Author Topic: Kansas City things (Read 1007867 times)

star seed 7 · « **Reply #3325 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:18:47 PM »

HE'S STILL AT IT MOCAT

Missouriscribe · « **Reply #3326 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:26:01 PM »

Guys, get everyone in here. Lib 7 cannot argue his head out of his ass and is gonna need help.

Yep, I think handing over half of a business's development costs to them is very Iowa state-y. OH YOU'LL COME TO OUR TOWN AND BUILD, MAYBE? HERE, HERE'S HALF OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION COSTS.

star seed 7 · « **Reply #3327 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:30:57 PM »

omg keep going

Phil Titola · « **Reply #3328 on:** November 13, 2015, 06:59:55 PM »

So angry.

mocat · « **Reply #3329 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:04:02 PM »

How much are they raising our taxes for this castle?

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #3330 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:32:17 PM »

Quote from: KCFDcat on November 13, 2015, 03:11:50 PM

Quote from: pissclams on November 13, 2015, 12:33:34 PM
ok maybe "put in check" was a bit strong, my point is that KCFD's life would have been a lot easier if he could operate w/o a liquor license, or HDA compliance, etc. good thing for the hyatt investment group that the rules don't apply to them.

I guess I understand what you're trying to say. But a few things you're missing:
1. The City was fairly easy to work with (easiest of the three levels of gov I dealt with)
2. The biggest PITA was dealing with the crossroads assoc. the only reason I got past that was with help from the City
3. KCMO is not giving Hyatt a blank check and saying build whatever you want...they still have to follow the laws
4. Typically, a TIF of this size would not go to vote anyways, so why bitch about it?

My biggest beef with KCMO in my whole process was that their laws for liquor licensing are insane. Which is not Sly's fault, these have been in place since prohibition. literally unchanged. Essentially how it works, if you want to open a bar/restaurant/liquor store/anything the sells tobacco etc etc you have to get a neighborhood license. at least 51% of the building owners around you have to OK your plans with a signature. This is very detailed, want to put in a dart board? Signature. Have a dance floor? Signature. Outdoor Patio? Signature. It's a totally crazy process.

Now, In my case ONE person owns over 60% of the buildings around me. I had to convince this one guy (who doesn't drink, and hates any sort of night life) that my business is good for the area. He got to dictate what beer we can serve (only what we make), What hours we're open, what days we're open, if we can have a patio (we can't), how late our large roll-up doors can stay open, plus about 5 or 6 other things. Essentially he has more sway on my business than I do.

I don't mind the stipulation of having to get neighborhood approval. But, if you own more than one piece of property you should only be allowed one vote. The law makes it so larger land owners have more power.

TL;DR the KC liquor laws are weird AF.

'clams overall point, I think, is that its bullshit you have to deal with this, but places like P&L get to do whatever they want. I assure you those rules were waved for McFaddens

CNS · « **Reply #3331 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:37:14 PM »

I would assume that the developer of P&L are in a similar sitch as that guy who owns 60% of the crossroad district.

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Dr Rick Daris · « **Reply #3332 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:40:01 PM »

hey mcfaddens, i don't like tequila so you can't serve it!

star seed 7 · « **Reply #3333 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:40:43 PM »

Quote from: CNS on November 13, 2015, 07:37:14 PM

I would assume that the developer of P&L are in a similar sitch as that guy who owns 60% of the crossroad district.

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and all the neighbors probably love the crap out of P&L

CNS · « **Reply #3334 on:** November 13, 2015, 07:42:17 PM »

I meant that I bet the P&L is deemed it's own district.

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KCFDcat · « **Reply #3335 on:** November 14, 2015, 01:23:30 AM »

Quote from: CNS on November 13, 2015, 07:42:17 PM

I meant that I bet the P&L is deemed it's own district.

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I don't know the details of p&l and I don't really care. I'm sure they had to get their signatures but I'm also they had their own advantages. It happens.

Larger companies get certain privileges.

wetwillie · « **Reply #3336 on:** November 14, 2015, 10:38:37 PM »

an urban farming project im interested in is going in at 29th & Wabash in KCMO, anyone drive by that area lately?

KCFDcat · « **Reply #3337 on:** November 15, 2015, 04:15:33 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on November 14, 2015, 10:38:37 PM

an urban farming project im interested in is going in at 29th & Wabash in KCMO, anyone drive by that area lately?

The people that live in that neighborhood care about it. Sucks that there is violence there. But, it's much better now than it has been in the past.

I'm pretty sure there's just a big parking lot at 29th and Wabash...

mocat · « **Reply #3338 on:** November 17, 2015, 11:27:49 AM »

this won't get built but it is pretty sexy (46th between Wornall and Broadway)

pissclams · « **Reply #3339 on:** November 17, 2015, 12:53:35 PM »

very overland park-y-corporate woodish
the same idiot architects keep pumping out the same ugly crap around the plaza.

Phil Titola · « **Reply #3340 on:** November 22, 2015, 09:35:08 PM »

Waks.... Eggtc moving into the neighborhood next to quaff

8manpick · « **Reply #3341 on:** November 22, 2015, 09:57:49 PM »

Quote from: Phil Titola on November 22, 2015, 09:35:08 PM

Waks.... Eggtc moving into the neighborhood next to quaff

IHOP pass on the space?

mocat · « **Reply #3342 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:26:31 AM »

Quote from: Phil Titola on November 22, 2015, 09:35:08 PM

Waks.... Eggtc moving into the neighborhood next to quaff

like, inside club 1000 or what

'taterblast · « **Reply #3343 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:29:06 AM »

why would they move there? there's already a Denny's pretty close to that

mocat · « **Reply #3344 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:29:51 AM »

i don't think eggct and denny's cater to the same clientele

'taterblast · « **Reply #3345 on:** November 23, 2015, 09:30:41 AM »

Quote from: mocat on November 23, 2015, 09:29:51 AM

i don't think eggct and denny's caters to the same clientele

Phil Titola · « **Reply #3346 on:** November 23, 2015, 10:02:09 AM »

Quote from: mocat on November 23, 2015, 09:26:31 AM

Quote from: Phil Titola on November 22, 2015, 09:35:08 PM
Waks.... Eggtc moving into the neighborhood next to quaff

like, inside club 1000 or what

Yeah that building. I assume same floor as tanners and club 1000 will continue in the above floors.

Its nothing too exciting but it's better than the event space there.... I've never eaten at one but I hear the plaza one is busy and they serve booze so welcome to the neighborhood!

mocat · « **Reply #3347 on:** November 23, 2015, 10:04:07 AM »

the 51st and main one is always prohibitively busy

Belvis Noland · « **Reply #3348 on:** November 23, 2015, 10:16:25 AM »

Eggtc is pretty awesome IMO. good get for the neighborhood.

Cire · « **Reply #3349 on:** November 23, 2015, 10:30:57 AM »

My wife's aunt gave her a 200$ gift card to Piropos.

Is it any good?