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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #225 on: July 19, 2013, 11:32:46 AM »
Check out the blurb at the bottom that doesn't fit the agenda.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2013/6

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #226 on: July 19, 2013, 12:46:08 PM »
Check out the blurb at the bottom that doesn't fit the agenda.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2013/6

there were two paragraphs.  a top one and a bottom one.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #227 on: July 19, 2013, 12:56:44 PM »
I know it's crazy for Warmist to comprehend, because for the Warmist all roads lead to AGW/CO2. 

But the earth might just be going through a warming period, but then again, there hasn't been any significant rise in global mean temps for well over a decade (which has the Warmist agenda in a quite a tizzy), and the current actual temp trend is almost a half to a full degree below the Hockey Stick model. 

But considering that we have but a tiny blip of actual real temp (and even that is up for debate based on the ongoing investigations into weather station siting) measurements relative to Earth's history, we should immediately jump to conclusions and impose radical changes, rather than a well thought out gradual and sustained reduction in carbon emissions.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #228 on: July 19, 2013, 02:08:19 PM »
Check out the blurb at the bottom that doesn't fit the agenda.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global-snow/2013/6

there were two paragraphs.  a top one and a bottom one.

The 2 sentences about the southern hemisphere ice increasing.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #229 on: July 19, 2013, 02:14:31 PM »
Good news.  I'd take Antarctica over the stupid North Pole all day long.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #230 on: July 19, 2013, 06:43:56 PM »
The 2 sentences about the southern hemisphere ice increasing.

that was half the article.
"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #231 on: July 19, 2013, 10:06:55 PM »
I saw a movie once that showed what happens when the caps melt, the earth turns on its side :runaway:
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If the models are all wrong
« Reply #232 on: July 20, 2013, 10:00:33 AM »
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/6

June was the 340th consecutive month of above average temperatures  :dunno:

I think everyone agrees that, regardless of human activity, the earth will warm at some rate.  Global warming alarmist and global warming skeptics only disagree on how quickly warming will occur.  So far, alarmist have been wrong.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #233 on: July 22, 2013, 08:13:37 AM »
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/sotc/global/2013/6

June was the 340th consecutive month of above average temperatures  :dunno:

I think everyone agrees that, regardless of human activity, the earth will warm at some rate.  Global warming alarmist and global warming skeptics only disagree on how quickly warming will occur.  So far, alarmist have been wrong.

You are dead wrong here. There is nothing that everyone agrees with.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #234 on: July 22, 2013, 09:44:33 AM »
I saw a movie once that showed what happens when the caps melt, the earth turns on its side :runaway:

Was the Waterworld? I like that movie.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #235 on: July 25, 2013, 06:35:23 PM »
http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/there-lake-north-pole.html

I love the shift from denial to natural causes.  Can't wait for the next line of bullshit.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #236 on: July 25, 2013, 06:40:57 PM »
http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/there-lake-north-pole.html

I love the shift from denial to natural causes.  Can't wait for the next line of bullshit.

See, I knew the blurb on the noaa sight above would be missed.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #237 on: July 25, 2013, 09:12:35 PM »
Wow, hadn't heard the  "the ice caps are a white T-shirt and the ocean is a black T-shirt" and "the ice cap is a sun reflecting force field" analogies.  :lol:  nice find ednksu.

At this point, I think its safe to say these guise are just making thing up as they go along
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #238 on: July 25, 2013, 09:49:24 PM »
http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/there-lake-north-pole.html

I love the shift from denial to natural causes.  Can't wait for the next line of bullshit.

See, I knew the blurb on the noaa sight above would be missed.
LULZ only and idiot would see those trends as inverse. 

Also which hemisphere has the majority of industrial production?  What that coriolis effect do?
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #239 on: July 26, 2013, 12:49:24 AM »
http://www.treehugger.com/climate-change/there-lake-north-pole.html

I love the shift from denial to natural causes.  Can't wait for the next line of bullshit.

See, I knew the blurb on the noaa sight above would be missed.
LULZ only and idiot would see those trends as inverse. 

Also which hemisphere has the majority of industrial production?  What that coriolis effect do?

LOL, you're digging deep now.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #240 on: July 26, 2013, 05:50:30 AM »
Some who study arctic ice and the significant impact that ocean currents have on them are saying we've passed through a regularly occurring ice minimum cycle and arctic ice extent will be trending back up. 

But never let a good "crisis" go to waste, right?


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #242 on: July 26, 2013, 12:40:11 PM »
Who needs climate scientists when you've got bloggers and other deniers out there to do all the "scientific" research?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #243 on: July 26, 2013, 12:54:29 PM »
Warmist Dictatorship:  Listen to no one else but us.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #244 on: July 26, 2013, 01:06:22 PM »
Warmist Dictatorship:  Listen to no one else but us.


Why go to the doctor when you can just hit up your neighborhood blogger?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #245 on: July 26, 2013, 01:10:22 PM »
I put all my trust in treehugger.com. NOAA can suck it.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #246 on: July 26, 2013, 01:17:09 PM »
I put all my trust in treehugger.com. NOAA can suck it.


nationalgeographic.com and NASA.com = "treehugger.com" in the eyes of a denier.

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"experienced commanders will simply be smeared and will actually go to the meat."

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #248 on: July 26, 2013, 01:35:41 PM »
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23409404



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Professor Rowan Sutton, of Reading University, said computer simulations or models of possible future climate scenarios often show periods of ten years with no warming trend - some even show pauses of 20-25 years.

And Professor Stephen Belcher, head of the Met Office Hadley Centre, said observations and models showed that on average there were - or would be - two pauses in warming every century.

I asked why this had not come up in earlier presentations. No one really had an answer, except to say that this "message" about pauses had not been communicated widely.

So where does this leave us, as greenhouse gases emissions keep rising but the temperature does not?

Dr Peter Stott, of the Met Office, pointed out that 12 of the 14 warmest years have occurred since the year 2000 and says that other indicators - like the decline in Arctic sea ice of 12.9% per decade and losses of snow cover and glaciers - still point to a process of manmade warming.

But what about another possibility - that the calculations are wrong?

What if the climate models - which are the very basis for all discussions of what to do about global warming - exaggerate the sensitivity of the climate to rising carbon dioxide?

Dr Stott conceded that the projections showing the most rapid warming now look less likely, given recent observations, but that others remain largely unchanged.

A Met Office briefing document, released at the briefing, says that, even allowing for the temperatures of the last decade, the most likely warming scenario is only reduced by 10% - so "the warming that we might have expected by 2050 would be delayed by only a few years".

Overall, it concludes, the pause "does not materially alter the risks of substantial warming of the Earth by the end of this century."

In other words, global warming is still on.

But until the pause can be properly explained, many people will take a lot of convincing - especially if the pause lasts longer than expected.


Interesting. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #249 on: July 26, 2013, 01:41:07 PM »
Translation:  They really don't know, but they'll keep throwing around words like "consensus" and "deniers" to fit a political agenda.