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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #150 on: July 01, 2013, 06:12:09 PM »
You are delusional if you think there's no such thing as scientific consensus.  The models have been incredibly accurate, with some even underestimating the extent of the increase in surface temperature.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #151 on: July 01, 2013, 07:02:03 PM »
Lots of poor weather station siting, old instruments in many weather stations with a warm bias, loss of rural weather stations with bias towards urban heat islands.


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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #152 on: July 01, 2013, 10:08:28 PM »
If we've learned anything from this thread, its that OregonSmock has read the entire Twilight series, twice.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #153 on: July 02, 2013, 12:32:07 PM »
If we've learned anything from this thread, its that OregonSmock has read the entire Twilight series, twice.


wut 


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If anyone believes in fairy tales, it's the anti-science, praise Jesus crew. 

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #154 on: July 06, 2013, 02:27:08 PM »
If we've learned anything from this thread, its that OregonSmock has read the entire Twilight series, twice.


wut 


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If anyone believes in fairy tales, it's the anti-science, praise Jesus crew.

Says the anti-science, anti-capitalist, enviro-nazi and his praise Obama crew

Don't worry child, the consensus is that twilight is a great book, for your demographic.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #155 on: July 08, 2013, 09:42:28 AM »
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World War I brought a global demand for wheat, prompting many to settle unclaimed, marginal lands in the southern prairies. In a region where most counties generally got less than 20 inches of rain, salesmen assured buyers that the chancellor at the University of Kansas had promised the land was undergoing a permanent climate change that would increase precipitation. The act of plowing actually brought the rains, people were told. - See more at: http://agfax.com/2012/11/09/new-1930s-dust-bowl-documentary-how-did-the-catastrophe-happen/#sthash.sFFHZPBd.dpuf

Welp.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #156 on: July 08, 2013, 11:12:25 AM »
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World War I brought a global demand for wheat, prompting many to settle unclaimed, marginal lands in the southern prairies. In a region where most counties generally got less than 20 inches of rain, salesmen assured buyers that the chancellor at the University of Kansas had promised the land was undergoing a permanent climate change that would increase precipitation. The act of plowing actually brought the rains, people were told. - See more at: http://agfax.com/2012/11/09/new-1930s-dust-bowl-documentary-how-did-the-catastrophe-happen/#sthash.sFFHZPBd.dpuf

Welp.

This was the scientific consensus of the day, so you can't really blame them. They believed dust particles in clouds would bring more rain.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #157 on: July 08, 2013, 08:13:17 PM »
I liked it better when the solution to CO2 was "plant a tree" (insert wsc non sequiter),and not "drive all fossil fuels out of business with oppressive taxes while taking the bottom 80% income earners down with them."

I thought I heard the tree lines you see all over the Midwest were a result of planting to prevent future dust bowls, not sure if true.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #158 on: July 09, 2013, 08:43:42 AM »
I liked it better when the solution to CO2 was "plant a tree" (insert wsc non sequiter),and not "drive all fossil fuels out of business with oppressive taxes while taking the bottom 80% income earners down with them."

I thought I heard the tree lines you see all over the Midwest were a result of planting to prevent future dust bowls, not sure if true.

I think they are mostly wind blocks. The dust bowls will return when the Ogallala runs dry.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #159 on: July 09, 2013, 10:03:57 AM »
Tons of trees (windblocks) were planted as part of the New Deal.  Get people to work, prevent dust from blowing.  If/when the Ogallala runs dry I think the chance for a dust bowl returning is diminished because it won't be feasible to farm most of that land.  It'll (hopefully) return to native prairie.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #160 on: July 09, 2013, 10:08:22 AM »
Tons of trees (windblocks) were planted as part of the New Deal.  Get people to work, prevent dust from blowing.  If/when the Ogallala runs dry I think the chance for a dust bowl returning is diminished because it won't be feasible to farm most of that land.  It'll (hopefully) return to native prairie.

It would be a whole lot more feasible to dryland farm the plains today than it was in the 1930s.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #161 on: July 09, 2013, 10:09:08 AM »
Agree.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #162 on: July 09, 2013, 10:10:45 AM »
Also just did a bunch of reading on the Playa Lakes.  Holy crap, very interesting.  Also, if (big if) we just keep them in good shape the Ogallala is fine.  But we are probably totally mumped anyway.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #163 on: July 09, 2013, 10:15:56 AM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #164 on: July 09, 2013, 10:18:03 AM »
Plant wind farms and allow the taxpayers of that area to eat crap in electricity rates so the people living in an area that should have never been settled can continue living there in perpetuity.

Unintended consequences of the federal govts "investments" galore!  Free land to farm yields settlement. Ethanol green energy causes irrigated corn to grow in a place it can't grow, diminishing the only reliable water source.  Wind to prop it upon the end. Meanwhile, we all pay more for water, food and energy.  Yay federal govt

Actually, you are paying far less for food due to high plains farming, and what good would this reliable water source be if the land had never been settled in the first place as you suggest?

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #165 on: July 09, 2013, 10:42:37 AM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #166 on: July 09, 2013, 11:09:32 AM »
If we've learned anything from this thread, its that OregonSmock has read the entire Twilight series, twice.


wut 


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If anyone believes in fairy tales, it's the anti-science, praise Jesus crew.

Says the anti-science, anti-capitalist, enviro-nazi and his praise Obama crew

Don't worry child, the consensus is that twilight is a great book, for your demographic.



wut


This is the kind of post a mental midget makes when he can't discuss things reasonably like an adult.  So much pent up anger and aggression from our resident teabagger.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #167 on: July 09, 2013, 11:21:15 AM »
Don't forget kids, our own K-State Scientists have concluded that higher C02 Levels mean that plants, particularly food crops are able to fight through the challanges of dry conditions easier. 

Newsflash and pro-tip:  Global Warming, Global Cooling, Climate Change, what have you.   We're still going to have droughts.

Reminder:  Cold almost means certain death for the majority of the population.   Hot . . . much better chance of survival and adaptability.    Earth has been hotter before, and it's been much, much colder before.   Natural Variability . . . now the new chuch of "Climate Change".




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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #168 on: July 09, 2013, 11:30:14 AM »
Also just did a bunch of reading on the Playa Lakes.  Holy crap, very interesting.  Also, if (big if) we just keep them in good shape the Ogallala is fine.  But we are probably totally mumped anyway.

We're totally mumped in Kansas. 

http://hercules.kgs.ku.edu/geohydro/wizard/wizardregional.cfm

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #169 on: July 09, 2013, 12:51:42 PM »
If we've learned anything from this thread, its that OregonSmock has read the entire Twilight series, twice.


wut 


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If anyone believes in fairy tales, it's the anti-science, praise Jesus crew.

Says the anti-science, anti-capitalist, enviro-nazi and his praise Obama crew

Don't worry child, the consensus is that twilight is a great book, for your demographic.



wut


This is the kind of post a mental midget makes when he can't discuss things reasonably like an adult.  So much pent up anger and aggression from our resident teabagger.
Since my post was a parody of yours, I think you just called yourself a mental midget.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #170 on: July 09, 2013, 12:54:27 PM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

Michigancat, please explain how affirmative legislation like farm subsidies qualifies as an "unintended consequence"?  Seems awfully intended to me.

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #171 on: July 09, 2013, 12:55:56 PM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

Michigancat, please explain how affirmative legislation like farm subsidies qualifies as an "unintended consequence"?  Seems awfully intended to me.

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not 100% sure you have a strong grasp on what unintended consequence means here

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #172 on: July 09, 2013, 01:01:48 PM »
Don't forget the federally backed crop insurance programs, FSD.

Michigancat, please explain how affirmative legislation like farm subsidies qualifies as an "unintended consequence"?  Seems awfully intended to me.

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not 100% sure you have a strong grasp on what unintended consequence means here

Shut up, libtard.  You are clueless.
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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #173 on: July 09, 2013, 01:03:31 PM »
holy crap :lol:

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Re: If the models are all wrong
« Reply #174 on: July 09, 2013, 01:07:01 PM »
Also just did a bunch of reading on the Playa Lakes.  Holy crap, very interesting.  Also, if (big if) we just keep them in good shape the Ogallala is fine.  But we are probably totally mumped anyway.

We're totally mumped in Kansas. 

http://hercules.kgs.ku.edu/geohydro/wizard/wizardregional.cfm

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Can't see it.   :dunno:  Link to well water data?  I pull that up off water.weather.gov.