Kansas City things

[DQ12]

So probably a stupid question, but if we close the plaza to cars, how would a place like shake shack get their burgers delivered?  just have the big truck park off of 46th or something?

[mocat]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

[DQ12]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

[Kat Kid]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

You know those little teeth things that prevent cars from going in areas?  They can be removed for emergency vehicles and delivery vehicles.

[star seed 7]

According to a very reliable plaza source, the delivery trucks show up at like 3 am on Tuesday so it's probably not a very big deal.

[mocat]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

You know those little teeth things that prevent cars from going in areas?  They can be removed for emergency vehicles and delivery vehicles.

these are called bollards

[KCFDcat]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

good question, I'm not a logistics person so I can't answer this exactly. But, places like this exist all around the world, I'm sure smarter people than I have figured it out.

Just imagine all the tree lined streets w sidewalk cafes you picture in Europe, there's not reason the Plaza can't emulate that.

[Phil Titola]

Closing down 47th probably not happening but could definitely close down Nichols

[cfbandyman]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

good question, I'm not a logistics person so I can't answer this exactly. But, places like this exist all around the world, I'm sure smarter people than I have figured it out.

Just imagine all the tree lined streets w sidewalk cafes you picture in Europe, there's not reason the Plaza can't emulate that.

Isn't the plaza already trying to emulate Madrid/Barcelona et al?

[michigancat]

Is there any way a streetcar is functionally better than a bus? Or a few busses?

[mocat]

Is there any way a streetcar is functionally better than a bus? Or a few busses?

one advantage streetcars have is that white midwestern people aren't afraid of riding them

[michigancat]

Is there any way a streetcar is functionally better than a bus? Or a few busses?

one advantage streetcars have is that white midwestern people aren't afraid of riding them

Yeah I suppose that's kind of a functional reason

[KCFDcat]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

good question, I'm not a logistics person so I can't answer this exactly. But, places like this exist all around the world, I'm sure smarter people than I have figured it out.

Just imagine all the tree lined streets w sidewalk cafes you picture in Europe, there's not reason the Plaza can't emulate that.

Isn't the plaza already trying to emulate Madrid/Barcelona et al?

yes it was designed after the old city in Seville, which I visited in 2018, and guess what they don't have in their streets...cars!

[KCFDcat]

Is there any way a streetcar is functionally better than a bus? Or a few busses?

one advantage streetcars have is that white midwestern people aren't afraid of riding them

Yeah I suppose that's kind of a functional reason

Yes, culture is the main reason. People look down on bus ridership, but trains are fun! Also they have the potential to be more green depending on how the electricity is generated

They do tend to spur development better than bus routes, since it's assumed that streetcar line will be there for generations, whereas a bus route could change tomorrow.

[KCFDcat]

Closing down 47th probably not happening but could definitely close down Nichols

Close Nichols running east-west and all the north-south streets between Wyandotte and Roanoke.

[pissclams]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

i meant like, getting burgers and stuff delivered to the store

good question, I'm not a logistics person so I can't answer this exactly. But, places like this exist all around the world, I'm sure smarter people than I have figured it out.

Just imagine all the tree lined streets w sidewalk cafes you picture in Europe, there's not reason the Plaza can't emulate that.

Isn't the plaza already trying to emulate Madrid/Barcelona et al?

yes it was designed after the old city in Seville, which I visited in 2018, and guess what they don't have in their streets...cars!

i hate to be the bearer of bad news but this is literally “kansas city avenue” in seville and there are, in fact, cars.  everywhere throughout seville, there are cars.

[pissclams]

(that) shake shack does not deliver.
but to answer your question what would probably happen is 47th would be closed to vehicles, and the other streets would remain open.

a 47th street consisting of patios and trees and whatnot makes too much sense so i'm sure it won't happen

closing 47th actually makes no sense.
as phil mentioned, nichols is very doable but what is really the point? the sidewalks aren’t full, we don’t need more space down here.  there’s too much dead space already, you can’t turn the plaza into kc’s version of the 3rd Street Promenade

my vision of the ccp shifts the district from mainly commercial to mainly residential.  this is the direction that they need to focus on

[Pete]

Perfect spot for light rail is down the middle of Ward parkway. Tear out those fountains and stuff.

[star seed 7]

Perfect spot for light rail is down the middle of Ward parkway. Tear out those fountains and stuff.

100% support this

[Dugout DickStone]

Gonna be able to walk your pooch right over 670 by 2024

[mocat]

a) it's annoying that we have to do this to fix colossal unforced errors of the past. thanks silent generation
b) i'm sure we'll f it up somehow and it will be a huge unused barney allis plaza type thing

[MakeItRain]

Is there any way a streetcar is functionally better than a bus? Or a few busses?

one advantage streetcars have is that white midwestern people aren't afraid of riding them

It was pretty jarring to see the crazy diversity of people riding the streetcars in Portland and the diversity of the places these streetcars went. I took one to what I'm pretty sure is the third circle of hell. Portland doesn't check for fares on their public transport so whomever the eff wants to ride gets on and believe me, they take advantage.

[Phil Titola]

 

Gonna be able to walk your pooch right over 670 by 2024

Going to make a bitchin' space for World Cup parties.  Actually that will probably be Liberty Memorial.

[bucket]

https://twitter.com/KCBJ_Thomas/status/1517538093833895942

[Phil Titola]

The dog crap at that park is going to be insane