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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8825 on: October 24, 2017, 02:15:21 PM »
the only potential for the taxpayer to be on the hook would be if somehow Edgemoor and it's bonding company failed, and the taxpayers had to fund completion.   But that's high, highly, HIGHLY unlikely.

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8826 on: October 24, 2017, 02:19:56 PM »
the only potential for the taxpayer to be on the hook would be if somehow Edgemoor and it's bonding company failed, and the taxpayers had to fund completion.   But that's high, highly, HIGHLY unlikely.

but not impossible and claiming no risk the the taxpayer is, as noted, disingenuous.  so, as usual, slyin is slyin in an effort to further his agenda

 


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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8827 on: October 24, 2017, 02:23:57 PM »
pro new terminal business case:  in spite of reality, we anticipate passenger growth rates in order to make this business case float above the red
pro new terminal people:  we ignore reality that shows no growth through the last decade, passenger growth will happen and the business case assumptions are correct
facts:  passenger rate goes down YoY
pro new terminal people:  well passenger rate would have gone up if it weren't for this damn old terminal

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8828 on: October 24, 2017, 02:26:15 PM »
the only potential for the taxpayer to be on the hook would be if somehow Edgemoor and it's bonding company failed, and the taxpayers had to fund completion.   But that's high, highly, HIGHLY unlikely.

but not impossible and claiming no risk the the taxpayer is, as noted, disingenuous.  so, as usual, slyin is slyin in an effort to further his agenda
Not accurate. Taxpayers would still not be on the hook. The airport authority would work with the city to issue airport bonds...still supported by airport revenues, not taxpayers.

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8829 on: October 24, 2017, 02:36:06 PM »


pro new terminal business case:  in spite of reality, we anticipate passenger growth rates in order to make this business case float above the red
pro new terminal people:  we ignore reality that shows no growth through the last decade, passenger growth will happen and the business case assumptions are correct
facts:  passenger rate goes down YoY
pro new terminal people:  well passenger rate would have gone up if it weren't for this damn old terminal

lulz

Not accurate. Kci passenger grew for 36+ months straight and assumption of growth is less than 2%... Below normal historic growth rate

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« Reply #8830 on: October 24, 2017, 02:38:38 PM »

New terminals in other cities has not led to increase in ticket prices for those markets.

Well, the ticket prices will increase - that's how MCI is being financed - coupled with investment from the airlines. 

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« Reply #8831 on: October 24, 2017, 02:42:00 PM »

New terminals in other cities has not led to increase in ticket prices for those markets.

Well, the ticket prices will increase - that's how MCI is being financed - coupled with investment from the airlines.
That line item will increase...yes. the total ticket costs still align with average flight prices across the country....our PFC (not finalized) should still be below US airport average

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« Reply #8832 on: October 24, 2017, 02:46:55 PM »

New terminals in other cities has not led to increase in ticket prices for those markets.

Well, the ticket prices will increase - that's how MCI is being financed - coupled with investment from the airlines.
That line item will increase...yes. the total ticket costs still align with average flight prices across the country....our PFC (not finalized) should still be below US airport average

This all may be true.  But I presume Edgemoor's private financier has projected what the ticket increases will have to be to make the financing work and it would make sense that this is information possessed by the City.  It would be alarming if this due diligence has not been done. 

I think this information should be made available.   

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8833 on: October 24, 2017, 02:50:27 PM »
the only potential for the taxpayer to be on the hook would be if somehow Edgemoor and it's bonding company failed, and the taxpayers had to fund completion.   But that's high, highly, HIGHLY unlikely.

but not impossible and claiming no risk the the taxpayer is, as noted, disingenuous.  so, as usual, slyin is slyin in an effort to further his agenda

it's probably more likely a taxpayer gets killed by a great white shark than Edgemoor and it's bonding company going broke....

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8834 on: October 24, 2017, 04:12:21 PM »


pro new terminal business case:  in spite of reality, we anticipate passenger growth rates in order to make this business case float above the red
pro new terminal people:  we ignore reality that shows no growth through the last decade, passenger growth will happen and the business case assumptions are correct
facts:  passenger rate goes down YoY
pro new terminal people:  well passenger rate would have gone up if it weren't for this damn old terminal

lulz

Not accurate. Kci passenger grew for 36+ months straight and assumption of growth is less than 2%... Below normal historic growth rate

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how’s the past decade look?


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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8835 on: October 24, 2017, 04:21:25 PM »


pro new terminal business case:  in spite of reality, we anticipate passenger growth rates in order to make this business case float above the red
pro new terminal people:  we ignore reality that shows no growth through the last decade, passenger growth will happen and the business case assumptions are correct
facts:  passenger rate goes down YoY
pro new terminal people:  well passenger rate would have gone up if it weren't for this damn old terminal

lulz

Not accurate. Kci passenger grew for 36+ months straight and assumption of growth is less than 2%... Below normal historic growth rate

full
of
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how’s the past decade look?

how does this year compare to last?


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« Reply #8836 on: October 24, 2017, 06:23:03 PM »


pro new terminal business case:  in spite of reality, we anticipate passenger growth rates in order to make this business case float above the red
pro new terminal people:  we ignore reality that shows no growth through the last decade, passenger growth will happen and the business case assumptions are correct
facts:  passenger rate goes down YoY
pro new terminal people:  well passenger rate would have gone up if it weren't for this damn old terminal

lulz

Not accurate. Kci passenger grew for 36+ months straight and assumption of growth is less than 2%... Below normal historic growth rate

full
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how’s the past decade look?

how does this year compare to last?

4.5% increase
http://www.flykci.com/media/1673/stats-2017-september.pdf

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8837 on: October 24, 2017, 06:28:25 PM »


pro new terminal business case:  in spite of reality, we anticipate passenger growth rates in order to make this business case float above the red
pro new terminal people:  we ignore reality that shows no growth through the last decade, passenger growth will happen and the business case assumptions are correct
facts:  passenger rate goes down YoY
pro new terminal people:  well passenger rate would have gone up if it weren't for this damn old terminal

lulz

Not accurate. Kci passenger grew for 36+ months straight and assumption of growth is less than 2%... Below normal historic growth rate

full
of
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how’s the past decade look?

KCI statistics page doesn't go back to 2007 but there is a presentation showing passenger levels since 1972-2014 here (page 33):

http://www.flykci.com/media/1434/23feb16-airport-committee-air-service-plus-financing-plan.pdf

Showing 2014 slightly above 2006 (below 2007/08 as we had the Midwest express hub then)

Since 2014 YoY
2015 +3% http://www.flykci.com/media/1428/stats-2015-dec.pdf
2016 +5.4% http://www.flykci.com/media/1583/stats-2016-december.pdf
2017 provided in post earlier.

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8838 on: October 24, 2017, 06:30:07 PM »
I can't wait to fly out of this new terminal. :woohoo:

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8839 on: October 24, 2017, 09:01:23 PM »
so i’m right, thanks for the confirmation


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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8840 on: October 25, 2017, 09:00:32 AM »
How's the new terminal progressing guys?  Looking pretty good here.  Can't wait!






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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8841 on: October 25, 2017, 09:41:07 AM »
T's and P's tdaver that must be awful

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Re: Kansas City things
« Reply #8842 on: October 25, 2017, 10:47:27 AM »

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« Reply #8843 on: October 25, 2017, 10:51:40 AM »
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« Reply #8845 on: October 25, 2017, 11:05:06 AM »
Probably caught some punk stealing his fishing shoes
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« Reply #8846 on: October 25, 2017, 03:10:01 PM »
Sounds like it was probably an execution
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« Reply #8847 on: October 25, 2017, 03:18:41 PM »
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« Reply #8849 on: October 25, 2017, 04:16:50 PM »
http://www.kansascity.com/news/business/article180878701.html

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