The Scott Pruitt "If the models are all wrong" thread

[star seed 7]

TY epa

[sonofdaxjones]

TY epa

Well, on the flipside, CO2 concentrations increased every year, for the past 8 years, so, not really a great job in that respect.

But on the flip side, as a % of our atmosphere, the change is barely noticeable for the past 50 years, so if we can get it down by way less than a percentage point, everything is going to be perfect (again) lib. 

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

About 95% or "greenhouse gas" in the atmosphere is.... water vapor. CO2 is a minute fraction of greenhouse gasses and a much much much more minute fraction of our atmosphere. The models that predict increasing temperatures due to rising CO2 rely on the theory that CO2 will have a multiplier effect on water vapor. This hasn't panned out, which is why so many models have so seriously missed the mark on predicting temperture increase.

With the warmers there's always another study they can deflect to, always something to quibble over, always a new "adjusted" data set, but the fact remains that the science is far from settled and nobody knows with anything close to certainty how much increasing CO2 will increase temperture, let alone whether that will be a net negative.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

They don't give a eff about science, they're more interested in clickbait headlines like "Meteorologists Destroy EPA Chief Lie About Carbon Dioxide"

[camKSU]

They don't give a eff about science, they're more interested in clickbait headlines like "Meteorologists Destroy EPA Chief Lie About Carbon Dioxide"

Keep grasping at those straws, fsd/Dax. It's a real wonder how any of these so called scientists were able to get those fancy "degrees" or "highly respected jobs" in their fields of study when we have experts like you all able to discern the real "truths" or "facts" just by reading infowars or listening to mark levin.

However, do us all a favor and try not to leave your bunkers too often in your remaining years, the ignorance you spew out actually has lasting consequences for the rest of us in society trying to leave this world better than we have found it.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Stop spewing ignorance and get truth facts, doodle-dork

[sys]

back when i was a snakeologist, all i had to do was tell people i studied snakes to have them tripping over themselves to tell me the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) crap they thought they knew about snakes.

[puniraptor]

Snakes can see carbon dioxide

[Emo EMAW]

Sys I almost got bit by a prairie rattlesnake one time.

[sonofdaxjones]

All cam does is gurgle forth the same bilge co-mingled with stuff that was covered 30 pages ago sprinkled with some Capt. Obvious headline bullet points.

Sad.

[Rage Against the McKee]

back when i was a snakeologist, all i had to do was tell people i studied snakes to have them tripping over themselves to tell me the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) crap they thought they knew about snakes.

Well, they actually lose all of their skin at once and just leave it lying on the ground. They don't even eat the skin.

[camKSU]

All cam does is gurgle forth the same bilge co-mingled with stuff that was covered 30 pages ago sprinkled with some Capt. Obvious headline bullet points.

Sad.

Sure, dax... Tap out noted.

Just keep grasping.

[camKSU]

Currently the regulatory philosophy of dax, fsd, ksuw, etc. is in charge of policy for the executive branch and here are the actual propositions in the real world:

President Trump’s first budget proposal includes a 31-percent cut to the Environmental Protection Agency...
slashes funding for industrial waste clean-up through the Superfund program. It also passes along deep cuts to research and development work, the EPA’s Enforcement and Compliance Office and state grant programs, and it eliminates funding for region-specific environmental work for areas like the Great Lakes and the Chesapeake Bay...eliminates more than 50 EPA programs... The EPA has absorbed a 20-percent cut since 2010, and some key Republican appropriators — even those who oppose the agency’s climate change work — have already raised concerns about the size and breadth of Trump’s proposal...

In all, the EPA was one of the federal departments hardest hit by Trump’s budget. But he takes aim at climate change and energy research in other parts of his government.

The proposal would eliminate several State Department climate programs, including funding for the Global Climate Change Initiative and American contributions to international climate change accounts...

The Interior Department, which sees a 12-percent cut in the budget, receives higher funding for energy development on public lands. Cuts to the agency focus on abandoned mine clean-up grants and land acquisition programs. 

Trump proposes trimming the National Aeronautics and Space Administration’s (NASA) Earth science budget by $102 million, ending missions that observe the Earth’s oceans and carbon dioxide levels.

The budget as a whole includes deep domestic spending cuts while increasing defense spending by $54 billion.


http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/324242-trump-proposes-deep-cuts-to-epa-federal-climate-funding

So let me get this straight...if the science truly isn't settled and requires more research, why oh why, would we cut all the funding to study it? Sure seems like the current administration doesn't really want the truth to be verified or confirmed.

Sad.

[star seed 7]

Yeah, that's pretty suspicious

[Rage Against the McKee]

The science is settled, cam.

[Emo EMAW]

If we can't get China/India and other third world polluters on board the all the science in the world is for not.  We'd be better off spending that money trying to influence them, or our consumption habits which would in turn influence them.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Do you really think we're cutting all the funding to study climate change?

[Tobias]

got bit

[camKSU]

The science is settled, cam.

No argument here!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/politics/wp/2017/03/15/dont-look-now-but-reality-is-winning-the-climate-debate/

[ednksu]

lol long

[sonofdaxjones]

4.07 million thousand megawatt hours of electricity used by the U.S. in FY 2015.   Less than 1 million generated from predominantly non green house gas emitting systems.   Greenies hate nukes, so there's that.  They also protest dams, so there's that.  So once you take those out your left with about 5-600k thousand megawatt hours of energy production from so called renewables.  Just a bit short of demand.

So good luck getting to your green energy utopia without fossil fuels and/or institute your economy killing draconian measures and/or your long desired depopulation plan (you first BTW). 

Also, still waiting on what PPM of CO2 in the atmosphere is going to make everything "perfect" again??




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[star seed 7]

Weird post

[sonofdaxjones]

Weird post

Nope.


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[Emo EMAW]

Million thousand mega

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

31% isn't nearly enough. Get rid of the libtard SS.