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KC is the worst. Some advice: see if you can get with codes and ask of you can request the same inspector for the multiple inspections you will get over the process. Then meet with that guy and your contractor to get a feel for what he will be looking hardest at. Then focus on that crap. It will make it so that interpretation of the code isn't juggled from one inspector to another visit to visit, and also so that you are as prepared as possible for the initial inspections because they get to be more of a stickler when they do re-inspections.
KC is the worst.
Quote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:04:10 PMKC is the worst.just curious, what are you comparing KC to in this situation?in my experience most medium/large cities are "the worst", but the actual worst is a tie between San Diego and Miami-Dade county.
Finally got our building permits for the brewery today! it's very kansas city to have our project go through three months of plan review apparently.
Other local munis. OP, Leawood, Lenexa, etc. Have never had the pleasure of anything requiring permits outside NE KS or NW MO.
Quote from: mocat on February 20, 2015, 01:18:50 PMQuote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:04:10 PMKC is the worst.just curious, what are you comparing KC to in this situation?in my experience most medium/large cities are "the worst", but the actual worst is a tie between San Diego and Miami-Dade county.I'm sure the big cities/cities with historical buildings really are "the worst" I have a friend that is an architect in Boston and building/renovating stuff there is next to impossible. In my opinion KC is just very understaffed/unorganized so things take way too long. combine that with a lot of construction going on downtown and their plan reviewers are really swamped. In everything I've done with the city for licensing/brewing/liquor control the city has not been very helpful or just plain didn't know how to do something. It's very frustrating that a city practically begging for businesses to come downtown is as unhelpful as it has been, especially coming from a first time business owner.
Quote from: KCFDcat on February 20, 2015, 12:59:01 PMFinally got our building permits for the brewery today! it's very kansas city to have our project go through three months of plan review apparently. That sucks, supposedly they have been trying to make a small business one stop shophttp://kcmo.gov/kcbizcare/about/Sounds like your hold up was planning department. Sad because of the crap they let get through (see new Hilton2 hotel building design by you). Definitely give feedback to the city....Rick Usher is the right ear to bend. Feedback is the only way they will get better.
Quote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:27:29 PMOther local munis. OP, Leawood, Lenexa, etc. Have never had the pleasure of anything requiring permits outside NE KS or NW MO.What is different?
Quote from: KCFDcat on February 20, 2015, 01:30:21 PMQuote from: mocat on February 20, 2015, 01:18:50 PMQuote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:04:10 PMKC is the worst.just curious, what are you comparing KC to in this situation?in my experience most medium/large cities are "the worst", but the actual worst is a tie between San Diego and Miami-Dade county.I'm sure the big cities/cities with historical buildings really are "the worst" I have a friend that is an architect in Boston and building/renovating stuff there is next to impossible. In my opinion KC is just very understaffed/unorganized so things take way too long. combine that with a lot of construction going on downtown and their plan reviewers are really swamped. In everything I've done with the city for licensing/brewing/liquor control the city has not been very helpful or just plain didn't know how to do something. It's very frustrating that a city practically begging for businesses to come downtown is as unhelpful as it has been, especially coming from a first time business owner.Unfortunately you are entering one of the most regulated of businesses when you mix in liquor and manufacturing and public spaces.....laws to prevent another Pendergast type probably have a lot to do with it too.
Quote from: Phil Titola on February 20, 2015, 04:06:31 PMQuote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:27:29 PMOther local munis. OP, Leawood, Lenexa, etc. Have never had the pleasure of anything requiring permits outside NE KS or NW MO.What is different?Ease, time, accountability, ability to reach someone, etc. That said, the inspectors are better, imo.
Quote from: Phil Titola on February 20, 2015, 04:09:06 PMQuote from: KCFDcat on February 20, 2015, 01:30:21 PMQuote from: mocat on February 20, 2015, 01:18:50 PMQuote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:04:10 PMKC is the worst.just curious, what are you comparing KC to in this situation?in my experience most medium/large cities are "the worst", but the actual worst is a tie between San Diego and Miami-Dade county.I'm sure the big cities/cities with historical buildings really are "the worst" I have a friend that is an architect in Boston and building/renovating stuff there is next to impossible. In my opinion KC is just very understaffed/unorganized so things take way too long. combine that with a lot of construction going on downtown and their plan reviewers are really swamped. In everything I've done with the city for licensing/brewing/liquor control the city has not been very helpful or just plain didn't know how to do something. It's very frustrating that a city practically begging for businesses to come downtown is as unhelpful as it has been, especially coming from a first time business owner.Unfortunately you are entering one of the most regulated of businesses when you mix in liquor and manufacturing and public spaces.....laws to prevent another Pendergast type probably have a lot to do with it too.Exactly, I don't mind regulation, but when the government is so unfamiliar with the process that they don't know which forms to complete or how to get what I need it's obviously over regulated.
Quote from: KCFDcat on February 20, 2015, 04:11:20 PMQuote from: Phil Titola on February 20, 2015, 04:09:06 PMQuote from: KCFDcat on February 20, 2015, 01:30:21 PMQuote from: mocat on February 20, 2015, 01:18:50 PMQuote from: CNS on February 20, 2015, 01:04:10 PMKC is the worst.just curious, what are you comparing KC to in this situation?in my experience most medium/large cities are "the worst", but the actual worst is a tie between San Diego and Miami-Dade county.I'm sure the big cities/cities with historical buildings really are "the worst" I have a friend that is an architect in Boston and building/renovating stuff there is next to impossible. In my opinion KC is just very understaffed/unorganized so things take way too long. combine that with a lot of construction going on downtown and their plan reviewers are really swamped. In everything I've done with the city for licensing/brewing/liquor control the city has not been very helpful or just plain didn't know how to do something. It's very frustrating that a city practically begging for businesses to come downtown is as unhelpful as it has been, especially coming from a first time business owner.Unfortunately you are entering one of the most regulated of businesses when you mix in liquor and manufacturing and public spaces.....laws to prevent another Pendergast type probably have a lot to do with it too.Exactly, I don't mind regulation, but when the government is so unfamiliar with the process that they don't know which forms to complete or how to get what I need it's obviously over regulated.Tell your story to Usher (via email, etc) if you have time...can't hurt. Oh and we'll make it worth your while!!!! Good luck on the construction.
No, sorry for confusion. Speaking to general construction. I have never built a brewery.
I can tell you that all cities of any size make permitting v difficult Los Angeles is brutal
Quote from: pissclams on February 20, 2015, 04:40:33 PMI can tell you that all cities of any size make permitting v difficult Los Angeles is brutalthis is actually one area where LA and Dallas are v. different because you can build anything anywhere in Dallas anytime
Quote from: mocat on February 20, 2015, 07:51:18 PMQuote from: pissclams on February 20, 2015, 04:40:33 PMI can tell you that all cities of any size make permitting v difficult Los Angeles is brutalthis is actually one area where LA and Dallas are v. different because you can build anything anywhere in Dallas anytimeThat's like a billion things the same and one thing different.
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