Kansas City things

[pissclams]

sad to see the city's manager be bullied by the tsa and the airlines responsible for providing security screening, not surprised though

[Phil Titola]

sad to see the city's manager be bullied by the tsa and the airlines responsible for providing security screening, not surprised though

Agreed.  Shameful.

[pissclams]

airlines to kc:  build us a new airport!
kc: yes sir whatever you want sir, can we please have more security?
airlines to kc: no, now build us a new airport
sly james to airlines: oh yes sir yes sir, please sir let me get that done for you immediately

sad

[Phil Titola]

airlines to KC:  There ain't no room for more security you dolts.

KC to airlines:  I like mah 100 feet to the planes! 

[pissclams]

airlines to KC:  There ain't no room for more security you dolts.

KC to airlines:  I like mah 100 feet to the planes! 

reality:  there is more room than needed unless you ignore a 3/4 emtpy c and shuttered terminal a

[The Big Train]

This is so great

[Phil Titola]

airlines to KC:  There ain't no room for more security you dolts.

KC to airlines:  I like mah 100 feet to the planes! 

reality:  there is more room than needed unless you ignore a 3/4 emtpy c and shuttered terminal a

So renovate, make A the pre security and security checkpoint area, rail to the boarding gates in B & C?   That was studied...costed more and gets rid of the only perceived convenience of KCI.

Every part of C is used currently FYI.  KC's second busiest airline is in there.

[Phil Titola]

This is so great

It's how MLK would have wanted it I think.  He hated KCI I've heard. 

[star seed 7]

He had a dream of a single terminal

[mocat]

Every part of C is used currently FYI.  KC's second busiest airline is in there.

[pissclams]

So renovate, make A the pre security and security checkpoint area, rail to the boarding gates in B & C?   That was studied...costed more and gets rid of the only perceived convenience of KCI.

you're the only person in the city that believes that

[Phil Titola]

So renovate, make A the pre security and security checkpoint area, rail to the boarding gates in B & C?   That was studied...costed more and gets rid of the only perceived convenience of KCI.

you're the only person in the city that believes that

I love the era of we're all experts in everything and if it doesn't fit my agenda then it has to be wrong.  Great way to get things done!

[Emo EMAW]

Bike shed theory.

[pissclams]

So renovate, make A the pre security and security checkpoint area, rail to the boarding gates in B & C?   That was studied...costed more and gets rid of the only perceived convenience of KCI.

you're the only person in the city that believes that

I love the era of we're all experts in everything and if it doesn't fit my agenda then it has to be wrong.  Great way to get things done!

yup.  the "cost estimates" that you're referring to were generated by sly's people to fit sly's single terminal agenda.
no serious cost studies can be done without a more formal construction plan, which in the case of mci, does not exist

[Phil Titola]

So renovate, make A the pre security and security checkpoint area, rail to the boarding gates in B & C?   That was studied...costed more and gets rid of the only perceived convenience of KCI.

you're the only person in the city that believes that

I love the era of we're all experts in everything and if it doesn't fit my agenda then it has to be wrong.  Great way to get things done!

yup.  the "cost estimates" that you're referring to were generated by sly's people to fit sly's single terminal agenda.
no serious cost studies can be done without a more formal construction plan, which in the case of mci, does not exist

"Let's spend $4MM to get a 'formal construction plan' so we can get better costs for a project that doesn't fix the problem"  - Clam'nomics

[mocat]

we need a martyrmade podcast to break down the roots of the pissclamsi-titolan war. i think it would be a mistake to dismissively say "oh they've always been fighting each other"

[michigancat]

This season of serial will focus on the future of MCI

[Phil Titola]

I mean the airport committee below went through 27 concepts (9 of those renovation concepts) and is on year 3 of this....but yes, let's spend more time and money to find a solution that makes renovating 40+ year old buildings that were designed at a time before security even existed to get on an airport that works "meh, okay"

Airport Committee members:
Bob Berkebile (co-chair), David Fowler (co-chair), Jesse Barnes, Zulema Bassham, Forrestine Beasley, David Byers, Chuck Caisley, Dan Cranshaw, Prentiss Earl, III, John Fierro, Kevin Koster, John McDonald, Mike McKeen, Paula Meidel, Nikki Newton, Mark Pederson, Joe Reardon, Nia Richardson, Bill Skaggs, Alicia Stephens, Reggie Thomas, Qiana Thomason, Sheila Tracy and Donna Wilson Peters

Not only Sly yes men.

[pissclams]

who appointed them?

[Phil Titola]

we need a martyrmade podcast to break down the roots of the pissclamsi-titolan war. i think it would be a mistake to dismissively say "oh they've always been fighting each other"

1920...ole pappie Clams didn't think we needed to build MKC....Richards Field was "good enough"...bad location picked by ole man Titola though....hemmed in by the river...

[Phil Titola]

who appointed them?

Sly...and he put some of the biggest critics of the "new terminal movement" (NTM) on that committee.  You must have not answered his call

[pissclams]

thought so

[Phil Titola]

thought so

[cfbandyman]

we need a martyrmade podcast to break down the roots of the pissclamsi-titolan war. i think it would be a mistake to dismissively say "oh they've always been fighting each other"

It can be recorded at KCFDcat's Double Shift with an open forum to follow.

[Pete]

I just want to continue to be able to easily park in the garage, and quickly walk to/from the gate for about the same cost as today.