 conf. tourneys

Crean      7 tournaments, 1 Final Four, 2 Sweet Sixteens,  2 conference championships

Painter      7 tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens, 2 conference championships, 1 conf. tourney champ

McCaffery   5 tournaments, 2 round of 32, 3 conference championships, 5 conf. tournament champs
   
Groce      3 tournaments, 1 sweet sixteen, 2 MAC conference tournament champs

Chambers   1 tournament, 1 conference tournament championship

Miles      (NDSU, ’01-’07, whoop whoop) 1 tourney appearance

Pitino      nothing

Collins      nothing

[AndrewVonLintel]

I did not count any statistics from coaching jobs at schools below NCAA Division I

Izzo      16 straight tournaments, 1 NCAA championship, 3 Final Fours, 7 conf. champs, 2 conf. tourney champs

Matta      11 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Final Four, 8 conference champs, 7 conf. tourney champs

Ryan      12 straight tournaments, 1 Elite Eight, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 3 conf. champs, 2 conf tourney champs

Beilein      8 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Elite Eight, 3 conference champs, 2 conf. tourneys

Crean      7 tournaments, 1 Final Four, 2 Sweet Sixteens,  2 conference championships

Painter      7 tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens, 2 conference championships, 1 conf. tourney champ

McCaffery   5 tournaments, 2 round of 32, 3 conference championships, 5 conf. tournament champs
   
Groce      3 tournaments, 1 sweet sixteen, 2 MAC conference tournament champs

Chambers   1 tournament, 1 conference tournament championship

Miles      (NDSU, ’01-’07, whoop whoop) 1 tourney appearance

Pitino      nothing

Collins      nothing

Good work Spracne. I like it better with Final Four Appearances in Bold.

Big 10     # Tournament Elite Eights

Izzo        7
Matta     4
Beilein    2
Ryan      1
Crean     1

Big 10  has Coaches that have led their teams to 15 Elite Eights (12 Coaches)

Big 12 Coaches have led their teams to 23 Elite Eights  (10 Coaches)

[Spracne]

Just so no one is mislead, a national title implies a final four appearance; a final four appearance implies an elite eight, etc - although I did not count those explicitly.  I took the furthest advancement from each season, so while Beilein does not have a Final Four listed, he obviously made an appearance last year.  I inferred that this  was the methodology used by AVL, as well.

[Spracne]

I did not count any statistics from coaching jobs at schools below NCAA Division I

Izzo      16 straight tournaments, 1 NCAA championship, 3 Final Fours, 7 conf. champs, 2 conf. tourney champs

Matta      11 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Final Four, 8 conference champs, 7 conf. tourney champs

Ryan      12 straight tournaments, 1 Elite Eight, 4 Sweet Sixteens, 3 conf. champs, 2 conf tourney champs

Beilein      8 tournaments, 1 NCAA runner-up, 1 Elite Eight, 3 conference champs, 2 conf. tourneys

Crean      7 tournaments, 1 Final Four, 2 Sweet Sixteens,  2 conference championships

Painter      7 tournaments, 2 Sweet Sixteens, 2 conference championships, 1 conf. tourney champ

McCaffery   5 tournaments, 2 round of 32, 3 conference championships, 5 conf. tournament champs
   
Groce      3 tournaments, 1 sweet sixteen, 2 MAC conference tournament champs

Chambers   1 tournament, 1 conference tournament championship

Miles      (NDSU, ’01-’07, whoop whoop) 1 tourney appearance

Pitino      nothing

Collins      nothing

Good work Spracne. I like it better with Final Four Appearances in Bold.

Big 10     # Tournament Elite Eights

Izzo        7
Matta     4
Beilein    2
Ryan      1
Crean     1

Big 10  has Coaches that have led their teams to 15 Elite Eights (12 Coaches)

Big 12 Coaches have led their teams to 23 Elite Eights  (10 Coaches)

When laid out as I did, you can see that the bottom of the conference really lacks any coaching accomplishments to speak of.  I suspect the ACC would blow both of us out of the water.  K and Ol' Roy alone probably would.

[AndrewVonLintel]

I like that we chose to compare the Big 10 and the Big 12 because that is the conference that oscar spent his formative big time coaching years at.

In my above rankings  I focused on Elite Eights because I feel like it gets you past the "lucky" stage. After that you are losing to a fantastic team.


There is mega coaching star power in our conference and many of the coaches are relatively new to their teams. Kruger, Tubby Smith, Hoiberg, Weber, Trent Johnson. The competition will likely get much better especially from Kruger this year. I doubt Huggins stays down for long either.