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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #4301 on: February 07, 2020, 01:08:19 PM »
we've got penguins in shorts and tank tops now which is chill AF

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« Reply #4302 on: February 07, 2020, 01:28:43 PM »
Well, not that fits the narrative that climate alarmists want to spew, but there's a bit of a controversy brewing in Australia about the fact that the chief Australian climate office has gone back and "corrected" the historical weather data.   In turn, this has made the past cooler and the present appear to be much warmer.

The Australian Bureau of Meteorology has "remodeled" the historical data collected by weather stations across Australia and then passed the "remodeled" data on to the Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research who thus conclude, based on the "remodeled" historical data, that it's much warmer now.

Of course the scientist who is studying all this remodeling and calling it out, is being attacked by the usual climate mob who offer nothing beyond the usual scoffing and derision. 






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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #4303 on: February 07, 2020, 01:55:00 PM »
I think we should be using the models they were using in the 1920s to model past climate, personally. It's just dishonest to update models with findings from research.

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« Reply #4304 on: February 07, 2020, 01:56:43 PM »
I think we should be using the models they were using in the 1920s to model past climate, personally. It's just dishonest to update models with findings from research.

That's an excellent point Rage.   However in this case, they're not "remodeling" models, they're "remodeling" the actual historical temp data from weather stations. 


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« Reply #4305 on: February 07, 2020, 03:12:03 PM »
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« Reply #4306 on: February 07, 2020, 03:19:56 PM »
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« Reply #4307 on: February 07, 2020, 03:42:40 PM »
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« Reply #4308 on: February 07, 2020, 07:40:04 PM »
we've got penguins in shorts and tank tops now which is chill AF

https://twitter.com/washingtonpost/status/1225822044127928321

The tourist scene is really gonna pick up with this being the coolest place in town now.
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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #4309 on: February 09, 2020, 12:39:55 AM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 


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« Reply #4310 on: February 09, 2020, 01:04:32 AM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

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« Reply #4311 on: February 09, 2020, 02:02:01 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.


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« Reply #4312 on: February 09, 2020, 02:16:44 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.

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« Reply #4313 on: February 09, 2020, 04:24:07 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.

 :lol: :lol: then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?

The science behind what's happening?  That's there's ice at the poles??




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« Reply #4314 on: February 09, 2020, 06:35:00 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.

 :lol: :lol: then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?

The science behind what's happening?  That's there's ice at the poles??

The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.

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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #4315 on: February 09, 2020, 06:40:01 PM »
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« Reply #4316 on: February 09, 2020, 08:11:15 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.

 :lol: :lol: then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?

The science behind what's happening?  That's there's ice at the poles??

The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.

Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running  at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began.   In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years.   


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« Reply #4317 on: February 09, 2020, 08:34:18 PM »
I think the issue comes down to what is the proper amount of sea ice that we need? The conclusion is we just don’t know that so there is no climate change and the Chinese are responsible.
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« Reply #4318 on: February 09, 2020, 08:37:41 PM »
I think the issue comes down to what is the proper amount of sea ice that we need? The conclusion is we just don’t know that so there is no climate change and the Chinese are responsible.


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« Reply #4319 on: February 10, 2020, 01:01:21 AM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.

 :lol: :lol: then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?

The science behind what's happening?  That's there's ice at the poles??

The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.

Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running  at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began.   In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years.   

lol wut

uhh...so as you can see, we are definitely at the peak of this nadir and, uh...we are decelerating more quickly even though our inertia, uh, seems to be holding us back from continuing on, and, ummm, uhhhhh

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« Reply #4320 on: February 10, 2020, 10:47:53 AM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

I wasn't pointing to single-day temp readings. But you did point to expanding sea ice as an argument against global warming. Only difference between me and you is I actually know the science behind why that's happening.

 :lol: :lol: then why do your alarmist idiot friends constantly talk about sea ice, sea ice extent, sea ice density and then try to scare the crap out of everybody while spending copious amounts of cash monitoring all of that stuff?

The science behind what's happening?  That's there's ice at the poles??

The science behind the apparent paradox that sea ice coverage around antarctica is actually increasing despite the fact that the southern ocean is actually warming faster (0.17 degrees/decade) than the average for all the oceans (0.1 degree/decade). Ozone depletion above the antarctic is leading to a cooling of the stratosphere, which leads to an increase in the strength of antarctic cyclones and the more drastic disruption of sea ice. This increased disruption leads to the increased formation of polynyas, which in turn increases the rate of ice formation. Also, increased precipitation (due to warmer air) keeps low salinity water at the surface (which is cold) from mixing, with the deeper, saltier water (which is warmer), so less warm water is getting pulled up to the surface and therefore less sea ice melts as a result.

Fantastic, but sea ice extent in the Antarctic as of right now is still running  at the lower portion of the range since accurate recording began.   In fact, as of right now, it's running at about a half million square kilometers below the peaks of this time year of the range as recorded over the last 10 to 20 years or so, albeit as of right now there is more ice in the Antarctic than there as been at this same time in the previous 4 years.   

lol wut

uhh...so as you can see, we are definitely at the peak of this nadir and, uh...we are decelerating more quickly even though our inertia, uh, seems to be holding us back from continuing on, and, ummm, uhhhhh

Tapout noted.   You know exactly what I said, you just don't like the fact that I bothered to look at the actual data.


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Re: The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread
« Reply #4321 on: February 10, 2020, 10:56:45 AM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

ironically this is what many pubs I know do to disprove global warming

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« Reply #4322 on: February 10, 2020, 11:06:03 AM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

ironically this is what many pubs I know do to disprove global warming

Single day records are "ironically" what many warmest alarmists use to "prove" global warming.   Case in point, one weather station (located mere feet from a steel railing and black asphalt highway) in France caused, dare I say, a total meltdown last summer.


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« Reply #4323 on: February 10, 2020, 12:17:55 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

ironically this is what many pubs I know do to disprove global warming

Single day records are "ironically" what many warmest alarmists use to "prove" global warming.   Case in point, one weather station (located mere feet from a steel railing and black asphalt highway) in France caused, dare I say, a total meltdown last summer.

I'm assuming you're referring to the heat wave that set record highs in multiple locations across France and caused hundreds of deaths from heat exhaustion?

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« Reply #4324 on: February 10, 2020, 12:31:07 PM »
As of 2/6 there's more ice extent and ice area in Antarctica than in the previous 4 years on 2/6 and the trend line is running about right in the middle of the last 10 recorded years.

But hey, the records are only about 10 years old and there's more people doing more recording in Antarctica with more technology in play than ever before in history.

 

If you think sea ice extent is the important factor that disproves global warming here, you are sorely mistaken.

If you think that pointing to temp readings on a single day are proof of global warming than you are sorely mistaken.

ironically this is what many pubs I know do to disprove global warming

Single day records are "ironically" what many warmest alarmists use to "prove" global warming.   Case in point, one weather station (located mere feet from a steel railing and black asphalt highway) in France caused, dare I say, a total meltdown last summer.

I'm assuming you're referring to the heat wave that set record highs in multiple locations across France and caused hundreds of deaths from heat exhaustion?

Sure, and once people start looking at the records they discovered it was not unprecedented (and it rarely is).