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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #175 on: July 09, 2013, 01:08:30 PM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

Michigancat, please explain how affirmative legislation like farm subsidies qualifies as an "unintended consequence"?  Seems awfully intended to me.

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not 100% sure you have a strong grasp on what unintended consequence means here

Shut up, libtard.  You are clueless.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #176 on: July 09, 2013, 01:09:14 PM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

Doubt it.  If we didn't grow it someone else would (Canada, Russia, China).  There's more potential supply at this point than demand. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #177 on: July 09, 2013, 01:13:30 PM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

Doubt it.  If we didn't grow it someone else would (Canada, Russia, China).  There's more potential supply at this point than demand.


Are you really implying that importing most of our food supply would somehow be less expensive than supplying it ourselves?


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #178 on: July 09, 2013, 01:13:46 PM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

Michigancat, please explain how affirmative legislation like farm subsidies qualifies as an "unintended consequence"?  Seems awfully intended to me.

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not 100% sure you have a strong grasp on what unintended consequence means here

Shut up, libtard.  You are clueless.


Looks like the mental midget is getting pissed.

Not sure you remember, but you dubbed yourself the mental midget here.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #179 on: July 09, 2013, 01:15:47 PM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

Doubt it.  If we didn't grow it someone else would (Canada, Russia, China).  There's more potential supply at this point than demand.


Are you really implying that importing most of our food supply would somehow be less expensive than supplying it ourselves?


 :lol:

Yeah, name one thing we make here that we also import where the import isn't more expensive.


What a rough ridin' dolt.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #180 on: July 09, 2013, 01:17:32 PM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

Doubt it.  If we didn't grow it someone else would (Canada, Russia, China).  There's more potential supply at this point than demand.

They aren't growing it now because we subsidize it to the point that they cannot compete with our prices. Drop the subsidies, and those other countries will start growing grain at the market rate, which is much higher than we are paying right now. We also lose our biggest export as a nation.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #181 on: July 09, 2013, 01:21:40 PM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

Doubt it.  If we didn't grow it someone else would (Canada, Russia, China).  There's more potential supply at this point than demand.


Are you really implying that importing most of our food supply would somehow be less expensive than supplying it ourselves?


 :lol:

Yeah, name one thing we make here that we also import where the import isn't more expensive.


What a rough ridin' dolt.


The mental midget doesn't understand the difference between agricultural commodities and durable goods. 


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #182 on: July 09, 2013, 01:25:50 PM »
Ben would benefit from doing a little research before he posts.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #183 on: July 09, 2013, 01:29:35 PM »
Ben would benefit from doing a little research before he posts.

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Says the mental midget who wants to export all of our food supply to countries like Russia and China.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #184 on: July 09, 2013, 01:37:02 PM »
Ben would benefit from doing a little research before he posts.

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Says the mental midget who wants to export all of our food supply to countries like Russia and China.


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To be fair, he wants to stop exporting to them and import food from them at whatever price is profitable for them to grow it (a much higher price than we are paying to grow our own).

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #185 on: July 09, 2013, 01:43:52 PM »
To be fair, I said nothing of the sort.  Ben is grasping at straws and looking like a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), which is pretty much his m.o.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #186 on: July 09, 2013, 01:44:53 PM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

Doubt it.  If we didn't grow it someone else would (Canada, Russia, China).  There's more potential supply at this point than demand.

They aren't growing it now because we subsidize it to the point that they cannot compete with our prices. Drop the subsidies, and those other countries will start growing grain at the market rate, which is much higher than we are paying right now. We also lose our biggest export as a nation.

I agree.  That's why I said if we don't grow it someone else will.

I'm not advocating for stopping farming out there, I'm just debunking some theories on why we shouldn't.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #187 on: July 09, 2013, 01:45:44 PM »
Ben would benefit from doing a little research before he posts.

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Says the mental midget who wants to export all of our food supply to countries like Russia and China.


 :lol:

To be fair, he wants to stop exporting to them and import food from them at whatever price is profitable for them to grow it (a much higher price than we are paying to grow our own).


Right.  China and Russia would essentially own our food supply, because we'd be importing from them and not producing any of our own.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #188 on: July 09, 2013, 01:48:59 PM »
But not at ridiculously higher prices than we pay today. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #189 on: July 09, 2013, 01:51:42 PM »
this thread did a nose dive off the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) cliff. and it was already cruising down Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) blvd to begin with.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #190 on: July 09, 2013, 01:54:54 PM »
But not at ridiculously higher prices than we pay today.


It's basic supply and demand.  There's no way you could decrease the food supply by that much and expect prices to remain stable.  Also, when imports > exports, GDP decreases.  Importing most or all of the food supply is a truly horrible idea.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #191 on: July 09, 2013, 01:55:33 PM »
Per Bens billboard on Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) blvd, the entire nations food supply comes from the panhandle of Oklahoma. In other words, a dirt farmer in Oklahoma feeds 300 million people + you!
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #192 on: July 09, 2013, 01:55:59 PM »
But not at ridiculously higher prices than we pay today.

If their prices weren't higher, we would be importing from them today.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #193 on: July 09, 2013, 01:59:29 PM »
But not at ridiculously higher prices than we pay today.


It's basic supply and demand.  There's no way you could decrease the food supply by that much and expect prices to remain stable.  Also, when imports > exports, GDP decreases.  Importing most or all of the food supply is a truly horrible idea.

Listen fuckwad, I'm not saying it's a good idea.  It's just rough ridin' stupid to think that just because we don't make it ourselves it's going to cost more.  There is plenty of land ready to go to make up for what we don't produce.  It's happened a lot the last couple years with the drought.  Bottom line, our Big Macs aren't going to cost $8 if we stop growing wheat in the western third of Kansas.   

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #194 on: July 09, 2013, 02:01:25 PM »
But not at ridiculously higher prices than we pay today.


It's basic supply and demand.  There's no way you could decrease the food supply by that much and expect prices to remain stable.  Also, when imports > exports, GDP decreases.  Importing most or all of the food supply is a truly horrible idea.

With all of the subsidies on both sides and import tariffs, I'd say simple supply and demand is a misstatement.  Also, we are already one of the worlds largest importers of wheat.


My point all along is that less wheat was being grown due to a false increase in
 demand for irrigated corn caused by ethanol and resulting in a declining watershed for all crops in that region forever.
But you're too stupid to listen and were derailed by your petty anger and ignorance.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #195 on: July 09, 2013, 02:30:54 PM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

Michigancat, please explain how affirmative legislation like farm subsidies qualifies as an "unintended consequence"?  Seems awfully intended to me.

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I'm not sure what you're getting at here. I was helping you by adding to your list, because for the most part I agree with you on this topic. Although I don't think federal crop insurance was designed as an incentive to grow dryland corn where it has never grown well so the farmer can just collect insurance. Lots of farmers grow crops they really don't expect to produce because of crop insurance.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #196 on: July 09, 2013, 02:33:49 PM »
Does crop insurance cover much more than the cost of the inputs? 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #197 on: July 09, 2013, 02:35:06 PM »
Lots of farmers grow crops they really don't expect to produce because of crop insurance.

no they don't.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #198 on: July 09, 2013, 02:36:03 PM »
Does crop insurance cover much more than the cost of the inputs? 

It covers enough for people to plant dryland corn specifically to collect insurance.

Lots of farmers grow crops they really don't expect to produce because of crop insurance.

no they don't.

Yes they do.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #199 on: July 09, 2013, 02:36:16 PM »
Does crop insurance cover much more than the cost of the inputs?

I think it's based on your average yield over the past 5 years. I don't think planting dryland corn and planning on raking in crop insurance dollars is a very good business model.